Author Topic: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wrapping twinned wires  (Read 21596 times)

Offline Dal Gavan

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1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wrapping twinned wires
« on: May 15, 2013, 02:58:25 PM »
G'day.

I started this kit when my club, ACT Scale Modelling Society, had a build table set up at the Canberra show, last February.  I'd be tinkering with it while working on my now-defunct WNW J.1.  After that went Tango Uniform, I decided to work on the Nie.28 in preference to having an expensive bonfire!

So far this build's been everything the J.1 wasn't.  The parts fit is not as good as the J.1 and the detail is nowhere near as good, either, but this kit hasn't been fighting me every step of the way.  Currently the cockpit is assembled, minus the seat which is still drying.  The fuselage has been put together and the lower wing and elevator assembly has been attached.  Mush fitting, filling and sanding was involved,m but it's coming together.  I've also finished off the basic engine, including replacing the single spark plugs with Taurus twins on the three cylinders that are visible through the cowl slots.  I'm still tossing up whether to weather the engine (and airframe, once completed) or do the kit as pristine.


Here's where I was at after the day at the show.  The fuselage halves joined and the engine assembled and base painted.  The seat has been carved up, ready for my attempt to replicate the "Peach basket" style of construction.


It didn't turn out too badly in the end.  I used 1mm X 0.25mm Evergreen strip for the basket slats, once I'd sanded the chair down to about half its thickness.  I've now painted the seat and I'm waiting for the oils to dry.  The slats look a little bit too brown, so I may touch them up with a mix of Naples Yellow and Chrome Yellow, if they done lighten when they've dried.
 

The Roden Vickers guns are pretty bland, with soft detail.  I decided to use the spare Vickers from my WNW Tripe for this build.  Apparently a lot of the USAAS Nie.28's only had one gun mounted, preferring better performance over extra firepower.   If anyone knows whether Rickenbacker or Huffer used one gun rather than two on his N.28, please let me know, as it's one of those schemes that I want to do (I like the contrast of the white cowls with the cam'd airframe).


Roden doesn't give you the nice, positive locating pins that WNW does.  Once I'd got the cockpit pieces painted and the initial rigging done, I looked at a way to make the structure more robust.  A few tips from Dave (Epeeman) and reading different reviews convinced me that pinning the structure was the way to go.  So I drilled out the ends of the formers and glued in some 0.25mm wire.  These would serve as pins for the 0.3mm holes I drilled in the floor frame and rear frame.



These two shots show the cockpit assembled and awaiting touch-up painting.  After tracking down some photo's of an Nie.28 being refurbished, I felt comfortable about how the cockpit was rigged.  I added the last of my BvB eyelets and used invisible thread for the wire and MFH microtube (0.4mm OD, 0.2mm ID) to simulate turnbuckles/swaging clips.  This time I used the Clear Brown rather than the (opaque) Cream.  The brown seems to have slightly thinner walls and is more flexible, but grabs the thread very well, making it very easy to get the tension right.  There's a few loose bits of thread that you can see.  The rudder cables will pass through holes drilled into the sea, then get glued to the rear bulkhead.  The front tension wires will get glued to the fuselage interior, once I fit the cockpit.

I also replaced the fuel bubble (what is the correct terminology?).  A couple of attempts to paint the kit part, so it looked like a glass bowl, hadn't worked.  So I stretched some clear sprue over a candle, until it was the thickness I wanted, and carved the moulded bubble off the kit.  I sanded one end of the sprue, to round it off, and drilled a hole, which extended about 1/4 of the way into the clear sprue, at the other.  I then used a very fine brush to smear a mix of clear yellow and clear red paint in the hole, before gluing the new bubble in place.  While not perfect, it's a lot better than the silver or polished aluminium I'd been experimenting with.  I'll use the same technique on my tripe- I've already carved the kit bubble off the instrument panel and put some clear sprue in the box.

