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Title: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: fredjocko on January 07, 2021, 11:11:55 PM
Does anyone have any pictures of the top of this airplane. The red and yellow look very striking. Thank you so much

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ff336/fredjocko/BP_Fokker_Dr.I_Js19-471_17_Pippart.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: RAGIII on January 07, 2021, 11:52:27 PM
This is the only one I have seen. Perhaps others have more?
RAGIII

http://www.fokkerdr1.com/images/Dr1_471-17.jpg
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: fredjocko on January 08, 2021, 12:10:40 AM
This is the only one I have seen. Perhaps others have more?
RAGIII

http://www.fokkerdr1.com/images/Dr1_471-17.jpg

Thank you. That does help.
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: Berman on January 08, 2021, 12:43:38 AM
 Pheon Decals, on their sold out Dr.I sheet, shows Pippart's fuselage with a solid yellow disc. Orthochromatic film is not sensitive to both red and yellow so they photograph dark. I can not see even the slightest demarcation line between two different colors on the photo, so it appears to be a solid color. The actual color would be just a guess.
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: RAGIII on January 08, 2021, 12:59:18 AM
Pheon Decals, on their sold out Dr.I sheet, shows Pippart's fuselage with a solid yellow disc. Orthochromatic film is not sensitive to both red and yellow so they photograph dark. I can not see even the slightest demarcation line between two different colors on the photo, so it appears to be a solid color. The actual color would be just a guess.

I can "almost" see another circle but it could also be where the black was painted in a circle around the "Yellow". That being said I would question the use of a marking that would so closely match a Belgian roundel. JMHO. Bob Pearson does do diligent research as does Rowan. In the end who knows  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: fredjocko on January 08, 2021, 01:32:25 AM
Pheon Decals, on their sold out Dr.I sheet, shows Pippart's fuselage with a solid yellow disc. Orthochromatic film is not sensitive to both red and yellow so they photograph dark. I can not see even the slightest demarcation line between two different colors on the photo, so it appears to be a solid color. The actual color would be just a guess.

I can "almost" see another circle but it could also be where the black was painted in a circle around the "Yellow". That being said I would question the use of a marking that would so closely match a Belgian roundel. JMHO. Bob Pearson does do diligent research as does Rowan. In the end who knows  8)
RAGIII

I am sad to say that it didn't dawn on me until you said that the roundel looks Belgian...  I see more of shift with the circle on the top of the fuselage. Regardless, it is different from the usual Fokker streaky.
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: fredjocko on January 08, 2021, 01:34:33 AM
Pheon Decals, on their sold out Dr.I sheet, shows Pippart's fuselage with a solid yellow disc. Orthochromatic film is not sensitive to both red and yellow so they photograph dark. I can not see even the slightest demarcation line between two different colors on the photo, so it appears to be a solid color. The actual color would be just a guess.

Do you have the set of Pheon decals? I missed these. I wonder what the top of the rear fuselage and tail plane looks like.
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: RAGIII on January 08, 2021, 01:45:59 AM
Pheon Decals, on their sold out Dr.I sheet, shows Pippart's fuselage with a solid yellow disc. Orthochromatic film is not sensitive to both red and yellow so they photograph dark. I can not see even the slightest demarcation line between two different colors on the photo, so it appears to be a solid color. The actual color would be just a guess.

Do you have the set of Pheon decals? I missed these. I wonder what the top of the rear fuselage and tail plane looks like.

Should be standard Jasta 19 markings on the tail. ( Upper and undersurface)


http://www.fokkerdr1.com/Profiles/Profile_RB9.htm

RAGIII
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: fredjocko on January 08, 2021, 01:50:48 AM
Pheon Decals, on their sold out Dr.I sheet, shows Pippart's fuselage with a solid yellow disc. Orthochromatic film is not sensitive to both red and yellow so they photograph dark. I can not see even the slightest demarcation line between two different colors on the photo, so it appears to be a solid color. The actual color would be just a guess.

Do you have the set of Pheon decals? I missed these. I wonder what the top of the rear fuselage and tail plane looks like.

Should be standard Jasta 19 markings on the tail. ( Upper and undersurface)


http://www.fokkerdr1.com/Profiles/Profile_RB9.htm

RAGIII

Duh!! I obviously need a cup of coffee, its been a long day... Thank you
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: rcboaterbill on March 31, 2021, 07:47:25 AM
I am looking at doing Pippart’s black Dr.1 in 1/72, using the Eduard kit.  What I think I have  learned so far is that his plane was finished this way:
 
Standard blue undersides for wings and fuselage.   Fuselage sides and top painted a dark color ( black seems likely).  Standard white rudder, with a simple straight-sided cross.  Horizontal tail surfaces in standard Jasta 19 colors of yellow with one broad black stripe on each side.  Cowling is white.   Personal marking was a yellow circle on the fuselage sides and top just aft of the cockpit. (No other markings on the fuselage.)
 
