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Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
« on: January 07, 2021, 11:11:55 PM »
Does anyone have any pictures of the top of this airplane. The red and yellow look very striking. Thank you so much

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Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2021, 11:52:27 PM »
This is the only one I have seen. Perhaps others have more?
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Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2021, 12:10:40 AM »
This is the only one I have seen. Perhaps others have more?
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http://www.fokkerdr1.com/images/Dr1_471-17.jpg

Thank you. That does help.

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Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2021, 12:43:38 AM »
 Pheon Decals, on their sold out Dr.I sheet, shows Pippart's fuselage with a solid yellow disc. Orthochromatic film is not sensitive to both red and yellow so they photograph dark. I can not see even the slightest demarcation line between two different colors on the photo, so it appears to be a solid color. The actual color would be just a guess.

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Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2021, 12:59:18 AM »
Pheon Decals, on their sold out Dr.I sheet, shows Pippart's fuselage with a solid yellow disc. Orthochromatic film is not sensitive to both red and yellow so they photograph dark. I can not see even the slightest demarcation line between two different colors on the photo, so it appears to be a solid color. The actual color would be just a guess.

I can "almost" see another circle but it could also be where the black was painted in a circle around the "Yellow". That being said I would question the use of a marking that would so closely match a Belgian roundel. JMHO. Bob Pearson does do diligent research as does Rowan. In the end who knows  8)
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Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2021, 01:32:25 AM »
Pheon Decals, on their sold out Dr.I sheet, shows Pippart's fuselage with a solid yellow disc. Orthochromatic film is not sensitive to both red and yellow so they photograph dark. I can not see even the slightest demarcation line between two different colors on the photo, so it appears to be a solid color. The actual color would be just a guess.

I can "almost" see another circle but it could also be where the black was painted in a circle around the "Yellow". That being said I would question the use of a marking that would so closely match a Belgian roundel. JMHO. Bob Pearson does do diligent research as does Rowan. In the end who knows  8)
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I am sad to say that it didn't dawn on me until you said that the roundel looks Belgian...  I see more of shift with the circle on the top of the fuselage. Regardless, it is different from the usual Fokker streaky.

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Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2021, 01:34:33 AM »
Pheon Decals, on their sold out Dr.I sheet, shows Pippart's fuselage with a solid yellow disc. Orthochromatic film is not sensitive to both red and yellow so they photograph dark. I can not see even the slightest demarcation line between two different colors on the photo, so it appears to be a solid color. The actual color would be just a guess.

Do you have the set of Pheon decals? I missed these. I wonder what the top of the rear fuselage and tail plane looks like.

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Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2021, 01:45:59 AM »
Pheon Decals, on their sold out Dr.I sheet, shows Pippart's fuselage with a solid yellow disc. Orthochromatic film is not sensitive to both red and yellow so they photograph dark. I can not see even the slightest demarcation line between two different colors on the photo, so it appears to be a solid color. The actual color would be just a guess.

Do you have the set of Pheon decals? I missed these. I wonder what the top of the rear fuselage and tail plane looks like.

Should be standard Jasta 19 markings on the tail. ( Upper and undersurface)


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Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2021, 01:50:48 AM »
Pheon Decals, on their sold out Dr.I sheet, shows Pippart's fuselage with a solid yellow disc. Orthochromatic film is not sensitive to both red and yellow so they photograph dark. I can not see even the slightest demarcation line between two different colors on the photo, so it appears to be a solid color. The actual color would be just a guess.

Do you have the set of Pheon decals? I missed these. I wonder what the top of the rear fuselage and tail plane looks like.

Should be standard Jasta 19 markings on the tail. ( Upper and undersurface)


http://www.fokkerdr1.com/Profiles/Profile_RB9.htm

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Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2021, 07:47:25 AM »
I am looking at doing Pippart’s black Dr.1 in 1/72, using the Eduard kit.  What I think I have  learned so far is that his plane was finished this way:
 
Standard blue undersides for wings and fuselage.   Fuselage sides and top painted a dark color ( black seems likely).  Standard white rudder, with a simple straight-sided cross.  Horizontal tail surfaces in standard Jasta 19 colors of yellow with one broad black stripe on each side.  Cowling is white.   Personal marking was a yellow circle on the fuselage sides and top just aft of the cockpit. (No other markings on the fuselage.)
 
Based on the photo of Pippart next to the plane, I think the wings are the same color as the fuselage- no real signs of Fokker streaking.   I can just see a white-bordered cross on the top wing.   The struts and cabanes both look to be lighter than the wing color- maybe the original light  blue? (Pheon and Bob Pearson both show them black.)
mm high at the “dot spot”, so I’m going to cut a trio of 5mm diameter masks on my Cameo4 cutter.  .

My remaining questions are about the upper surface of the top wing, and the markings on the underside of the bottom wing......
 
Top Wing:
  The Osprey “Fokker Dr.1 Aces” book says Pippart’s plane had a yellow circle on the center of the top wing, but says nothing else about the wing, and doesn’t include a profile drawing.   I think a 5mm dot may be awfully small looking on the top wing-  so I’m leaning towards painting a larger dot that is about half the wing chord...
 
Bottom Wing:  What markings there?  I’m guessing standard markings, assuming it is still in original light blue.
 
 I see that Pheon decals has this plane in their JG II collection sheet (now sold out?) - does anyone know what it shows for the top wing?

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