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Army Type Ko-3 Trainer (Roden N.24, 1/72)
« on: July 18, 2013, 08:53:53 AM »
This is not quite a Great War subject, but it is pretty much a great war type. I have recently gotten bit by a Japanese bug, and one of the projects started in consequence is this, a Roden N.24 to be done up as a Japanese Army machine. I intend to finish it as an early example, built at the Tokorozawa Arsenal in 1920 and fitted with an 80 hp Le Rhone.



This is the basic interior structure. It is a mix of photo-etch from Tom's Modelworks (seat back, foot slides, 'throttle' and rods), scratch-built bits (the tube frame, and the backing for the throttle, and the aileron rods off the stick), and kit pieces (rudder bar, stick, seat bottom, and rear seat support).



Here is the finished interior in place. The front of the fuel tank is scratched, the vertical piece between the foot slides (a combination ammo box and collector for links and brass) is from Tom's Modelworks. The gauges are scratched, with bezels from the photo-etch set. Seat-belts are foil from candy. The vertical rod is the aileron actuator, slid through a hole where the kit piece for this part is intended to go. The external portion will be trimmed, but passing this through the hole to engage the pieces going to either side from the stick let me be sure the angle was right.

Here is the fuselage closed and lower wing attached, with looks into the cockpit....







The lower wing to fuselage joint needed a bit of work. Before I did the interior, I tacked the fuselage halves together with a couple of dots of CA gel, and did a bit of trimming and dry-fitting on the mating surfaces. An excellent fit can be easily gotten this way.
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Re: Army Type Ko-3 Trainer (Roden N.24, 1/72)
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2013, 01:54:33 PM »
Excellent progress Old Man! Lovely work!
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Re: Army Type Ko-3 Trainer (Roden N.24, 1/72)
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2013, 11:23:07 PM »
A fascinating subject OM.  I have always been interested in Japanese aviation, but mostly in the 1930s and wwii.  The earlier period sounds interesting. 
At the risk of leading myself down yet another modeling trail, can you give us a little more history on this particular aircraft and Japan's use of foreign trainers during the post-wwi era?  I was had not been aware that Japan used license-built French designs in the 1920s, but why not?  Italy and Russia built Nieuports during the war!

Thanks for sharing this interesting project with us, and for expanding my horizons. ;D.  My build list just keeps getting longer!  ;)

Regards,

Bob

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Re: Army Type Ko-3 Trainer (Roden N.24, 1/72)
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2013, 02:06:54 AM »
Excellent progress Old Man! Lovely work!
RAGIII

Thank you, Sir.

I am hoping to get this one done at a fair clip. It is a nice little kit.

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Re: Army Type Ko-3 Trainer (Roden N.24, 1/72)
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2013, 02:33:59 AM »
Hello Old Man:

WOW!  In 1/72nd no less!  I have this in 1/32nd and am stalled due to the poor design and fit.  Your work is inspiring and I may just yet tackle this bird.  Looking forward to your next update. 

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Re: Army Type Ko-3 Trainer (Roden N.24, 1/72)
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2013, 02:38:28 AM »
A fascinating subject OM.  I have always been interested in Japanese aviation, but mostly in the 1930s and wwii.  The earlier period sounds interesting. 
At the risk of leading myself down yet another modeling trail, can you give us a little more history on this particular aircraft and Japan's use of foreign trainers during the post-wwi era?  I was had not been aware that Japan used license-built French designs in the 1920s, but why not?  Italy and Russia built Nieuports during the war!

Thanks for sharing this interesting project with us, and for expanding my horizons. ;D.  My build list just keeps getting longer!  ;)

Regards,

Bob

I am far from expert on it, Sir, and was fortunate to lay hands on a copy of 'Arawasi' magazine, which had an article on the Ko-3 that went into some depth on it.

A French air mission to Japan in 1919 had great influence on the Japanese Army; so did the reports of several Japanese officers who had served with the Aviation Militaire in France during the Great War. Both the SPAD XIII and the Nieuport 24 were ordered from France; more SPADs than Nieuports but arrangements were made for the Nieuport to be built under license in Japan. The Nieuports were initially built with 80hp motors for training, but in 1922, deliveries of Nieuports with 130hp motors began, and these replaced the SPAD XIII as the front-line IJAAF fighter. I do not know why this seemingly retrograde decision was made. A fondness for manouverability is sometimes suggested, but favoring home industry strikes me as a likely reason, along with possible problems of continued availability (no one was making SPAD XIIIs any more) and servicing difficulties (the geared Hispano motor was notoriously fickle).

