1/32 Roden Nieuport 28C- Wrapping twinned wires

[Dal Gavan]

G'day, everyone.

Thanks for all the support and advice.  Patrick, I appreciate your confirming that the aircraft should have two guns- thanks.

So what have I been doing since October?  I decided to leave things alone for a couple of weeks and think about what I did wrong.  Then followed a bout of tonsillitis that made me disinterested for about a month (I'm NOT having them out- I've had the same ones for 56 years and they can stay where they are!).  Then my younger son decided he'd better let me know about my brand new granddaughter- Isabella Grace, born on 10 December.  In that period I fiddled with the carbane struts, did some more work on the SPAD XIII cockpit (I found a scheme that I can do and the decals will be easy to make), started on my Sopwith Tripe and started work on the Neumarkisches Land-Bataillone, Kammerhusaren and Jäger-Corps web pages, for the Kronoscaf SYW site (www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.php?title=Main_Page).

I think that, as Rags observed, the original rigging I'd used had upset the geometry and put things out of whack.

I also visited here, when possible (net access at the farm is woeful), to gain inspiration from the builds on this site.

Anyway, over the last week I've made sure the mating surfaces at the bottom of the carbanes are flat, the recesses in the fuselage are flat and very carefully glued the carbanes to the fuselage, using Lance's Patented Strut Alignment tool I made to make sure.  After letting the glue dry for 24 hours (I didn't put pins in, this time, just in case), I was able to fit the inter-plane struts and get the rigging set up.  As proof I offer the following photo's:

   



The prop and wheels are attached with BluTac, so I could see what I want to achieve.  Once I finish the rigging (I just need to tighten a few lines, glue the thread and trim off excess) it will be time for touching up the paint, a semi-gloss coat and a decision as to whether I'll weather the model- and how much.

The Gaspatch turnbuckles are too large to use for the rigging between the interplane struts and from the carbanes to the fuselage top, so I use the technique I developed for the rudder control wires and made turnbuckles using two short lengths of plastic microtube and an RB Motion .020" (thanks, Lance) nut.  They look pretty good and are only 2mm long and .4mm in diameter.  By using a longer bit of microtube and putting the nut at the top, they may even do for simulating British tensioners for their "flat" flying wires.  Here's a close up of what I've done:



Once again, any comments, ideas or pointing out of mistakes will be welcome.

Cheers.

Dal.

[IFF1418]

Hello al,

I am glad to read that you did a lot of things the last 3 months. Your Nieuport is looking wonderful, the propeller painted as Rickenbacker's plane and your rigging looks superb to me. If my Nieuport will look half as nice, I will be very pleased. This beauty is nearly completed! Congratulations.

Kind regards
Patrick

[lcarroll]

Looking very nice, Dal. I really like those turnbuckles you scratched up, so much so that I'm going to order some of the RB Motion nuts (actually the .020 vs. .20 you stated?) These Roden Kits do finish up nicely but seemingly never without the odd challenge or two!
Nice work!
Cheers,
Lance

[mgunns]

Hello Dal:

The Nie. 28 is looking mighty fine.  Congratulations as well on entering Grandfatherhood!  Should be an interesting time.  I like the Nie. 28 and your Rickenbacker Bird looks outstanding.  I was wondering how to accomplish the rigging between the struts as there isn't a lot of space there, but you did an outstanding job with the rigging.

Best


Mark

[GAJouette]

 Dal,
The Nieuport is coming along beautifully my old friend. Love those turnbuckles you've scratched. Outstanding project to date.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette

[Ernie]

Great job, Dal.  When I first looked at your turnbuckles, I thought it was a
photo of the real thing.  Wow, that's some superb work!  The aeroplane is
really looking good.  Wonderful progress.

Cheers,
Ernie

[Dal Gavan]

G'day, Gents.

The parts for the turnbuckles can be found at the following URL's:

1.  RB Motion nuts is http://www.rbmotion.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=76_98&product_id=135, and

2.  MFH microtube at http://www.bnamodelworld.com/model-factory-hiro/mfh-p958 or http://www.modelfactoryhiro.com/mfh/d-part/p958.html

Patrick, your Nieuport is coming together very nicely, mate.  I think you'll do a very nice job with that.  If you do choose to use the Roden decals, remember to keep the water very hot so that the decals stay flexible, and that it's worthwhile getting the Superscale decals for the national markings and extra stencil details.  I look forward to seeing which scheme you choose, the Rickenbacker scheme is very simple and elegant and would look very good on your shelf.

Lance, I have fixed the Finger-Brain Disconnect  - thanks for spotting that. 

