Gauging interest in a Forum special edition model kit

[macsporran]

Previous comment got me thinking. From memory, the Nie21 married the 11/16 fuselage with the N17 wings.

Unfortunatley not, the 21 was based on the 17 airframe afaik. It used the smaller engine and a similar cowling to the 11.

After typing the above, I pulled out Ray Sanger's Nieuport book to check, as I'd read that recently and, yes, that's where I saw the 21 described as an N11 fuselage with N17 wings.
(Checking the Datafile Specials, JM Bruce rather avoids the issue by calling it a version of the N17 with the 80hp engine.)

I suppose the main visible difference between the 11 and 17 fuselage aft of the cowling, is the 11's cheek panels so maybe it's a pointless debate anyway!
Sandy 

[janh]

yes from me!

[Eric Armstrong]

I am interested.  Count me in!

[NigelR]

After typing the above, I pulled out Ray Sanger's Nieuport book to check, as I'd read that recently and, yes, that's where I saw the 21 described as an N11 fuselage with N17 wings.
(Checking the Datafile Specials, JM Bruce rather avoids the issue by calling it a version of the N17 with the 80hp engine.)

I suppose the main visible difference between the 11 and 17 fuselage aft of the cowling, is the 11's cheek panels so maybe it's a pointless debate anyway!
Sandy

Seems like there's a lot of confusion over this and no plans of the 21 readily available. However, pictures of the 21 appear to show it has a rounded front fuselage section and not the square section of the 11 with the cowling "cheeks". But the RAF Museum website (which has the Nie 21 photo below) still describes it as a Nie 11 fuselage with Nie 17 wings. But the front of the fuselage definitely looks a bit different to the 11 fuselage IMO. I guess we cannot say for sure.....!

It looks like CSM used the same fuselage sprues in the 21 kit as in the 17 kit, so an 11/16 is more likely a future release. But a special edition 21 with "L.....y?" would be of interest to me....

[RAGIII]

If a Limited  edition Forum special kit comes to fruition, I am in No Matter the subject. That being said I would make the following points.
1. Balls Nieuport as well as all of the LaFayette birds really require nothing more than decals. ( Lufberry and Lion figures Excluded)

2. A Special Decal sheet would be cool. Once the Artwork is done it could be offered in 1/48th and 1/72nd thus bringing in more of our forum members who do not model in 1/32nd.

3. If a Special Nieuport 17 Ace kit was issued why not the Guynemer 17 with Aluminum Fuselage and camo wings. It requires a mix of the CSM kits. It also would fit the need for extra parts in that NO Company has ever done the Unique windscreen seen in numerous photos.







To Me this one has it all, Unique Markings, unusual windscreen, and is based on an existing kit. JMHO,
RAGIII

PS: Also some cool fabric patches on wings and tail.

[gary2seater]

After typing the above, I pulled out Ray Sanger's Nieuport book to check, as I'd read that recently and, yes, that's where I saw the 21 described as an N11 fuselage with N17 wings.
(Checking the Datafile Specials, JM Bruce rather avoids the issue by calling it a version of the N17 with the 80hp engine.)

I suppose the main visible difference between the 11 and 17 fuselage aft of the cowling, is the 11's cheek panels so maybe it's a pointless debate anyway!
Sandy

Seems like there's a lot of confusion over this and no plans of the 21 readily available. However, pictures of the 21 appear to show it has a rounded front fuselage section and not the square section of the 11 with the cowling "cheeks". But the RAF Museum website (which has the Nie 21 photo below) still describes it as a Nie 11 fuselage with Nie 17 wings. But the front of the fuselage definitely looks a bit different to the 11 fuselage IMO. I guess we cannot say for sure.....!

It looks like CSM used the same fuselage sprues in the 21 kit as in the 17 kit, so an 11/16 is more likely a future release. But a special edition 21 with "L.....y?" would be of interest to me....

Sanger was wrong in his description of this type.  The Nieuport 21 was essentially the Nieuport 17 minus the Vickers with the 80 hp Le Rhone engine and appropriate cowling, with some changes to the innards absent the gun belt spool.  The N.21 was intended for longer range escort duties wherein speed and firepower were less important than flight time and range, the smaller Le Rhone, being lighter and less thirsty, accommodating the design goal.  I believe a few of the Duks-built N.21s had a synchronized gun but most carried only the wing-mounted Lewis or Hotchkiss.  The intended purpose of the N.21 was probably less important to Duks than a modern design around an available engine.

It is purely speculation on my part, but I imagine Nieuport gave minimal design and tooling effort to the N.21 in response to a solicitation for a relatively small quantity of aircraft.  Hence the N.21 comprised of the N.17 airframe and wings, with only the N.11 cowling as a reversion.  Pilots flying the N.11 were clamoring for the "new" Nieuports and something with a N.11 fuselage would have been, right or wrong, perceived as obsolescent.  Looking at the round, stringer-defined N.17bis/N.24 fuselage that wasn't far off into the future, I can't imagine anyone at Nieuport advocating the N.11 fuselage in response to a solicitation with the N.17 already in production and N.24 almost certainly on the drawing board.

I am glad Edgar seized the opportunity to produce a series of quality kits with so much commonality, yet so many potential schemes.

[uncletony]

I am overdue for a CSM Nieuport, so would be in depending on the subject. Actually not that interested in “famous aces.” More interested in anonymous workhorses. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Pup7309]

Hi here’s an idea based on what others seem to be going for:

Have two aces set Ball and Guynemer

Include all markings and 3D print including main ones for Nieuport 11/
17
And as a bonus do a marking set for Balls Se5’s and Guynemers flying stork Spad’s
That way you could use similar decals but for other kits - Roden / Wingnut Se5 and Roden Spad ( or even better a future CSM Spad- just kidding)

How’s them apples?
Daz

[Lou N]

I'm interested, but it would depend on the subject. I'm currently working on a N17 piloted by an Italian ace.

Lou

[Romad601]

I would be in interested in the Lafayette Escadrille version particularly. Also, the CSM SPAD idea mentioned above sounds really good also.

[KiwiZac]

however, cost would be a factor for me.

And for me, but I'd like to think I'll find a way!

[Whiteknuckles]

And for me, but I'd like to think I'll find a way!

I hear you!!

[Scaleber]

Please count me in, I'd be very interested

[pepperman42]

Late to the dance but I'm in.

Steve

[certainreasons]

I'll second the motion for the Guynemer 17. But I'm in for whatever winds up being chosen.