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Offline vincentm

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Albatros D-V (Roden 1/72)
« on: April 12, 2014, 03:55:54 AM »
This is my first WWI a/c build. Not my first 1/72 a/c though, as I started scratching and glueing plastic decades ago...This is probably the reason why I remained faithfull to my usual scale, although I now realize that those very aircraft come with particular problems in 1/72nd scale, like simulating natural material like wood, metal or fabric; building wire stretchers, laminated props and so on.

I plan to build a (small) batch of 15-20 WWI ace aircraft of the european front.

I started with collecting reference info (thank God, Windsock is among us), and my first task was to find the most accurate kit. I compared several and finally chose the Roden issue for the following reasons:
-first of all it almost perfectly matches the WD 1/72 plans
-accuracy of bent up aileron tips (compared to Revell or Eduard kits)
-better fin/fuselage joint
-detailed engine
-optional propellers (although only 2 are provided, it's already better than those kits that come only with one...)

Negative points:
-upper wing molded in 3 pieces, which will require some strengthening and adjustment
-lower wing in 2 parts, without anything provided to attach it to the fuselage
...but I have some experience with short-run biplane kits, and with drilling holes or adding plastic bits so the whole thing stays together.
-ah, one more thing: the Roden kit is a D-Va, with distinctive features like additionnal reinforcement bars on the base of the V-struts, and D-III-type aileron wire controls. Nothing really difficult to modify to make it a D-V

This is what the kit looks like, although it would be better with a less blurry image:


After reading a few books, I decided to make a black D-V with lozenge-covered wings, and found period pics of Udet's, Loerzer's, Kissenberth's and Jacob's mounts that would match this requirements. Jacob's plane was soon eliminated as I only found the photo of a wreck. I could identify it as a D-V from the aileron horns, but the rest is a heap of small wood and fabric. Kissenberth's birds are well documented but I needed a better-known pilot to stard with. Udet's machine is supposed to be a D-Va, has external aileron cables but no reinforcement struts, I found it suspicious. In the end there was Bruno Loerzer's D-V, the s/n of which is known, and I could identify most important details I know about so far (prop type, wing camo,  additionnal rigging, wheel-axle fairing). Here it is:

Period pics (sorry, the comments are in french but roughly describe the details I mentioned above)



I couldn't find any decal sheet that includes Loerzer's plane, but as it consists mainly in black items (the 6 point-star on a white band, and s/n on an unpainted wooden area on the fin), I drew them in an image program and printed that on clear decal:


Since 2 engines are provided in the kit, this gave me the idea of building a small scene I made a sketch of:


Let's start scratching plastic now. I started by cutting away the elevator, rudder and skid:


I put the airframe aside and noticed the valve springs were missing on the engine. I wrapped copper wire around a pin to make them (which is something most of you are probably used to do...):


After having added valve springs, a camshaft, rockers, spark wires, a few pipes and further wires, I painted the 2 engines, built an engine stand from match bits, and used oil paint to give them an oily look:


I then tried to give a plywood aspect to the cockpit, and painted an additionnal "wood" plate that will provide missing fuselage walls, dashboard and floor:
« Last Edit: April 12, 2014, 04:09:09 AM by vincentm »

Offline Epeeman

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Re: Albatros D-V (Roden 1/72)
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2014, 04:00:37 AM »
Bloody hell!

For your first WW1 model aircraft your work so far looks brilliant - love your engine!

Keep going as you are - you seem to be doing really well.  Good luck on the remainder of the build - I shall follow your work with real interest.

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Re: Albatros D-V (Roden 1/72)
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2014, 04:16:41 AM »
Bloody hell!

For your first WW1 model aircraft your work so far looks brilliant - love your engine!

Keep going as you are - you seem to be doing really well.  Good luck on the remainder of the build - I shall follow your work with real interest.

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Dave
Yeah!  What Dave said!  Phenomenal.
Cheers,
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Re: Albatros D-V (Roden 1/72)
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2014, 04:24:46 AM »
Thanks, guys. It looks like I already love working on WWI birds, cos it's pretty rewarding. Lots of things you do remain visible compared to WWII planes. But I still have quite a lot to learn on these machines.

