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Offline Ernie

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- decals & rigging
« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2013, 09:58:51 AM »
Super job with the adjustments, Dal.  The build is gorgeous, and I'm looking
forward to the next update.

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- decals & rigging
« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2013, 11:02:47 AM »
Dal,
First lets get this straight! No better or worse, just meeting opportunities in different ways! You are adjusting your fit issues in a way I would not think of, WELL DONE!
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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- stalled for the mo'
« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2013, 10:27:01 PM »
G'day.

Gents, no matter what I've tried, the front interplane struts were too short.  It appears you were right, Rick, and gluing on the carbane struts and rigging them put out the geometry of the wings- before removal the upper wing had it's very own positive angle of attack, which is what made the interplane struts "too short".  So I've stripped the rigging and removed the carbanes.  It's not all bad news, now it will be easier to fit the windscreen I'd forgotten to install.

My new plan is to fit the interplane struts to the lower wing and then work out a way to attach the carbanes so that everything is square and fits.  How I'm going to do that is something I'm still considering.  "Up the guts with bags of smoke" got me into this mess.  A bit of "patience" (I looked up that word in the dictionary) and thought will hopefully get me out.

No photo's at this time- some idiot forgot to charge the batteries. :-[

Dal.


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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- stalled for the mo'
« Reply #63 on: October 14, 2013, 12:47:37 AM »
G'day.

Gents, no matter what I've tried, the front interplane struts were too short.  It appears you were right, Rick, and gluing on the carbane struts and rigging them put out the geometry of the wings- before removal the upper wing had it's very own positive angle of attack, which is what made the interplane struts "too short".  So I've stripped the rigging and removed the carbanes.  It's not all bad news, now it will be easier to fit the windscreen I'd forgotten to install.

My new plan is to fit the interplane struts to the lower wing and then work out a way to attach the carbanes so that everything is square and fits.  How I'm going to do that is something I'm still considering.  "Up the guts with bags of smoke" got me into this mess.  A bit of "patience" (I looked up that word in the dictionary) and thought will hopefully get me out.

No photo's at this time- some idiot forgot to charge the batteries. :-[

Dal.

Dal,
Sorry to hear that you had to dis assemble! That being said just a note on how I mounted the wing:
1. I did glue the Cabanes first. I lined them up as true as possible, ran the rigging lines through the struts ( not secured where the passed through the cabanes).
2. When dry I turned the whole thing upside down, and glued the upper wing to the cabanes.
3. Right side up again I inserted thee front Interplane struts. I applied gentle pressure to bring them up ro the wing. As I recall it was a fairly tight fit. I then inserted the rear Inteerplane struts.
4. The wing was slightly out of adjustment front to back so I applied some liquid cement to the cabanes and nudged them into alignment.
5. Gentle pressure and Superglue secured the whole deal.
6. I then began securing rigging lines through the pre- drilled holes with Superglue.
I hope this helps. I know you will persevere!
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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- stalled for the mo'
« Reply #64 on: October 14, 2013, 01:40:42 AM »
Dal,
     You are a patient man; removing the rigging and struts for a second try is something I'd find difficult to keep my sense of humour over! Stay the course, it's a beautiful Build and one worth the extra effort. Mines arrived and I'll certainly be referring to this thread when I get at it. I was tempted to start it next, decided to wait until I get some A/M Decals, but now will wait, lurking patiently until you solve all the hard obstacles!
    Good luck on the re-try, I'll be watching with bated breath! ;)
Cheers,
Lance

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- stalled for the mo'
« Reply #65 on: October 14, 2013, 11:56:43 AM »
Dal, if you have to go back to square one on the rigging and do it again, it's worth it.
 The Nieuport is beautiful and despite the warts, you will win the war.  I'm sorry
I can't offer much other than my encouragement.  Hopefully, Rick and Lance have
given you the good advice to help you over the hump.  Good luck, my friend.

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Ernie :)


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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- stalled for the mo'
« Reply #66 on: October 14, 2013, 12:10:20 PM »
Sorry to hear that you had to strip the rigging and start again, what a bummer. I'm sure that you will resolve the issue with the struts and have this model looking brilliant again in no time.