Once I've finished sanding the joins on the fuselage assembly, it will be time to get some pain on the airframe and top wing.  I'll do the painting before I add the cockpit, engine and cowl, as it will be easier to mask.  Then it's drill holes for the rigging and the pins I'll add for the struts and undercarriage.

Cheers.

Dal. 

« Last Edit: January 26, 2014, 10:17:15 AM by Dal Gavan »

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2013, 08:15:15 PM »
i think shes coming on quite well. i like what you did with the seat. this was one thing i wondered about how i would do it when i ever start my 28. i thought of making the slats on the flat table then forming them into the arc and trimming but this way is much smarter.good one my friend. i dont know if either pilots had one vickers( i understand not wanting to use the roden guns) i will have to inventory my wnw vickers and see if i can spareone for you mate.

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2013, 12:18:30 AM »
Hello Dal:

You are making good progress here.  One issue I had with the kit was, I did the same thing you did, and when I put the interior in through the front, the wing hump hindered any further movement.  Be careful when doing that and be aware of that hump. 
I have a picture of Capt. Eddie in the cockpit of his 28 and there are two guns present in the photo.  I can't speak to the to the other one.  Who knows, he may have had one and went for two or had two and decided one would do.  After all it is a model and it is your model.
I am going to tackle another one of these at some point, it is one of my favorites.

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2013, 12:51:17 AM »
   Dal,
Very impressive progress my old friend. I can really appreciate the work that went into your seat which is excellent by the way.As for one or two Vickers MG's .Rickenbacker's 28 was equipped with twin MG's as for Huff's kite I can find nothing. I believe that whether or not the 28's were equipped with a single or twin Vickers depends on the time it was in service. The earliest 28's in service were equipped with a single MG due to shortages of the guns. Later most would have carried the twin mountings in my opinion. I can't see how a single mount would have preferred as it meant less firepower on the target,but then again I wasn't there either.

Keep up the outstanding progress. I'm very much looking forward to following this project.The Nieuport 28 is one of my all time favorites.
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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2013, 07:49:16 AM »
G'day, Gents.

Many thanks for your comments.  It looks like two guns are the go.  Now to decide- do I want "Captain Rick's" all white cowl and war bond posters or Major Huffer's red, blue and white cowl? 

Scott, I was surprised at how easily the seat came together once I'd started using the strips.  The hardest part is trying to get the colour of the slats right.  As for the guns, I've got another spare I can use but wasn't able to find a good photo online, to know whether I needed one or two.  I'll get it painted up and ready for the build.

Mark, that wing hump does get in the way, doesn't it?  I noted that when I read a couple of reviews, so I've sanded it down a bit and also sanded down the read bulkhead, to make sure it fits into the fuselage properly.  I test fitted it and, while it requires a little bit of jiggling, it slots in.  Getting it out was a little more difficult and it nearly ended up staying there, but it will be easier to fit the seat with it out of the airframe.

Gregory, I'll go with two, to match the photo's.  I knew about the shortage of guns and wasn't sure if that, and improved performance when only fitting one, meant that one gun was more likely. 

Cheers.

Dal.

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2013, 07:54:25 AM »
Coming along beautifully, Dal.  I like your approach to the seat construction.  I'm glad this one's not giving you the grief the J.1 did.
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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2013, 08:03:59 AM »
Got this one on the bench and having problems with the struts.  Watching to see how you "pin" these small parts.  Great to see you tackle this beautiful bird.  Thanks for sharing your skills.

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2013, 08:10:54 AM »
Great progress so far Dal, the seat is excellent, looking forward to seeing more of this beauty.

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2013, 09:13:01 AM »
Bud, that J.1 build was cursed, for some reason.  I think that everything went wrong with that build that could once I got past painting the interior bits.  The Nie.28 has been a great confidence restorer.