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Re: Albatros D-V (Roden 1/72)
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2014, 04:59:28 AM »
Very nice start indeed Vincent!
 Regarding some of your "identifying marks" for the DV - not all DVa's had the reinforcement to the front of the interplane struts - some DV's DID have it retrofitted, so it's not a good indicator. Similarly, the upper drag wire was not on all machines, it may have been an addition made at the Squadron level?
Basically, if it has the little fairings on the ailerons for the actuators, and the control wires run up from the cockpit to the upper wing, it IS a DV. It would probably also have a small fairing over the spent shell chute on the left MG, which was more common on the DV's.
For wood painting in this scale, I find it very easy to overdo it. My own technique is to paint everything Clear Doped Linen (CDL) or similar, then brush the wood colour over that, but don't stir it properly! It will streak and look pretty good! (in my opinion anyway!) I use leather for the wood colour which works well with the CDL. A darker undercoat can be used for darker woods.

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Re: Albatros D-V (Roden 1/72)
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2014, 05:57:35 AM »
Hi Vincent, cool project, great start, I love your approach.

What Ian said -- the lines between the D.V and the D.Va (not even an official IdFlieg designation) are extremely blurry. The only real harbinger is the routing of the aileron cables (as Ian said).

Not sure if you care or if it will even be visible, but much of the inside of the engine compartment (which you have painted silver) was actually wood. It is often depicted painted interior green on the lower half.

I love the sketch of your vignette with your notes, and I can't believe you are attempting valve springs in 1/72 scale :)


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Re: Albatros D-V (Roden 1/72)
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2014, 05:22:12 PM »
Holy Buckets! What a great start.
Regards, Ken

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Re: Albatros D-V (Roden 1/72)
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2014, 09:51:26 PM »
Incredible work on the engine Vincent, your attention to detail is amazing.

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Re: Albatros D-V (Roden 1/72)
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2014, 10:01:45 PM »
Good grief, Vincent, I don't know how you can do such wonderful modelling
in the teeny scale.  The engine is amazing...valve springs?  You are quite a
talent, my friend!

Cheers,
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Re: Albatros D-V (Roden 1/72)
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2014, 10:03:18 PM »
 :o my dear the engine is one of the best I`ve seen in 1/72nd!
Best regards
Filip

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Re: Albatros D-V (Roden 1/72)
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2014, 05:20:50 AM »
Gosh Vincent, this is impressive work. I can't wait to see more.

Best wishes
Nigel

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Re: Albatros D-V (Roden 1/72)
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2014, 05:25:36 AM »
Thanks! If I got it well, the only distinctive detail between a D-V and a D-Va is the aileron cables. Which means Udet's black D-V is a D-Va then, even without the additionnal wing strut. Good to know. 
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then brush the wood colour over that, but don't stir it properly!
Thanks for the tip. Yes I already noticed that if you don't stir enough your paint, you get precisely the effect you would want to simulate wood.

The valve springs are a little too big for the scale, but I don't mind too much with emphasizing (is that correct LOL?) some small details to make them more visible, guess this is particular to 1/72nd.

No I don't think the color of the inside of the engine compartment will be visible, I made some tests with the engine inside the fuselage halves. I scratchbuilt the oil tank though, just in case...Since then I been working on the pit, more pix soon.

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Re: Albatros D-V (Roden 1/72)
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2014, 05:42:15 AM »
Outstanding! Agree with what everyone else has said, so won't repeat
but can't wait to see the rest, and how you beat the challenges of 1/72 intro submission :)

Mark

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Re: Albatros D-V (Roden 1/72)
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2014, 11:00:20 AM »
Excellent start as all of the others have emphasized! Looks really good so far!! I am certainly looking forward to the remainder of your build!
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Re: Albatros D-V (Roden 1/72)
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2014, 12:39:27 AM »
While I think of it, there are one or two things you may want to know in advance about this kit.
 You mentioned the 3 piece upper wing: that really isn't a problem, you should get a good solid join without any pins as it's flat. The lower wing joint is differant. You will need to thin the underside of the centresection wing stub as it is too thick. (match up the wings in a dry run and you'll see what I mean). Also the inspection panels that Roden moulded onto it shouldn't be there (Take a look at the DVa walkaround pics on the TVAL site). The final major issue I found was that the cabane (fuselage mounted) struts need to be adjusted in length to fit in the correct locations. You may want to check that before attempting to mount the upper wing!

Ian