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Offline IanB

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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2024, 04:06:38 AM »
This looks interesting! I have a vac conversion for the BE12, but without that, this looks like a pretty good way to go.

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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2024, 06:50:32 AM »
Always had a soft spot for the BE series, like your promising start!
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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2024, 06:37:10 AM »
Thanks gents, I’m a few baby steps closer.


One of the easier changes, reducing the tailplane area a bit. Here the excess has been cut off from the starboard half for comparison:


After some sanding that should be passable.

The nose is trickier. Fortunately I can use the kit pieces, as their outer shape is fine. I just need to cut off the upper part to make way for the larger engine, and put a new, larger panel on the lower half. Plus some additional pipes/openings (carburetor intakes, sump oil, air scoops?).



The engine itself will be based on the kit: I will merely add four cylinders. I took measurements of the WNW RE8 and the dimensions of the kit pieces are ok, but my handmade cylinders are closer to the WNW. The kit shape is wrong, consisting of a lower straight cylinder and an upper straight conical cylinder, instead of a continously curved cross-section. Only the front pair will be visible, as the others will be covered with heat shields. I’m building this based on the fantastic images published by the vintage aviator on their Be12a replica.

The crank case (which won’t really be visible) and cylinders are separated so far, so I can turn it with the kit or scratched cylinders in front depending on which turns out to look better after painting. I’be added magnetos so far: inlet pipes, spark plugs (only the two that will be visible) and wires will be added later.




Observer’s office can be closed by simply covering it with a thin plastic sheet. The fuel (and oil?) tank will take its place, but only the fill points will be seen. Apparently I only took a picture of myself making a paper templete, but at least it shows another small change: closing the small skylight in front of the cockpit. edit: and a lot of yucky sanding dust in the cockpit!


 The biggest problem so far has been the stitches going along the entire fuselage, holding the cloth panels in place. They are basicly non-existant on the kit. I spent more time than healthy to come up with a stamp to make a pattern that can be used on thin plastic sheet, that in turn could be used to ”skin” the plane. I gave up that idea because stamping strips gave a raised look which I didn’t like, and skinning the entire sides I don’t feel like doing. Two stamps goes into the cabinet, maybe I get some use of them in the future. It took one full movie to drill the holes and thread them with wire (after marking the locations using the traversing table on the milling machine - NOT while watching any movies!). At least it is working, and if one is patient it shouldn’t be impossible to actually sew ”skins” together and glue the whole shebang on a fuselage, wires and all, to give a realistic look (if one has enough movies to watch). Maybe it could be also possible to convince the boss’s sewing machine to sew 0.3 mm holes on thin plastic?



Anyhow sanity returned and I put all those thoughts on hold and just scribed the dividing lines between the cloth covers and marked the holes for the threads - and rely on the brain of the observer to fill in the threads themselves abstractly. Put an oil wash in to better see the result. Not perfect but an improvement. Wobbly lines may sometimes even give a more realistic impression than straight edges and uniformity.


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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2024, 04:19:21 PM »
Blimey you don't hang about do you  :D

Great progress so far and love the stitching experiments and also that you get dust in the lovely finished cockpit when sorting out the fuselage later (which is something I always manage to do)

Look forward to the next installment
Paul
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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2024, 05:56:41 PM »
Very impressive work all round, this is going to be a great build to follow!

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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2024, 09:44:49 PM »
Good progress!
Lacing lines are a problem, in 72nd anyway.
Here is some David Archer stuff, raised resin decals, no longer available.

But a swiss modeller uses clear decal strip with the lacing printed on. Very convincing I think.
Btw this guy has built more than 40 D.VII.

Joachim

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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2024, 11:45:39 PM »
Blimey you don't hang about do you  :D

Great progress so far and love the stitching experiments and also that you get dust in the lovely finished cockpit when sorting out the fuselage later (which is something I always manage to do)

Look forward to the next installment
Paul
You’d think I’d learnt to cover the cockpit by now, but no.

Thanks Joachim, decals should indeed work in this scale, especially if coupled with a scribed dividing line.

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Re: RAF BE12a (was Be2e) - 1/72
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2024, 03:35:50 AM »
Fantastic work on your conversion! The stitching is insane but effective  ::) Excellent progress.
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Re: RAF BE12a (was Be2e) - 1/72
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2024, 12:50:59 AM »
It is a great project. Fantastic modeling all around!
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Re: RAF BE12a (was Be2e) - 1/72
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2024, 04:01:33 AM »
That is true dedication to the subject when you drill the holes and pass wire through to make the stitching!

Super conversion here and excellent details.

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Re: RAF BE12a (was Be2e) - 1/72
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2024, 07:41:06 AM »
Thank you, guys, though I did abandon the stitching/lacong this time. I will definitely return though, already thinking of a subject that allows me to use it - an FB5 or FE2b perhaps, where it is not too much of it.


Otherwise not much to report: fabulous weather - probably the last of the season - put an effective stop on modelling, but I did manage to start on the characteristic air scoop riding on top of the V12. So far I made a plastic template with all holes in [almost] the correct spots, which I will use to cut a final version from thin brass sheet.

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Re: RAF BE12a (was Be2e) - 1/72
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2024, 08:27:55 AM »
Fantastic work. I really appreciate your in progress scratch building shots.

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Re: RAF BE12a (was Be2e) - 1/72
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2024, 06:14:31 AM »
Thanks Tim!
Continuation from the previous post.

The plastic template for the top cover was unfolded and the outline transferred to brass sheet. Cutting out and bending it into a shape which I finally managed to fit after quite a bit of filing. On the inside there were some vanes, probably to guide the wind flow onto the different pieces needing cooling (cylinders as it seems). I cut those from the same sheet and simply CA:ed these in place, the result seen on the right in the photo below.

On the left is the nose piece, covered with 5 thou sheets on each side to represent metal cowling panels.



The «cooling intake cowl» painted, with the more or less finished engine.



The engine slides into the cradle like this:



I hope to avoid some tricky masking by this method.
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Re: RAF BE12a (was Be2e) - 1/72
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2024, 07:09:07 AM »
That is an amazing piece of metalwork! Very well done!
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Re: RAF BE12a (was Be2e) - 1/72
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2024, 06:54:00 PM »
Superb work all round, especially in such a tiny scale. Really enjoying this.