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Offline BigBlue

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Re: WnW Fokker D.VII F (501/18 "Red W")
« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2015, 02:58:54 PM »
Thanks Martin and Stefan for your comments and suggestions.

Marking continues:



I have been looking into purchasing a cutting machine for some time now, and decided that this build provided me the perfect excuse to give myself a late Christmas present.  Based largely on budget and space, I picked up a Silhouette Portrait.  The red W's represent the first harvest.

I scanned the appropriate kit decals, and used them to create the vector art in my drawing program, iDraw.  I cut the masks using Grafix Frisket film after a couple of hours of playing with the machine's settings to get the results I wanted.  Now that it is dialed in, cutting further masks should be straightforward.  I am planning on painting the crosses and W's on the upper and lower wings, but am concerned about lifting the lozenge (especially since I did not do a textbook job of getting them applied in the first place, and can see pockets of silvering here and there.)

I also decided to pick up a set of the Gaspatch Spandaus (really nice!), and experimented a bit with the Taurus cowl nuts:



I discussed this in a thread in the Hints and Tips section of the forums (http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=4851.0), so I won't go to much into it here other than to say that I am still unsure if I will use them for this build.  They are up to the usual Taurus standards, but I concerned that they are too prominent (in scale though they may be). I am, however, warming up to them.   :)

Thanks for looking in; comments and questions are welcome,

Chris

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Re: WnW Fokker D.VII F (501/18 "Red W")
« Reply #61 on: January 25, 2015, 09:01:26 PM »
So, what's the verdict on the issue of the cowl nuts? Do they seem too big, or are they OK in the opinion of most of you? 

I was thinking of using them if they enhance the model, but you raise a good question, Chris. But you really can't judge until the cowl is painted. Your cowl is black so they will appear a bit less prominent (since we all know black is slimming  ;)) so I guess I'll wait as see.

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Re: WnW Fokker D.VII F (501/18 "Red W")
« Reply #62 on: January 25, 2015, 10:30:28 PM »
Chris, your paintwork is amazing!  I really am impressed with
your work on the vert. stabilizer/rudder.  That is inspired!  It
is such fun watching a lovely model such as yours take shape,
my friend, and very informative as well. :D

Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Re: WnW Fokker D.VII F (501/18 "Red W")
« Reply #63 on: January 26, 2015, 01:41:24 AM »
Thanks very much guys!

Bo, I use iDraw on my Mac, and for the price, you can't beat it.  My old version of Illustrator eventually went obsolete on me, and I couldn't justify the price (or subscription model) for the occasional use it got.  For a hobbyist like myself, it does what I need it to do (other than export dxf files, but I have a workaround for that as well.) 

George, I think you are right about holding off judgement until the final paint is sprayed, and will post a picture when I do.  When I first put the cowl nuts in place, they REALLY jumped out at me compared to the molded kit representations, especially with the dark resin against the light gray styrene.  I put a coat of primer on the piece to make it easier to compare to the unmodified counterpart.  In addition to the color issue, I think the size is emphasized when looking at the panel in isolation; when the piece is placed in context, I think the nuts are less prominent:



Ernie, I sincerely appreciate your kindness.  I had just recently been looking at how you finished your cowling panels for inspiration!

Chris

« Last Edit: January 26, 2015, 02:33:48 AM by BigBlue »

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Re: WnW Fokker D.VII F (501/18 "Red W")
« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2015, 03:20:20 AM »
Yes, seeing the cowl in place really helps, even before final painting. From your photo I can see the cowl nuts look great. I'm convinced they work very well, I'm going to add them.

Thanks for posting the newest photo.
George

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Re: WnW Fokker D.VII F (501/18 "Red W")
« Reply #65 on: January 26, 2015, 08:52:55 AM »
I am planning on going ahead with them as well, George.  Glad the picture was helpful.

Well, as I feared, my poor application of the Aviattic decals has come back to haunt me:



The white marks around the 'W' are not from the mask leaking, but rather the mask taking away bits of poorly adhered decal.   :(   In the photo above, you can see additional pockets where I did not get the decal to adhere properly.  I am probably going to end up re-covering the wings, but am open to any tips to attempt to fix the adhesion issue after the fact....

Sadly, I think this will put the GB deadline out of reach.  Oh well,

Chris


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Re: WnW Fokker D.VII F (501/18 "Red W")
« Reply #66 on: January 26, 2015, 09:13:37 AM »
Thanks Justin, I'll give it a go.

Chris

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Re: WnW Fokker D.VII F (501/18 "Red W")
« Reply #67 on: January 26, 2015, 09:34:57 AM »
Well Chris, I think Justin has given you good advice for adherence issues. On the other hand if this were mine, ( Note I am relatively Lazy), I would step back and evaluate what it would take to touch up the lozenge using paint. To my eye it isn't beyond reasonable. Somewhere in Bos' Albatros thread he has done a very elaborate touch up on Lozenge decals. I touched up some glitches, read some Idiot used Lacquer thinner to try and clean off a bit of paint, on my DVII just by mixing a very close match and carefully brushing on the paint. I only had to match 2 colors and as no one seems to have noticed must have been successful  :o There really isn't a tremendous amount of affected areas on yours. JMHO, If your level of perfection demands a re- do then go for it and I will cheer you on!
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Re: WnW Fokker D.VII F (501/18 "Red W")
« Reply #68 on: January 26, 2015, 10:05:25 AM »
Thanks for the support Rick!

I'd still prefer to paint the wing crosses at this point since every other marking on the aircraft has been masked and sprayed, and as Stefan pointed out a page or so ago, the tones of the kit decals will not match.  That isn't going to work out well with the wings in their current state.  So while I'd prefer not to strip the wing, not doing so will require: disguising the current blemishes with paint and or weathering, encouraging a better grip for the lozenge decals (particularly where I want to mask), and getting lucky that I won't lift any further spots.  I de-tacked the Frisket so much before spraying the white 'W' that it barely remained down in a few locations along the opening.

