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Offline RAGIII

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Re: 1:32 Amodel Nieuport 16c
« Reply #75 on: July 24, 2023, 04:58:40 AM »
I am glad I was able to help. I remembered the photo because there was a discussion long ago about how the seat was mounted. Much easier than scratch building that Nie. 17 seat mount  8)
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Re: 1:32 Amodel Nieuport 16c
« Reply #76 on: July 24, 2023, 07:01:21 PM »
Research is a fair amount of my fun in this hobby to be honest! It's neat to see your process.
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Re: 1:32 Amodel Nieuport 16c
« Reply #77 on: July 25, 2023, 10:12:38 AM »
Thanks, Rick and Zac. I have to admit to being a little disappointed, as I was kind of looking forward to figuring out that nightmarish framework under the tall seat :-/

Masochist? Who, me??

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Re: 1:32 Amodel Nieuport 16c
« Reply #78 on: July 26, 2023, 12:39:22 AM »
Dave, beautiful work on your project.  I appreciate your attention to detail. Here is a link to my 1/24 Black Knight vaccuform build if it helps in any way.  My build is not as focused on exact detail more a general representation. I cannot get individual pictures to post for some reason.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/viewtopic.php?f=680747&t=518283&p=2763267&hilit=Nieuport#p2763267


Hop this helps,
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Re: 1:32 Amodel Nieuport 16c
« Reply #79 on: July 26, 2023, 01:28:25 AM »
Thanks, Tim! I haven't had time to read through the whole thread, but I'm loving it so far, beautiful work! I'd never even heard of Black Knight before.

Back to the drawing board—or light table, as the case may be—RE: the "short seat". I collected all the pics I could last night and started redrawing a template at a little less than twice the final size. It took me a bit to figure out a logical arrangement for the holes, which, as is the case with the "tall seat", are arranged in diagonally staggered rows spaced to accomodate the radius of the seat back. I wish I could locate a contemporary picture taken from the front that clearly showed the pattern, but lacking that I think my in-process drawing at the very bottom of the yellow card-stock must be pretty close. If anyone has evidence to the contrary, please LMK!



... and the real item...



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Re: 1:32 Amodel Nieuport 16c
« Reply #80 on: July 26, 2023, 06:55:26 PM »
Love it Dave, the seat pattern looks spot on to me. I love all the careful research that is going into this project. In the end I am sure this will all a long way towards a superb finished model.

Richie

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Re: 1:32 Amodel Nieuport 16c
« Reply #81 on: July 27, 2023, 03:52:47 AM »
Thanks, Richie! I've actually made a lot of progress since last night, having abandoned my idea of making the seat out of the scribed basswood decking... not only did it crumble when I steamed and bent it, but I realized that in scale it would give me a seat back 1" thick (the original was 1/8" ply). So I got out some .010 styrene this morning and knocked out a Mk.I test seat in about forty-five minutes:



 The holes are staggered unevenly (although it's difficult to tell once it gets wrapped around the base) and the radius of the back is a little ragged, but all in all I'm pretty happy with it. The Mk.II should be better still.

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Re: 1:32 Amodel Nieuport 16c
« Reply #82 on: July 27, 2023, 08:19:07 AM »
Your test seat looks great but I'm sure Mk. II will be absolutely perfect. All done in 45 minutes too!

Richie

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Re: 1:32 Amodel Nieuport 16c
« Reply #83 on: July 27, 2023, 10:23:15 AM »
Pretty cool Dave. I think you’re right about the styrene being more scale accurate.  Looks great. 

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Re: 1:32 Amodel Nieuport 16c
« Reply #84 on: July 28, 2023, 03:58:53 AM »
Nice progress. Most times -I repeat MOST times- I find using plastic to replicate wood is better - There are those who achieve wonders with wood however.

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Re: 1:32 Amodel Nieuport 16c
« Reply #85 on: July 28, 2023, 05:54:14 AM »
Nice progress on your seat, Dave - styrene is always my go-to in most cases.
Cheers,
Gary

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Re: 1:32 Amodel Nieuport 16c
« Reply #86 on: July 28, 2023, 11:24:22 AM »
Thanks, Gary, Steve, Tim & Richie! I made some progress today, if only in realizing how far off the Mk II seat was from the real item. When I set it next to the Mk I from a day or two ago tonight it looked pretty good:



... but when I compared it to the photos of the actual seat it became immediately apparent how far off the shape was:



... I could also see that the half-round molding around the top and bottom was about twice as thick as the real one... I'd used a piece of styrene rod I found in my plastic bin, scraped down and stuck on with liquid cement. I'll probably go with stretched sprue next.

So, back to the drawing board... ah-gin, as Forrest Gump would say.

Dave V.

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Re: 1:32 Amodel Nieuport 16c
« Reply #87 on: July 28, 2023, 09:40:38 PM »
I don't think you need to get too obsessed about the seat shape.  Will it be viewed from the side when in finished model?  Or just from above?  Having some experience with scratchbuilding, I think it's better to complete a project rather than get discouraged to the point of abandoning it.

Just my 2 cents.

You're doing great work here!

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Re: 1:32 Amodel Nieuport 16c
« Reply #88 on: July 29, 2023, 12:48:55 AM »
Lovely work, Dave  ;)
Thanks for sharing.

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Re: 1:32 Amodel Nieuport 16c
« Reply #89 on: July 29, 2023, 01:31:28 AM »
Thank you Bob, and thank you too, Ken! Obsessing over detail and the potential for burning out is always a very real concern, of course. But I'm enjoying documenting my progress here on this thread, which has been very motivational. On the old WWIMML it really wasn't possible to share your day-to-day work, and without the kind of feedback one gets here my projects tended to stall and languish. I take the view that each major component should be a model (or sub-project) in itself; the Levasseur prop, for example, has been through ten incarnations so far, each noticeably more accurate than the last, and I'm still not done with it. But doing the research, and striving for that kind of accuracy is half the fun for me!

Dave V.