Rick, I'll be using some 0.25mm copper wire and a .3mm drill to do the holes in the struts.  0.3mm leaves enough room to easily get the wire fitted and held in place with some CA glue.  I'll drill the struts and glue the wire in before I drill the wings- I'll use the end of the wire to scratch the paint and mark the hole for drilling.  That size wire is strong enough to do the job and a 0.3mm drill is still fine enough to to do the job.  I'll be using a new, sharp bit and taking it very slowly, however.  I'll also sand a flat spot on the wing strut "pimples" to make it a bit easier.  The technique really worked well for the cockpit module, so I'm hoping it will work here, too.
 
Des, if this one starts to fall off the table then I won't be trying to catch it.  I'm going to build a workbench when we've finished Michelle's pantry and having a solid, stable work space again is going to make a big difference.

Cheers.

Dal.

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2013, 09:56:11 AM »
Great start!!

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2013, 10:51:32 AM »
Dal, Your work so far is very impressive! I love how your interior is looking. The seat is great! This one could be my next build, if that evil Snipe doesn't tempt me first, so I will be watching with even greater interest  :P
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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2013, 01:32:56 PM »
the interior bits look wonderful; this is such a pretty plane too

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2013, 01:09:07 PM »
Thanks for the kind words, gents.

Rags, last night I pulled the seat apart.  I found some good photo's online that showed the slats were sandwiched by the seat frame.  I'm not going to try that, but I will fit the slats outside the seat frame.  The way the seat sits in the cockpit, it will look closer to the original if done that way.  Besides, it gives me something to do until I can get up to the farm and spray the airframe.

Snipe or Nie.28?  Got a coin, mate?  :D

Bo, it is a good looking aircraft.  The white cowlings and camouflage airframe should really stand out.

Cheers.

Dal.

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2013, 09:16:23 AM »
Hello Dal:

Love the work on the seat.  The sad thing about this airplane is.........the cockpit opening is so small, all that work vanishes.  However, the seat is  the prominent piece that captures the attention of the onlooker.  Your approach and end result is outstanding.  I am looking forward to seeing your progress.  I did it in Quentin Roosevelt's schemeabout 4 years ago or so:  One of my early efforts and I like the story of Quentin.  Are you using the Kit decals or an aftermarket variety?  The SuperScale sheets have a lot of nice stenciling that the kit decals lack.

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Re: 1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2013, 10:22:58 PM »
G'day, Mark.

I'll be using the kit decals and doing Rickenbacker's 'plane, mate.  Mainly because I like the contrast between the five-colour cam' job and the white cowling and undercart.

I had a break of a week or so, while I was distracted by other things, and then started looking at the seat.  I'm redoing the seat, because it is so prominent, as you wrote.  The first time I did it I glued the slats into the inside of the seat and, as you can see below, it looked very untidy when I test fitted the cockpit into the airframe.  I've nearly finished re-doing the seat, with the slats attached to the rear and sanded down, and it should look a lot better.


I've also painted the struts and prop, fitted the lower wing and tail, and sanded all the seams.  I'll get some photo's of the struts, etc, when the oils have dried.   The struts came out quite well, I think.  Then it's a matter of getting up to the farm and spraying some paint on.

As for the distractions...  I've started on the Tripe by doing some work on the engine.  I plead receiving the Tripe decals from Pheon for the diversion- I want to get Bob Little's "Blymp" done, though Stan Dallas' N500 in overall CDL is also appealing! 

I also got talked into a game of Wings of Glory, a WWI miniatures wargame.  It's a lot of fun and I ended up buying a Duel Pack with MvR's Dr.1 and Brown's Camel.  Of course I repainted them, so I can tell they're mine.  I'm just waiting for some decals to finish them off.  Then I will have finished 1 and 2/3 WWI models.  ;D 



Yeah, I know about old men, second childhoods and short attention spans.  :-[  But it is a fun game and I've notched up my first kill (apart from colliding with my wing man and sending him down....).

Cheers.

Dal.