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- stalled for the mo'
« Reply #67 on: October 14, 2013, 02:22:54 PM »
Dal, I'm really sorry that she gave you so much grief, but I'm certain you'll prevail.  You're a hell of a modeler, mate.
Cheers,
Bud
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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- stalled for the mo'
« Reply #68 on: October 15, 2013, 12:35:11 PM »
G'day, Gents.

Thanks for your encouragement and support, it's saved this kit being from being put back in the box and put away.  However, I can't blame the kit at all, there's something I've misaligned that's caused the problem.  I'm not overly disappointed with what's happened, either, as everything I learn now will be used on the next kit (WNW Tripe) that I abuse (memory permitting, of course).  Here's the beastie as it now sits:



As you'll see below, there's one area where I was careless with the glue.  I've started smoothing this out, as I think the "fit and sit" tolerances on this part of the build are fairly tight.



There's one part that worries me- I don't mind starting the rigging again.  I actually enjoy that bit of the build (and it's the part that kept me from biplanes for a long, long time).  Which means I'm probably hopelessly addicted to #$!!&@ WWI aircraft, now.

It's all the fault of you lot and your brilliant models!  ;D

Rick, thanks for the tips.  I'm going to touch up the paint work, attach the windscreen (my heart nearly stopped when I couldn't find it yesterday, but it was safely stored in the decal bag- exactly where I had put it....), clean out the rigging holes in the fuselage and finish painting the coaming.  Then I'll look at how to sort the wing out.  I'm also wondering whether pinning the carbanes hindered more than helped, by putting them slightly out of alignment.  I had to cut the pins to get them off, so I'll sand the nubs off and trust to glue, now. 

Cheers.

Dal.

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- stalled for the mo'
« Reply #69 on: October 15, 2013, 04:47:11 PM »
It's going to nice Dal  ;)

The rigging is very well done.

At the end of every kit I've ever made - I've sat back and thought how I could have done something better/differently - I think that's what keeps us all hooked. The next model is going to be "the one"!

Looking forward to seeing her finished..

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- stalled for the mo'
« Reply #70 on: October 15, 2013, 10:25:56 PM »
I'm glad you are carrying on bravely, Dal.  Keep telling yourself you're bigger than
it. ;) I guess it's just one step at a time, there is no I in team...oops, wrong cliché. ;D
I can't see how you are concerned about the glue spot...mine's starting to look like a
Dalmatian!  Kidding aside, my friend, I have no doubts with your talent, you will come
up with a superb model.

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- stalled for the mo'
« Reply #71 on: October 16, 2013, 01:41:57 AM »
Hello, Dal -

Been away from the forum for a few days so just catching up.  Really sorry to hear you were having problems with the stuts and upper wing fitting.

I'm trying to remember how I attached my one.  I'm sure it would be my usual method of attaching cabane struts first (in right order to get the correct 'slant' to the upper wing) let them and attached upper wing to these.   I then (carefully) inserted each interplane strut one at a time with the upper wing in place. 

I've no doubt you will get it all together anyhow.

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- stalled for the mo'
« Reply #72 on: December 19, 2013, 11:23:23 PM »


The Roden Vickers guns are pretty bland, with soft detail.  I decided to use the spare Vickers from my WNW Tripe for this build.  Apparently a lot of the USAAS Nie.28's only had one gun mounted, preferring better performance over extra firepower.   If anyone knows whether Rickenbacker or Huffer used one gun rather than two on his N.28, please let me know, as it's one of those schemes that I want to do (I like the contrast of the white cowls with the cam'd airframe).

Cheers.

Dal.

Hello Dal,

I know it is much to late for you but anyway I give it for what it's worth.
I am busy reading the journal of Eddy Rickenbacker "Fighting the Flying Circus" and there is a paragraph where he says :
"I had kicked my tail around and was heading towards my opponent. He swooped down, reserving his fire, while I kept my fingers on the triggers of my guns" So I suppose he had 2 guns.

Kind regards
Patrick

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- stalled for the mo'
« Reply #73 on: December 20, 2013, 12:55:34 AM »
Dal,
I am glad you have come back to this one! I feel confident that you will get it sorted out! I am looking forward to that Show us your Nieuport 28 thread  ;)
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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- stalled for the mo'
« Reply #74 on: December 27, 2013, 04:46:54 AM »
Hello Dal:

Glad to see you back on task with the Nie 28.  With dogged determination you can get past the hurdles and proceed to completion.  It is a neat model and a significant aircraft during the great war. 

Best

Mark
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