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Re: Roden Fokker D.VI 1:32
« Reply #75 on: January 29, 2021, 06:40:18 PM »
Thanks all for the comments. I appreciate it.

The decals are in, within a week. Ik think that's fast from the UK. Thanks for Peter.
Aviattic decals are different than the decals I'm used to. These decals are quite strong en real elastic.

The ordered decals are transparent and therefore needed a white background. So out with the black and wite paint went on. Nothing excited so no pics of that.

When the paint was fully dry I started decalling. I need to learn how to use these decals because they react different then other decals. I need to decal big surfaces, especially the wings. It didn't go well the first time so off with the wrong decals and try again. Luckily I ordered some more decals then I needed. I kept the decals a little bigger than the surface and when fully dry i cut the excess whith a new scalpel. It isn't my best work but I leave it as it is, I can't get it better at the moment.

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As you can see the decals lay down really well. I didn't need any SOL for that. You can also see the things that didn't go as I wanted. I couldn't get the wingtips laying down so I cutted these of and used small pieces. This was better, using smaller pieces.

And a pic as it is now.



Can I ask how you guys use the Aviattic decals? Large pieces or just small pieces?

Thanks for watching.

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Re: Roden Fokker D.VI 1:32
« Reply #76 on: January 29, 2021, 08:07:53 PM »
I have not done many models with lozenge fabric, but at least one Fokker D.VII in 1/48.
I used the Aviattic, with has some cloth width as in real on it:


The Fokker D.VII Anthology has some exact sketches, how this cloth stripes was applied. For example they avoid a joint on the ribs for robustness.
So I had to cut a small piece on each side (for the "unvisible" joint and added them stripe by stripe:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=10098.msg186087#msg186087

I was really surprised, how much the drawings matches the Aviattic lozenge pattern and the Eduard wings!

Cheers,
Frank

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Re: Roden Fokker D.VI 1:32
« Reply #77 on: January 29, 2021, 09:08:00 PM »


Can I ask how you guys use the Aviattic decals? Large pieces or just small pieces?

Thanks for watching.

Hi Fvdm,
'Aviattic' decals, as you've found, are different to standard silk or inkjet printed decals.
They are tougher and can be stretched a little to align edges and joints.
I've found that the usual decal setting solutions are not needed and in fact have little effect on the decals, I think due to the nature of the carrier film used.
The main thing is to apply the decals onto a sooth and gloss surface.
The slightest surface imperfections, like hair, dust, scratches etc, will show through the decal.
The decals are either 'white' or clear'. The 'white' are created on a white background so the base colour on the model doesn't show through.
The 'clear' are translucent, so the base colour will show through. Therefore different base colours can be applied along with pre-shading before the 'clear' decals are applied.

I've found that larger areas are best covered with cut segments of the decal, otherwise you can end up with creases or 'fold over' of the decal.
When positioning one decal against another, make sure the edges are aligned exactly with no overlap.
Otherwise either the model base colour will show or the decal overlap will be darker (double thickness of the decal).

As for areas that are difficult to get the decal to conform, such as edges with tight curves, I use 'Tamiya' X20A thinners, applied sparingly by brush.
This effectively melts the decal and shrinks it onto the model edge.
Apply carefully as too much or continual brushing will damage the decal.
Where air is trapped under raised detail (as seen in your 4th photo - strut locations) and 5th photo (holes), prick through the decal and apply X20A.
The decal will shrink back and with holes, conform into the hole.
When applying light and dark decal, such as on a wing with upper surface darker decal than the undersides, apply the lighter colour decal first.
In that way any overlap of the decals will not be so obvious.
At scalloped edges, such as wing trailing edges, wait until the decal has dried then use a fine sander to remove any overhanging decal.
You can seal the sanded edges with X20A if any decal has detached.

