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Offline torbiorn

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RAF BE12a (was Be2e) - 1/72
« on: August 13, 2024, 02:35:59 AM »
I have had a break from modelling, but wanted to be a part of this nice initiative, hopefully I will manage to finish on time.

Planning to do a 50 squadron Home defense machine in night livery. To save time I’ll be starting with and Airfix BE2 and modify accordingly.

Once I bought the Be2e decal sheet (link at bottom of post) from Blue Rider, but searching the net for information I found conflicting statements on britmodeller whether my chosen plane was a BE2e or BE12a. Until that is settled (or decided, if it can’t be settled…), I’ll start preparing parts that can be used for either.

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/blue-rider-br-300-be2e--952703
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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2024, 04:56:48 AM »
I am looking forward to your build!
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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2024, 07:16:38 AM »
A black BE.2e (or BE.12a) in 1/72 - sounds interesting! I'll definitely follow your build torbiorn.

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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2024, 07:51:35 AM »
I do like a conversion - and a BE 2 is an excellent subject for one, especially when it is in the One True Scale.

Stephen.

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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2024, 12:23:00 PM »
I built the Pegasus kit (BE.2 E) and used the Blue rider decals.  It was a fun but challenging experience. 





Looking forward to seeing your build. 

Tim

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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2024, 03:01:26 PM »
I'm looking forward to following your efforts. So far I especially like your attitude towards the unknown.

'[...] I found conflicting statements on britmodeller whether my chosen plane was a BE2e or BE12a. Until that is settled (or decided, if it can’t be settled…)'.

Sometimes it's the only way forward in order to build anything at all. 🙂

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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2024, 05:53:38 PM »
A great subject for the memorial build, looking forward to this one.

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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2024, 12:05:53 AM »
Found the old windsock article about nocturnal Be's (Vol 3 no.4 winter 1987 if you're interested)

Looking at the profiles shown in the article and comparing them to the blue rider sheet instructions it looks like the instructions may show BE2c (There is a single strap on the tank/cowl behind the exhaust) That said they also show underwing tanks which are usually fitted to the Be2e - clear as mud!  ;D

Most of the photos in the article show Be2e's (single pair of interplane struts) There are a couple of photos, 2 of 'c's and one of a BE2e so seems which ever you fancy would be eligible.
NB - The skulls on the underwing should face the leading edge rather than the wingtips, there's also a small skull & crossbones shown on the front of the cowl under the propeller hub (Be2c)

Reading the text which includes a letter from the CO of 50 squadron about the new markings I also spotted that the back faces of the propeller blades are painted black which is an interesting detail to add.

Hope that all helps, look forward to seeing the model progressing

Paul
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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2024, 04:56:13 AM »
Thanks all, feel I’m getting the mojo come back now!


That’s a great model Tim, and indeed the unit and scheme I’m aiming for.


Thanks Paul, that does help. I’ll be sure to paint the propeller black on the back.  I think it’s possible to make many of the skull&bones  50 squadron planes with the decal sheet. I’ll skip the Be2c, but only because I have already built one of those. Currently I’m leaning towards the BE12a mentioned by poster wmcgill in the link below. The downside is of course that I have to make a V12 engine in addition to new wings…


https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235040999-50-sqs-black-be2-nightfighters/#comment-3228592

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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2024, 05:02:44 AM »
Thanks all, feel I’m getting the mojo come back now!


That’s a great model Tim, and indeed the unit and scheme I’m aiming for.


Thanks Paul, that does help. I’ll be sure to paint the propeller black on the back.  I think it’s possible to make many of the skull&bones  50 squadron planes with the decal sheet. I’ll skip the Be2c, but only because I have already built one of those. Currently I’m leaning towards the BE12a mentioned by poster wmcgill in the link below. The downside is of course that I have to make a V12 engine in addition to new wings…


https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235040999-50-sqs-black-be2-nightfighters/#comment-3228592

Sounds like a plan  8)

I seem to remember the be12's wings are the same as the Re8 (which also has a 12 cylinder engine I think) Plenty of old Airfix kits knocking about or Choroszy do a very nice looking model too..
Paul
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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2024, 04:34:50 AM »

Sounds like a plan  8)

I seem to remember the be12's wings are the same as the Re8 (which also has a 12 cylinder engine I think) Plenty of old Airfix kits knocking about or Choroszy do a very nice looking model too..
Paul

Yes, you could take the nose, with engine, and wings from an Re8 and match with the Be2c fuselage and almost have a Be12a. I don’t have an Re8 to spare so I’m stuck with home-made replacements.

This is the raw material by the way:



The following needs to be modified to turn it into a Be12a:
-New wings (same as Be2e and Re8)
-New tailplane (same as Be2e) - can be made by cutting and sanding the kit Be2c tailplane
-New rounded fin (included in the kit as it was used on some Be2c)
-V12 engine instead of V8
-new front to house said engine
-Close the forward (observer’s) cockpit
-some smaller modifications to cockpit, surfaces etc

I’m almost done with the cockpit. First I thinned the sides with a dremel and replaced the frame (itte longerons have a dent on the Be12a). Then I cut up the clunky seat and replaced with one made from recycled soda can, made an instrument panel and stick from scratch.


Before painting:



And after:



The instrument on the tape is the compass which will go on the shelf on the IP.



The cushion is milliput, still a weak spot, I’ve still to be happy with one. A wire is going through the deck on each side; they will connect to the forward cabane strut connection points.

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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2024, 05:10:17 AM »
Awesome start on an interesting conversion! Your interior work looks Great!
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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2024, 07:58:46 AM »
Nice scratch work. Thanks for posting such detailed information on the conversion. 

Tim

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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2024, 06:15:23 PM »
Great start, and it looks like you have quite a bit of work ahead of you. A great project!

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Re: RAF BE2e (or BE12a) - 1/72
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2024, 01:52:54 AM »
Good luck with this one. The BE 2e and 12 variants have been sadly neglected by manufacturers and modellers alike, so it will be really good to see one from your capable hands.

Stephen.