I've been reasonably happy with how this build has turned out so far, and want to finish with that same feeling.  Now I just need to figure out what I need to do to make that happen.

Chris


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Re: WnW Fokker D.VII F (501/18 "Red W")
« Reply #69 on: February 01, 2015, 09:20:12 AM »
Sorry you missed the GB deadline Chris but I'm glad to see this build is now here and will continue, looking forward to seeing what solution you come up with for the lozenge blemish.

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Re: WnW Fokker D.VII F (501/18 "Red W")
« Reply #70 on: February 02, 2015, 01:27:33 AM »
Chris,
     "These things are sent to try us"! My vote is for Ricks paint touch up remedy. You have a beautiful Build going on here and the less repairs the better. It's thankfully in very small areas so I believe the paint touch up would be very much hidden in the overall finish. On the other hand Richard's generous and kind offer would tempt me as well, can't beat the financials on that! (how do you stay in business, Richard?!?!)
    There is a third option, which I used for a similar problem on my first D.VII. Cutting tiny patches of lozenge patches from the White Backing product. With a final overspray of acrylic sealer it was virtually invisible when complete.
   Whichever route you choose it will produce a winner, lovely work so far.
Cheers,
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Re: WnW Fokker D.VII F (501/18 "Red W")
« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2015, 02:50:39 AM »
Michael, Richard and Lance:  thank you all for your generous comments and support, they are much appreciated!  Richard, thanks further for your incredibly generous offer which I am going to decline as I explained in a PM. 

Here's where I currently stand:  Given that I am no longer under any pressure to meet a deadline for this build, I have purchased a fresh set of lozenge and will take a second go at it when they arrive.  I took Justin's advice and attempted to re-bond the silvered pockets, which seemed to help reduce the silvering somewhat.  I also added a couple of fresh coats of Aqua Gloss in an effort to build up the platform for masking.  Additionally, I spent a bit of time working through mixes for the lozenge colors to repair the damage shown above.  All good so far....

After letting the gloss coats dry for a day, I decided to take a go at painting the crosses using the file I set up for the Portrait cutting machine.  Rather than risking the frisket material which caused my initial problems, I cut the masks using some thin origami paper that we had in my kid's craft supplies.  I purchased a stick of 3M Scotch Repositionable Glue Stick, which basically turns any paper into a Post-It note, and used it to apply the masks to the wings.  As is probably obvious by this point, I'm not happy with the results:



There are two issues, both of which can be seen above.  The first is that my homemade "post-it" masks just didn't give me a sharp enough seal, and the borders look sloppy.  The second and bigger issue has nothing to do with the masking materials, but rather the poor job I did aligning the crosses with each other.  Unlike using decals where you see alignment issues immediately, it can be tricky (for me at least) to see small alignment issues until paint has been laid down and it is too late.  This is especially true when the opaque masking material (origami paper) conceals much of the wing surface (and further confuses the eye by introducing additional edges).  To assist with this going forward, I have amended the masks to include small strips running through the black cross area (which is removed prior to painting anyway) that line up on the wing ribs to keep things in line.  Additionally, I have cut a strip of paper the width of the crosses to make sure the pairs are pointing towards each other.  I hope that all makes sense.

I am chalking all of this up to a learning opportunity (actually a number of them... decal setting, insignia masking, etc.) and moving on; hopefully not making the same mistakes twice.  The universe has told me to re-group, and I have decided not to fight it.

Thanks again for the comments and suggestions that everyone has given me; they have been very helpful.  Thanks again to Richard for his generosity.  Comments, suggestions and questions are more than welcome.

Chris


Oh, p.s., in other news, I have added the few small (id number) decals to the fuselage and tail assembly, and have begun work on the Gaspatch Spandaus.  I will post pics when I have a bit more done.

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Re: WnW Fokker D.VII F (501/18 "Red W")
« Reply #72 on: February 02, 2015, 01:00:24 PM »
Well Chris, I must say you are the one you must please. Again I don't see an issue that can't be fixed with a very slight touch up. But that is me. You Obviously have a higher standard and I applaud your perseverance!
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Re: WnW Fokker D.VII F (501/18 "Red W")
« Reply #73 on: February 03, 2015, 02:49:26 PM »
Thanks for the support, Rick!

I have to say that I don't think its as much high standards as it is my inability to get past something once it gets under my skin.  This is a trait my wife really enjoys.  That aside, the issue for me here isn't the touchups, but rather the faulty orientation of the upper wing crosses.  It would drive me crazy if I didn't re-paint them, and I don't think I can strip them off without making a mess of the rest of the finish. 

I have a small update to share:



As I've mentioned before, these are the Gaspatch Spandaus, which are really quite nice.  They are not a direct drop in replacement for the kit parts (see: http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=4495.0)  I've cut the notches in the rear lower corners in order to fit them to the Wingnut mounts, and inspired by Bo's solution I cut the front mount brackets from 5 thou Evergreen sheet (styrene and glue vs. brass and solder....)  Additionally, I removed the shell ejection tubes with a #11 blade.  Painting began with black primer, followed by a light coat of Alclad Airframe Aluminum (heavier on the breech than the heat shield).  Next came a thin coat of Tamiya Nato Black and some light dry-brushing with Mr. Metal Color Stainless Steel.  The fittings on the bottom are Mr. Metal Color Brass.

Thanks for checking in,

Chris

 


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Re: WnW Fokker D.VII F (501/18 "Red W")
« Reply #74 on: February 03, 2015, 02:57:12 PM »
Beautiful job on the machine guns Chris.

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