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Offline Dal Gavan

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Barraca's SPAD XIII
« on: July 12, 2012, 11:56:47 AM »
G'day.

The Hobbycraft SPAD I'm building has Barraca's aircraft as one of the options and it's the one I'd like to do.  However, a bit of research on the net has shown a number of variations in the Italian national markings, on profiles, models and even a (replica?) full sized aircraft and I'm wondering which is correct.

For example, did the cockades have a red ring or green?  (Red is shown for SPAD XIII's I've found, but green for for other aircraft- the kit shows red)

And for the rudder stripes was the green closest to the fuselage or red?  Tthe kit has red, but a few articles say it should be green.

If the kit decals are wrong I'll try to mask the markings rather than trying to paint-match the decals.  I'm a long way from putting the paint on, but these questions have been nagging at me.

Cheers.

Dal.

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Re: Barraca's SPAD XIII
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2012, 01:36:21 AM »
  Dal,
For early SPAD XIII types the red outer ring is correct and the red closest to the tail as well. Many early French supplied aircraft arrived in Italy in French markings colors and for some reason unknown to me the marking were altered using the Italian colors thus Red, White,Green roundels. The same general idea would have applied to Nieuports and Hanriots. In the case of the Nieuports once the aircraft production began in Italy by Macchi the resulting Nieuports carried the Italian Colors in the correct order Green,White,Red. Are you planning to reconfigure the kits late type wing tips to the early rounded type as Barraca's SPAD XIII was an early type.
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Gregory Jouette

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Offline Flugzeugwerke

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Re: Barraca's SPAD XIII
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2012, 03:54:51 AM »
  Dal,
For early SPAD XIII types the red outer ring is correct and the red closest to the tail as well. Many early French supplied aircraft arrived in Italy in French markings colors and for some reason unknown to me the marking were altered using the Italian colors thus Red, White,Green roundels. The same general idea would have applied to Nieuports and Hanriots. In the case of the Nieuports once the aircraft production began in Italy by Macchi the resulting Nieuports carried the Italian Colors in the correct order Green,White,Red. Are you planning to reconfigure the kits late type wing tips to the early rounded type as Barraca's SPAD XIII was an early type.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette

LINK:http://www.rollmodels.net/nworkbench/onlinebuild/spad13/spad13.php

That's interesting -- in other words, they simply overpainted the blue in the markings with green, no?

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Re: Barraca's SPAD XIII
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2012, 03:05:35 PM »
Exactly! We italians love to take shortcuts sometimes!,  ;)
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Offline Flugzeugwerke

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Re: Barraca's SPAD XIII
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2012, 09:20:29 PM »
Ha ha yes I am aware, as I have owned many Italian cars over the years (and still do...)

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Re: Barraca's SPAD XIII
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2012, 10:07:57 PM »
Im thinkin'  Ferrari takes long cuts when they engineer something.....

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Re: Barraca's SPAD XIII
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2012, 11:08:05 AM »
Im thinkin'  Ferrari takes long cuts when they engineer something.....

Steve

Hehe, yes, depends on the part -- example: connecting rods yes, door handles, no...  I could cite examples but lets not hijack this cool topic :-)

Offline Dal Gavan

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Re: Barraca's SPAD XIII
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2012, 04:05:00 PM »
G'day, Gents.

Gregory, thanks for the info.  It makes sense, in a twisted way.  Changing the centre of the roundel is easy, and changing the stripes so the red was closest to the fuselage means they'd be easily distinguished from French aircraft.

No, I didn't know about the wing tips.  I'll dig out my "French Aircraft of the First World War" and look at what needs doing.  I was looking at the Spad being another relatively easy learning build (still hoping for WNW to start on French aircraft) on the way to an Se.5a and Re 8.  I just ordered the Datafile as well, (and one on the D.V/D.Va and Rumpler C.IV- I've got all the willpower of a mushroom, sometimes....).

Edo, why do things the hard way?  Italians are just being energy efficient.

Uncle Tony and Steve, you're not hijacking the thread.  There's a genuine connection to Ferraris, after all.  Though I'vve always preferred Maserati's meself.  One day I may even win enough to buy one (a mMaserati)- after I get every kit that WNW releases.  :-)

Cheers.

Dal.

 

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Re: Barraca's SPAD XIII
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2012, 03:08:18 AM »
Hi Dal,

I built this SPAD using FCM´s decals.

Important things I found out along the build:

- No roundels on top nor on the lower wings;
- horse on one side, dragon on the other;
- very hard to rig interplane struts  :o










Offline Whiteknuckles

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Re: Barraca's SPAD XIII
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2012, 11:02:42 AM »
Lovely SPAD Marco, nicely weathered.

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Re: Barraca's SPAD XIII
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2012, 11:39:32 PM »
    Marco,
While I'm not certain the jury is still out concerning the Gryphon on the port side. Done the less you've completed one outstanding SPAD XIII my friend. Beautifully built and weathered, and her rigging is just awesome. Bravo Well Done my friend.
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Gregory Jouette
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Offline Chris Johnson

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Re: Barraca's SPAD XIII
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2012, 11:48:06 PM »
Beautiful rigging job. I can see from your images just how difficult the job would be. Notice I said 'would' be, as after seeing this, I have no plans for a Spad in my near future!

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Re: Barraca's SPAD XIII
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2012, 12:29:22 AM »
Thank you!

Eventhough I built this kit it only contributed to my spadphobia. Not doing one again for a long time  ;D.


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Re: Barraca's SPAD XIII
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2012, 12:57:47 AM »
  Marco,
Perhaps a larger scale for your next SPAD project my friend. Still not a piece of cake to rig but the larger scale is somewhat easier due to the scale.
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Gregory Jouette
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Re: Barraca's SPAD XIII
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2012, 01:39:10 AM »
Lovely SPAD, Marco.

I'm curious about your comment regarding the gryphon, Gregory. Can you elaborate?