Mark, you did a brilliant job on yours, mate, I didn't see any problems with your rigging.  "Issie" (Ray hates me calling her that) in grandkid No 2- I also have a 6yo grandson from my elder son, Terry.  So now I have a complete set, this year I'll buy the boys a vasectomy each for their birthdays.   

Gregory, thanks for the kind words old mate.  See, I hadn't forgotten the SPAD.

Ernie, the turnbuckles were really easy to do (it takes about 2 minutes to cut the tube and thread the three pieces onto the rigging.  They look very nice with some Mr Metal Color Stainless Steel paint.  I tried using the .025" nuts first, but they were hard to keep centred.  The .020" work much better. 

Cheers.

Dal.

[coyotemagic]

Congratulations, Gramps, on both Isabella's arrival and the remarkable recovery you've made on the Nieuport!  Glad to see you back at it and that she's looking so very fine.  I'll have to give those nuts a try for Brit tensioners.
Cheers,
Bud

[Dal Gavan]

G'day, Bud.
G'day, Bud.

I hope you survived the Silly Season with sanity and wallet reasonably intact.

"Gramps"?!!!  Ta, mate.  It's bad enough Ray calls me "Old F--t" when he talks to me....

I'll be interested on your thoughts about using the tube and nuts for British rigging.  I've been puzzling over that question as I've studied photo's of Tripes and I don't know whether the tube and nut will look enough like the British system.

Why couldn't they have used turnbuckles like everyone else? 

Cheers.

Dal.

[RAGIII]

Dal,
I am so glad you persevered !! Your Nieuport is now Looking Stunning and can stand with any on the forum!!
RAGIII
PS: I started that thread in the Specific Models section. Looking forward to yours joining the others 
RAGIII

[Des]

Your Nieuport is looking brilliant Dal, and your work on the turnbuckles is amazing.

Des.

[IFF1418]

Hello Dal,

Thank you for the advice! Meanwhile I acquired the Superscale decals, one for Quentin Roosevelts plane and one for Ralph O'Neal. I think I will choose the Roosevelt scheme, but I think the engine cowling will not be easy! I am waiting now for Ron's seat. Any advice for the superscale  decals is more than welcome. Once again many congratulations for your magnificent Nieuport.

Kind regards
Patrick

[lcarroll]

Hello Dal,

Thank you for the advice! Meanwhile I acquired the Superscale decals, one for Quentin Roosevelts plane and one for Ralph O'Neal. I think I will choose the Roosevelt scheme, but I think the engine cowling will not be easy! I am waiting now for Ron's seat. Any advice for the superscale  decals is more than welcome. Once again many congratulations for your magnificent Nieuport.

Kind regards
Patrick

Patrick,
  Can I ask where you found the Superscale Decals for this one? I found a few on EBay but not the ones I was hoping for. A search of some of the Hobby Outlets didn't produce any results either. Any details on which ones you found and where would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Lance

[IFF1418]

Hi Lance,

Here is the link : http://www.aviationmegastore.com/32-243-nieuport-28c-1-1st-lt-quentin-roosevelt-95th-aero-squadron-gengoult-1918-32-243-superscale-32-243-decals/product/?shopid=LM52bb21e3b8fe3648bb9f157604&action=prodinfo&parent_id=0&art=85175

If you need more info, with pleasure

Kind regards
Patrick

[Dal Gavan]

G'day.

Just a quick post to ask your opinion on my plan to do the slatting for the dual wires.  If I was smart I'd have done all this before doing the rigging.

My plan is to use 1mm strips of 0.25mm styrene.  The trick will be to get them to stick to the mono-filament lines.  So I'm experimenting with Tamiya Extra-Thin Cement.  To make sure that the cement won't eat the rigging, I've set up a test with a dual run and a bit of scrap styrene, which I'll leave overnight.  I've also put a length of styrene on one rigging run, to see if it looks acceptable.  I'm thinking I may have to reduce the width a little bit.




Des, the idea came about when the GasPatch turnbuckles were shown to be much too large for some jobs.  I do like the effect- but GasPatch turnbuckles are far easier to use.

Patrick, the set I bought were superb and caused no problems whatsoever.  All the decals really need is a gloss surface and a mild softener, suck as MicroSet and MicroSol (Mr Mark Softer will destroy them).  The Roosevelt scheme is the one I got and the cowling pieces come in multiple bits.  If you take your time and only do a couple of pieces each day, I can't see you having problems.  And if you do have a problem, I can send you the markings from my set- I only used the stencils and cockades.

Lance, you can also get them at Sprue Brothers: https://store.spruebrothers.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=Nieuport+28&Submit=Search

Cheers.

Dal.