Author Topic: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wrapping twinned wires  (Read 21619 times)

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wings on
« Reply #90 on: January 12, 2014, 11:58:42 AM »


Superb work on this one Dal! I think the rigging looks terrific.

Mark

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wings on
« Reply #91 on: January 12, 2014, 12:10:16 PM »
Now that is a BRILLIANT Idea for the filled struts! In 1/48th scale I had heard of modelers running the lines through the same hole separated by cardboard or similar(very thin), and then running whote glue along the lines. I didn't think this would work in 1/32nd so Left just the wires. Congrats on your solution!!
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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wings on
« Reply #92 on: January 12, 2014, 12:21:12 PM »
Mark, thanks for the kind words.  There's a lot of touch-ups to do, but it seems to be coming along.

Rags, I took a lot of inspiration from your build, mate, so you deserve some of the credit for me staying with this one.  I had a look at the models on the folder you set up, too- it really is a nice-looking aircraft and the models that have been put up do it justice.

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Now that is a BRILLIANT Idea for the filled struts!

We'll see if it works, first.  I've hoping the glue will soften the styrene enough to allow the mono to embed.  If not then I may try a PVA, as suggested.  If that doesn't work then I'll leave the slats off as well- I don't want to have to re-rig it because I mucked about too much.

Cheers, mate.

Dal.

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wings on
« Reply #93 on: January 12, 2014, 05:33:57 PM »
What a treasure trove of ideas this is proving to be, and all alongside beautiful work on your Nieuport, Dal. Thank you

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wings on
« Reply #94 on: January 12, 2014, 07:23:11 PM »
Great idea for the rigging Dal. This one is going to be a beauty for the gallery. The finish is magnificent. Thank you so much my friend for your kind offer of the engine cowling decals. I hope I will not need them, but it is reassuring I might have a second chance. It's very much appreciated!

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wings on
« Reply #95 on: January 13, 2014, 12:04:27 AM »
Hey just catching up, lots of great things brewing here Dal, nice work.

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wings on
« Reply #96 on: January 13, 2014, 12:20:41 AM »
Dal,
   Thanks for the link for the Decals, the other place (Thanks Patrick, it was a start!) was sold out. I'll be ordering a set today, probably the Roosevelt one so if Patrick makes it through the nose cowling stage OK I'll take second "dibs" on your blue stripes as a backup as well if I may! :P She's looking really nice and the extra effort on the rigging, both turnbuckles and slats, shows magnificently. Nice Build!
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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wings on
« Reply #97 on: January 14, 2014, 12:20:19 PM »
Magic stuff Dal

Ripper  8)

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wings on
« Reply #98 on: January 16, 2014, 09:54:30 PM »
G'day from hot (31°C at 1800hrs) and sweaty Oz.

Thanks for the kind words, mates.  This last little bit has been very "interesting", all because of my own particular mistakes.

Lance,
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OK I'll take second "dibs" on your blue stripes as a backup as well if I may!

No wukkers, mate.  I'm hoping that neither you nor Patrick need them, but if you do then they're good to go.  That goes for the aircraft numbers and the "Angry Ass" markings, if they're needed.  There's also a lot of "6177" serial numbers left over from the stencils, as well, as Rickenbacker's machine was "6159" (which I had to make).

As for the experiments with adding the slats:

1.  Tamiya Extra Thin doesn't seem to effect 0.125mm monofilament (ie "Invisible Thread), so

2.  1mm X 0.25mm strip styrene softens and "grips" mono, if you lay it along the rigging lines.  BUT..

3.  You only get the one chance and if it slips, you either ignore it (see below) or re-do that run. 

4.  A little bit of spit placed in the centre of the slay makes it much, much easier to position the slat on the rigging.



I tried a couple of things (besides stripping and re-rigging the port wing once) before deciding that I can live with the slats the way they are.  It doesn't look all that bad (if I squint and stand across the room) and any further fiddling will only lead to something getting damaged (walls, my forehead, the model, the workbench, etc).  So some touch up painting, some steel paint on the rigging runs and turnbuckles, a bit of weathering (especially to the engine) and I'll call this finished.



Some lessons I learned, that may come in handy for anyone with a Salmson or Nieuport 28:

1.  Yes, it is possible to drill two 0.15mm holes on each end of a 55mm run of 1mm X 0.25mm strip styrene.  It takes about 10 minutes per slat and you will break ~3 X carbide micro-drill bits in the process of doing four slats.  You will also spend the rest of the night sitting in a chair with a vacant expression, shivering and drooling (according to She Is Obeyed).  Thus making this a modelling skill of somewhat dubious value. 

2.  It is possible to insert a length of 0.125mm mono into each hole- UNLESS you have superglue on the mono, when it won't fit.  It doesn't matter how thin the glue is, either, though the really thin stuff does manage to get further under a finger-nail than the thicker stuff.  As a bonus, some of the glue will come off the mono and block the drilled hole.  No, you cannot clean the hole out, you must drill a new hole.

3.  Once the mono is in the slat and apparently solidly glued in place (ie pushed into hole and glue added, then left to dry over night), the slightest tension on the mono (as when pulling it tight as part of a rigging run) means the mono departs company with the slat.

4. Testing the lesson described in para 3 more then three times, in the belief that the glue must eventually bond the mono to the styrene, is strongly NOT Recommended.

I'm going to have a break and sit in a corner for a while, before starting the tripe-hound.  Despite the recent fun with the rigging, this has been an enjoyable build.  The problems were self-inflicted, in the main, and I'm now quite confident about rigging these four-winged monsters, with all the practice I've had.

Dal.

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wings on
« Reply #99 on: January 16, 2014, 10:18:30 PM »
The double lines look mighty fine, Dal. It was all worth the efforts!
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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wings on
« Reply #100 on: January 16, 2014, 10:41:23 PM »
I agree, the slats look great, totally worth the effort, and some great ideas you've given the teeming millions to run with...

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wings on
« Reply #101 on: January 16, 2014, 11:05:28 PM »
Thanks for sharing the lessons with us Dal. Isn't this sort of sharing one of the great features of the forum?

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wings on
« Reply #102 on: January 16, 2014, 11:11:43 PM »
Looks mighty fine Dal, the slats worked out well in the end. Also, Thanks for confirming that I'm not the only one here that spends time sitting in a corner with a vacant stare and drooling/talking to myself etc!! (thought there might be something wrong but I guess I'm OK?!) ;)
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Lance

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wings on
« Reply #103 on: January 16, 2014, 11:41:43 PM »
Hello Dal:

It really turned out great!  I am not sure what it is you did, but the result is very nice.  Overall an outstanding build.

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Mark
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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wings on
« Reply #104 on: January 17, 2014, 12:23:50 AM »
Splendid Dal, it really looks nice and you are so inventive. She is a stunner. Thank you again for your kind offer!

Kind regards
Patrick