Mike
« Last Edit: January 29, 2021, 09:12:05 PM by Mike 'Sandbagger' Norris »


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Re: Roden Fokker D.VI 1:32
« Reply #78 on: January 29, 2021, 11:32:24 PM »
Mike has given you some good advice. Having done a few Albatros and Fokker DVII wings I like to use perhaps three or four pieces . I find the seam and cut the decals to line up the pattern on each side. Your DVI actually looks good considering it is your first effort!
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Re: Roden Fokker D.VI 1:32
« Reply #79 on: January 30, 2021, 03:59:35 AM »
Some great progress and info here! Watching carefully... ATB, Marc

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Re: Roden Fokker D.VI 1:32
« Reply #80 on: January 31, 2021, 02:01:45 AM »
A hairdryer is a great tool when using Aviattic decals (just be careful not to melt the plastic).
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Re: Roden Fokker D.VI 1:32
« Reply #81 on: January 31, 2021, 06:09:46 AM »
A hairdryer is a great tool when using Aviattic decals (just be careful not to melt the plastic).
Andreas

Yep, The hair dryer works wonders!
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Re: Roden Fokker D.VI 1:32
« Reply #82 on: February 02, 2021, 05:38:19 AM »
Thanks for al the tips, I wil try them the next time because now I have used 1,5 sheet of Aviattic linnen for top surfaces and I think that's enough.

Ok, the Aviattic declas are on and I sprayed two clear coats because the sides of the fuselage needs two black area's. Normally I detack the tape very wel and so I did this again. One piece of tape was not good so geuss what happened when I carefully pulled this of?  >:( >:(



I picked up the fuselage (carefully) and placed it on the shelf ( carefully). After I was a bit more relaxed I toke the fuse again and pulled of the remaining decals. First I wil spray a new clear coat and when that's dry I will decal again. Then another clear coat and after that the black. I'm not very happy at the moment but I will get this done!!

New decals are ordered and geuss what? I will get a hole kit matching the decals  :D


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Re: Roden Fokker D.VI 1:32
« Reply #83 on: February 02, 2021, 08:51:36 AM »
Well I am sure of one thing. When you finish this one it will be one of your favorites because of all of the hardships you have overcome! Keep that determination to finish!!
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Re: Roden Fokker D.VI 1:32
« Reply #84 on: February 02, 2021, 12:22:39 PM »
Well I am sure of one thing. When you finish this one it will be one of your favorites because of all of the hardships you have overcome! Keep that determination to finish!!
RAGIII

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Re: Roden Fokker D.VI 1:32
« Reply #85 on: February 02, 2021, 10:00:38 PM »
Third this  :)

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Re: Roden Fokker D.VI 1:32
« Reply #86 on: February 06, 2021, 08:14:06 PM »
Thats a great progress on the fuselage, mishaps are always obligatory. I think. I am sure you willovercome these.
Andreas
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Re: Roden Fokker D.VI 1:32
« Reply #87 on: February 16, 2021, 09:59:58 PM »
This is looking great! I understand your frustration. One thing I have found in using Aviattic decals is to gloss coat at least twice and wait until it is completely dry before doing any masking. I don't know how many times I have stripped them off to start over. Use the least tacky tape you can find. I have an old box of Parafilm M that works the best for me. It clings to surface instead of sticking to it. It was originally used to seal test tubes so you can find it in scientific stores. It is okay for making really simple stencils.

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Re: Roden Fokker D.VI 1:32
« Reply #88 on: February 17, 2021, 04:56:46 AM »
I can feel your pain and frustration.  So close but yet so far.  With new decals coming you will get re-motivated to finish this bad boy up.  It's looking good as it is so you are on the right path.
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Re: Roden Fokker D.VI 1:32
« Reply #89 on: February 17, 2021, 05:50:43 AM »
I have been catching up with this - somehow I have missed a lot - and I too understand your frustration. The error with the fuselage transfer would be enough to make me want to give up, but having got this far and to this tremandous standard, you really must continue to finish it. In addition this is one of the less well known types - another excellent reason for keeping going!

Stephen.