Based on the photo of Pippart next to the plane, I think the wings are the same color as the fuselage- no real signs of Fokker streaking.   I can just see a white-bordered cross on the top wing.   The struts and cabanes both look to be lighter than the wing color- maybe the original light  blue? (Pheon and Bob Pearson both show them black.)
mm high at the “dot spot”, so I’m going to cut a trio of 5mm diameter masks on my Cameo4 cutter.  .

My remaining questions are about the upper surface of the top wing, and the markings on the underside of the bottom wing......
 
Top Wing:
  The Osprey “Fokker Dr.1 Aces” book says Pippart’s plane had a yellow circle on the center of the top wing, but says nothing else about the wing, and doesn’t include a profile drawing.   I think a 5mm dot may be awfully small looking on the top wing-  so I’m leaning towards painting a larger dot that is about half the wing chord...
 
Bottom Wing:  What markings there?  I’m guessing standard markings, assuming it is still in original light blue.
 
 I see that Pheon decals has this plane in their JG II collection sheet (now sold out?) - does anyone know what it shows for the top wing?

Comments? Answers?   Thanks for reading this far...

-Bill
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: Brad Cancian on June 05, 2021, 10:54:06 AM
Hi Bill - I have the Pheon set and the markings have a small yellow circle on the decking behind the cockpit, and a larger yellow circle in the centre of the upper wing (about 9mm diameter in 1/72).

Tail is standard Jasta 19 fare - yellow with slanted black stripes.

The old Americal Gryphon sheet for Jasta 19 has the same machine, but with a thin red outline to the circles, with all circles (fuselage and wing) being the same size.

Cheers,

Brad
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: rcboaterbill on December 29, 2022, 12:37:56 PM
Here is how my model turned out…..

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Bills-Stuff/Modelling/n-fK4qbP/ProjectsBuilds/Plastic-models/WW1/Fokker-Dr-1/i-C4kLQc3/0/77ddb6b7/M/IMG_9449-M.jpg)

Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: RAGIII on December 30, 2022, 08:25:45 AM
Awesome! Looks Beautiful!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: rhwinter on December 30, 2022, 04:54:31 PM
Oh, yes, that's a beautiful Dreidecker! And I am happy to see a „new“ Dr.1-scheme.
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: Berman on December 31, 2022, 03:42:28 AM
 What ever happened to the website www.fokkerdr1.com ?
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: Brad Cancian on December 31, 2022, 07:07:18 AM
What ever happened to the website www.fokkerdr1.com ?

Great question - it was up and running just fine earlier this year as I was using it for reference material for my 1/48 Dr1 build, then it just disappeared. Does anyone know who runs it?

Cheers,

BC
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: RAGIII on December 31, 2022, 07:56:03 AM
What ever happened to the website www.fokkerdr1.com ?

Great question - it was up and running just fine earlier this year as I was using it for reference material for my 1/48 Dr1 build, then it just disappeared. Does anyone know who runs it?

Cheers,

BC

The Owner Lloyd Lachernacht ( I am sure I screwed the last name) Closed it down himself. I don't remember if it was health, or personal reasons.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: WD on January 15, 2023, 08:48:27 AM
All,
    Lloyd has been battling cancer for the last two years, and he's got some other serious health issue now. He and his family are really scrabbling, and I contributed to a GoFundMe campaign to get them a place to live. Lloyd has never quit work during all of this. He is truly a fount of knowledge when it comes to Dr.I's and had brought a lot of joy and education to all of us in the past few years as a result.

If you are of a mind, here's the link for his GoFundMe: https://www.gofundme.com/f/Fight-This-Battle-With-Lloyd  (Admins, if this is out of line, please remove, and my apologies.)

Warren
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: WD on January 17, 2023, 01:02:55 AM
Forumites,
                 Here is a thread Lloyd made on The Aerodrome some time back on MvR's all red Tripe:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71271&highlight=425%2F17+markings

As I find more, I'll post them if you want.

Warren
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: RAGIII on January 17, 2023, 02:15:02 AM
Thanks Warren!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Pippart's Fokker Dr.1
Post by: WD on January 17, 2023, 02:38:46 AM
Thanks Warren!
RAGIII

Y'all are most welcome. I miss Lloyd's website too, and I hope and pray for his full recovery so he can bless us with that info again.

Warren