The Ko-3 was replaced as a front-line fighter in 1924 by the Ko-4, a license built version of the Nieuport-Delange Ni-D. 29. Six hundred of these were built, by Nakajima, more, I think, than were produced in France. These were still the predominant IJAAF fighter in 1931, when the Mukden Incident was contrived, and some saw combat use in Manchuria. The Nakajima Type 91 parasol and the Kawasaki Type 92 biplane replaced it starting in 1932.

Over this same period of the 1920s, the standard IJAAF observation/light bomber type was the Salmson 2, built under license by Kawasaki and by the Tokorozawa arsenal, to a total of at least six hundred, and possibly up to a thousand. These also saw much use as trainers.

The Japanese Navy took its air advice from the English, and a lot of its early equipment derives from the Gloster company. They did, however, employ the Hansa-Brandenburg W.29 two-seat monoplane float-fighter in quantity.

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Re: Army Type Ko-3 Trainer (Roden N.24, 1/72)
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2013, 02:46:37 AM »
Hello Old Man:

WOW!  In 1/72nd no less!  I have this in 1/32nd and am stalled due to the poor design and fit.  Your work is inspiring and I may just yet tackle this bird.  Looking forward to your next update. 

Best

Mark

Thank you, Sir.

This is not up to the standard of the Eduard N.17 so far as fit is concerned, but it is not a bad kit by any means. I have made peace with the understanding Roden kits will never build nearly so good as they look like doing when you open them, and it is oddly liberating. As they say: "Expect little, and you will have more pleasant surprises than bitter disappointments."

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Re: Army Type Ko-3 Trainer (Roden N.24, 1/72)
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2013, 02:50:57 AM »
Thank you for another superb history lesson, OM.  I like how you research your projects.  Excellent job on the cockpit.  I look forward to the next update.
Cheers,
Bud
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Re: Army Type Ko-3 Trainer (Roden N.24, 1/72)
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2013, 06:39:21 AM »
Thanks so much for the history, OM.  You've inspired me to do some additional research on my own and have a go at some of these 'tween wars Japanese aircraft in 1/32, although they will be a fair way down my build list. :D.  Thanks again!

Regards,

Bob

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Re: Army Type Ko-3 Trainer (Roden N.24, 1/72)
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2013, 07:44:45 PM »
Interesting history OM, thank you.
Looking forward to seeing this beastie develop!

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Re: Army Type Ko-3 Trainer (Roden N.24, 1/72)
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2013, 08:30:15 PM »
Excellent work so far OM on your current project, the pit looks very nice, and thank you for the very interesting history.

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Re: Army Type Ko-3 Trainer (Roden N.24, 1/72)
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2013, 09:23:52 PM »
Good job, OM!  The cockpit is great, especially in 1/72.  That in itself
is pretty amazing.  Looking forward to the rest of the build.

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Re: Army Type Ko-3 Trainer (Roden N.24, 1/72)
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2013, 01:11:43 AM »
   OM,
Excellent first progress my old friend. I'm looking forward to seeing more of this beautiful little Ko-3.
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Re: Army Type Ko-3 Trainer (Roden N.24, 1/72)
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2013, 04:22:58 PM »
Thank you very much, Gentlemen!

I was fortunate to be able to acquire a copy of the Arawasi magazine with the article, it is out of print. Until I had that I did not know very much about the type, beyond that it existed....

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Re: Army Type Ko-3 Trainer (Roden N.24, 1/72)
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2013, 04:44:09 PM »
More work on this, my friends: it is coming along pretty well.

The Roden kit includes a decent LeRhone, but it is of the higher power type with all its works behind the cylinders. I had a spare from an Eduard N.17 kit, with a front manifold and cowling as well, but the outer circumference of the Eduard cowling was a hair too small for the Roden kit's nose, and so could not be used. I decided to work the Roden LeRhone into an 80hp motor, and use the kit's cowling pieces. I thinned the cowling interior before and after assembling its pieces, and enlarged the cowling's vent cut-outs (these were positioned so that, when a cylinder was expelling exhaust and oil, its head would be where a hole was).



The Roden LeRhone fit a little loose in the original thick cowling, so after removing the 'works' in the rear, I sanded flat the tops of the cylinders and add a disc of 1.5mm rod to each to make them longer. I dressed this up with a bit of square .25mm rod across the top (to represent the dual valves), and a bit of square .25 rod in front of this, only half-way across the top (to represent the revolving valve actuator). Lengthening the cylinders put the spark plugs moulded to the piece too far from the top, so I trimmed them and replaced them with bits of round .25mm rod. The fuel feed pipes are from .5mm round rod; the push-rods are 34 gauge beading wire; the ignition wiring is .004" brass wire.



Here is the motor painted:



All these pictures are very much magnified....