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Offline osterkamp

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jasta 43 fokker
« on: September 18, 2023, 02:31:50 AM »
Work in progress, the first since my retirement, here is my work on the DVII of lt Creutzmann and Raesh of the Jasta 43, the photos were taken in natural light comments, remarks and other criticism are always welcome.

  • if a distinguished member has a solution to make the shade of the lozanges supplied in the kit more realistic, i'm interested.








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Re: jasta 43 fokker
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2023, 05:09:41 AM »
Hi Fred, this looks like a lovely build, I've always really liked that red/white combination! As for the lozenge, it looks pretty good as it is, I'd probably just leave it if it were me :-)

I guess if you're really unhappy with it and have any spare lozenge left over you could always test out some variations by putting a coat of tinted clear over it. Problem is that it would also tint your rib tapes and edging. It's a great looking D.VII, whatever you decide.

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Re: jasta 43 fokker
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2023, 07:25:12 AM »
you're right Dutch I think the wings will stay like this I'll try to improve their shade on another build with 4-color lozange, thx for your comments ;) ;)

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Re: jasta 43 fokker
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2023, 08:47:49 AM »
Nice little Fokker you have there.  One thing I do for toning down bright lozenge colors is to apply a thin wash of burnt umber enamel.  I donít have good luck with acrylic washes because they tend to bead up heavily and donít coat evenly.

Here is an older example on 1/72 build.

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Re: jasta 43 fokker
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2023, 11:14:10 AM »
One thing I do for toning down bright lozenge colors is to apply a thin wash of burnt umber enamel.  I donít have good luck with acrylic washes because they tend to bead up heavily and donít coat evenly.


Hi Tim,
I'm sorry for having to ask a question that is probably really obvious.

What kind of product are you using for this wash of enamel, and how applied?  Brush?  Airbrush?
Thanks,
Rick in Seattle

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Re: jasta 43 fokker
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2023, 11:33:32 AM »
One thing I do for toning down bright lozenge colors is to apply a thin wash of burnt umber enamel.  I donít have good luck with acrylic washes because they tend to bead up heavily and donít coat evenly.


Hi Tim,
I'm sorry for having to ask a question that is probably really obvious.

What kind of product are you using for this wash of enamel, and how applied?  Brush?  Airbrush?
Thanks,
Rick in Seattle

Rick,
Sorry. I should have specified my technique a little more clearly.  I heavily thin down a dark brown enamel color ( usually Model Master burnt umber) with mineral spirits. I apply the wash by wide bristle brush in the direction of flight. It produces a stain on the decal so I have to work in large areas. You wouldnít be able to do half a wing, let it dry and then attempt to finish it later. I apply it after the lozenge decals and rib tapes are set onto the model. I donít think it would work on an unused sheet.

Thanks for your reply.
Tim

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Re: jasta 43 fokker
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2023, 03:01:01 PM »
I love it!
Thanks,
Rick

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Re: jasta 43 fokker
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2023, 06:43:10 PM »
For my next kit, I was thinking of using inks (from AK) to vary the basic shade of the lozanges, because I think Dutch is right if I now alter the shades on the wings, the ribs and national markings will also be affected.
thanks for your attention

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Re: jasta 43 fokker
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2023, 07:19:46 PM »
Nice work on this tiny kit. I assume it is Eduard?
As for losenge shading, I usually do not do it, in my opinion in this scale and with rib tapes it does not bring too much to the effect. You may see my effort on Eduard Fokker D.VII here:

https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=13004.0

 Yet, if I were to do it, I would use preshading (for clear decal losenge) or postshading (for white decal losenge) with rib tapes masked with Aizu masking tape (stripes) and several airbrush passages of a custom mix of clear gloss (10 parts) and black (1 part).
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Re: jasta 43 fokker
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2023, 03:14:46 AM »
yes of course Prezmol it's the Eduard kit, your DVII is superb, a very fine piece of work, I hope to do the same with mine.
regards, Fred

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Re: jasta 43 fokker
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2023, 06:33:41 PM »
Lovely work, this is looking really good. Very nice work on the panels and louvres and subtle chipping/worn effects.

if a distinguished member has a solution to make the shade of the lozanges supplied in the kit more realistic, i'm interested.
The simple answer is to use the Aviattic decals designed specifically for the Eduard kit, see: https://www.aviattic.com/collections/aviattic-fokker-d-vii-decals?filter.p.m.custom.scale=1%2F72

However, it's a bit too late for that now (but use those if you build any more). If you just want to tone down the overall colours to represent the aging of the varnish, a light coat airbrush coat of something like the Army Painter Soft Tone might work. This is a wash but you can spray it unthinned.

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Re: jasta 43 fokker
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2023, 04:59:53 AM »
Thanks Nigel, but I know the lozanges produced by aviattik, I still have the 5-color version in reserve but not the 4-color one, so sometimes you have to make do with what you have!!! That's why I'm asking if a distinguished member had already had to alter the latest eduard lozanges to get a better approximation of the shades
Regards Fred

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Re: jasta 43 fokker
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2023, 08:51:30 AM »
Hi Fred, just as a theoretical exercise I ran part of your photo through Photoshop and applied a transparent layer of olive green (the round color swatch in the center) over the lower wing. At the bottom is the Aviattic lozenge, and it actually came out looking pretty close:



Surprisingly, it didn't change the color of the rib tapes too much. Might be worth experimenting on some spare lozenge decal, if you have any left.

Dutch

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Re: jasta 43 fokker
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2023, 10:04:24 AM »
Hi Fred, just as a theoretical exercise I ran part of your photo through Photoshop and applied a transparent layer of olive green (the round color swatch in the center) over the lower wing. At the bottom is the Aviattic lozenge, and it actually came out looking pretty close:



Surprisingly, it didn't change the color of the rib tapes too much. Might be worth experimenting on some spare lozenge decal, if you have any left.

Dutch

Now that is a cool trick!  Well done. Iíll have to try using that color instead of the brown.

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Re: jasta 43 fokker
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2023, 06:22:00 PM »
That approach with green looks like it might work.........