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Offline Dave in Dubai

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Barker's Snipe -rigging wires what size?
« on: December 05, 2013, 07:30:37 PM »


Hi,

I am approaching the rigging stage of my WNW Sopwith Snipe and have decided to finish it using the photoetch RAF rigging wires available.

Can anyone tell me what size the wires are and which set I should purchase please?

Many thanks for any information you can provide,

Warmest,

D i D. :)

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Re: Barker's Snipe -rigging wires what size?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2013, 08:34:05 PM »
It is a great looking Snipe, Dave. So, if I may, please, do not go for PE rigging. It is a guarantee of sagging. Use anything elastic, but not stiff metal strips.
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Re: Barker's Snipe -rigging wires what size?
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2013, 09:46:10 PM »
Sounds like an interesting challenge to me ;)

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Re: Barker's Snipe -rigging wires what size?
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2013, 01:20:11 AM »
I will be curious to see what you come up with Dave. I had no idea that PE
wires would sag...I've never used them.  Good luck on that one, my friend.
 As for the Snipe, it is beautiful!  Wonderful job.

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Re: Barker's Snipe -rigging wires what size?
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2013, 08:23:06 AM »
Avoid that stuff mate. More problems than it's worth.

Appliance of science is a good bet  8)

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Re: Barker's Snipe -rigging wires what size?
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2013, 08:30:27 AM »
maybe you can use a dental floss instead?
I have never tried it but it`s the only thing I can think of to reproduce tapes used by the British instead of wires...
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Re: Barker's Snipe -rigging wires what size?
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2013, 08:38:32 AM »
I have heard nothing but bad about the PE flat wires Dave, I would keep well away from them for now. Your Snipe looks absolutely beautiful.

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Re: Barker's Snipe -rigging wires what size?
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2013, 11:15:10 AM »
She's looking fantastic, Dave!  Looking forward to seeing her rigged.  Please, step away from the pe.
Cheers,
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Re: Barker's Snipe -rigging wires what size?
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2013, 06:57:12 PM »
Thanks for the comments gentlemen :)

As you can maybe see, I pre-rigged some of the cabane struts by trapping the mono under the top cockpit coaming piece , just before glueing this onto the fuselage.

Having read the Guide to Building WNW volume 1, some of the modellers have used the PE wires to good effect, hence the posting of my original question.

Will now have to think about this for a bit as I know that good results are obtained using Des technique and Uncle Robert's Buckles.

Tail stripe and serial number decals are from Rowan's Snipe set.

Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas :)

« Last Edit: December 07, 2013, 07:40:14 PM by Dave in Dubai »

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Re: Barker's Snipe -rigging wires what size?
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2013, 07:03:38 PM »
Hello Dave. This is a lovely piece of work and you've not got too far to go now.

I would also be a member of the avoid the pe flat wire brigade, sagging being the main problem. However, others have given you lots of food for thought.

Seasonal greetings to you too.

Best wishes
Nigel

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Re: Barker's Snipe -rigging wires what size?
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2013, 07:12:56 PM »
Dave,
 Running fishing line (Maxima 2lb breaking strain) line through round nosed pliers gives you a nice streamlined look. Patience and care will be required when installing, avoiding twist at all cost!  ;)

I hope this helps.
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Re: Barker's Snipe -rigging wires what size?
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2013, 07:17:28 PM »
Great idea Bob,

-thanks very much.

 I will try that and report back!

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Re: Barker's Snipe -rigging wires what size?
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2013, 01:09:02 AM »
Dave,
   If you do "crack the code" on the PE Version I have a good stock that I'll sell, or even donate to the cause. I've played around with it and decided it's not worth my sanity! I am a great fan of the suppliers' other products, absolutely brilliant, however the Flat Wires are not destined for other then scrap material in my modest little workshop. I could be just hiliting a lack of talent on my part but I just can't get them to work. :-[
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Re: Barker's Snipe -rigging wires what size?
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2013, 12:12:44 AM »
Thanks Nigel and Lance,

I wish someone could manufacture tailored sets of streamlined wires with the turnbuckles on each end!

Wingnut Wings showed a set of tailorred wires for the SE-5 and Bristol F2-B a few years ago, if I recall correctly, but they never appeared.

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Re: Barker's Snipe -rigging wires what size?
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2013, 11:13:50 AM »
i seem to remember a while back that wnw decided there were to many problems with the type and decided not to make them. the problem is you have to glue one at a time and keep the tension neutral.even gravity causes problems. for instance one guy said he would glue one wire on one side then do one on the opposite side and it would pull the first wire slack. so he tightened it and it pulled the second wire slack. another guy said he turned the plane upside down and rigged the whole thing,he said it wasnt perfect but looked decent,so he flipped it upside right and every wire was bowed. sounds nightmareish to me.