Lloyd C.V 1/32 Scratch Build Project

[bobs_buckles]

A pleasure to behold 
Keep up the great work, Bob!

Cheers,
Bob

[ALBATROS1234]

coming along really well. thanks for building it. now wnw will release one next year. if they dont perhaps i can pay you for a vac of the fuselage.

[rhallinger]

Ahhh, Alby, you figured out my master plan!  I hope WNW is watching.

Thanks for the kind word guys.  I'll be doing some heavy duty sanding on the top wings tonight, but that will be it for a few days, as I'll be on the road.

I'm pleased with my progress thus far, and it's beginning to look like a Lloyd, but I still have the tough fiddly stuff ahead---center beam cabane struts, three wing struts per side, and landing gear.  Gulp!   I'll need to craft some jigs to get all of this lined up too.   Lots to do before April 29th!

Regards,

Bob

[rhallinger]

Alby, I missed the second part of your message.  I would be happy to furnish you with a vac Lloyd fuselage, if only I still had the master!    Being a neophyte to vacuforming, I made two fundamental mistakes: first, I used balsa rather than basswood for the master; second, I used Krylon rattle can paint to seal the fuselage master.  Big mistake!  The heated plastic melted the Krylon and fused the master to the vac styrene shell during molding.   I literally had to chisel out the balsa master in a myriad of pieces to free up the molded fuselage!  Arrrghh!  Well, at least I learned how not to do it, and the silver lining is that at least I got one good useble fuselage molding.   My early travails are on display earlier in this thread, in all their gory detail.

We're just going to have to wait on WNW, or someone with more sense than me to properly mold a Lloyd fuselage.

Regards,

Bob

[ALBATROS1234]

i was half joking, although i love the lloyd cv , i built the special hobby 1/48 one and liked it so much i bought another to build it again later. its kinda birdlike wings, unique in that it has the veneer covering and has that cool hansa brand looking rudder with taubish elevators. a 1/32 version would be nice. plus i am a big a-h fan. i really hope wnw does an aviatik berg d1. think of all the great schemes for that one.a h.b. c.1 would be great too.

[rhallinger]

I concur entirely Alby.  I would really like to see more A-H aircraft in 1/32---they're so interesting!  I got hooked on the Lloyd when I saw a scratch-built 1/48 model online, and then a couple of SH kit build logs.  It is a beautiful and graceful aircraft, IMHO, and the mahogany veneer is just so different from anything else.  Yeah, the wings.  What great lines!  I'm currently sanding the top wings to the proper airfoil taper and shape, and they are really cool.  I think you'll enjoy seeing them finally in wood finish (I certainly will!).  This will be a Series 82 WKF-built machine, and will have the wing crosses on white fields.  It should look pretty good.    

Do you have pics of your Lloyd posted anywhere?  I'd love to see it.

I had never scratchbuilt an airplane before, but Des's build logs for the Voisin and Taube sort of inspired me, and when I saw Ken Galloway enter the 2-seater Group Build with a scratchbuilt AEG, I threw caution to the wind and jumped in with the Lloyd.  I'm learning a great deal and improving skills with this project, so it's been enjoyable, and seeing the Lloyd come together is very satisfying.  That said, I'm still hoping for a WNW to fulfill the modelers' corollary to Murphy's Law--if you scratchbuild it, a klt will be released within 12 months.   Like I said before, I'd really like to do an Austro-Daimler powered Lloyd in Autumn mottle camoflage.

Regards,

Bob

[mgunns]

Hello Bob:

A special tip of the hat and hats off to you for breaking ground on this kit.  Providing the prophesy will come true, in about 12 months from hence, we should see a production kit of this, hopefully by WNW.  You are to be commended for breaking this ground for the rest of us modelers who sit back and marvel at your craftsmanship and "daring".
I agree, the A/H a/c certainly have their place in the scheme of things, are unique both in appearance and marking.  With all the Focke Wulfe, Messerschmit, Mustangs out there it would be nice to see a manufacturer put out one of these.

Best

Mark

[ALBATROS1234]

no pics of my lloyd online. its actually not 100% complete(as are a bunch of my stuff) i seem to get sidetracked into other projects. i love so many diff types and have short attn span i suppose.as to why i generally dont post too much of my stuff. for one i dont have a good enuff camera to take high quality shots. another reason is due to my random nature of working on diff stuff always i dont think my build logs would be anything but annoying to others. i would post a few steps than stop working on that kit for 6months or a year and i would end up with a bunch of disconected unfinished build logs. i would rather just occasionally post some pics of completed stuff or in some cases post things for opinions as i did with my dr.1 a while back. i am feverishly trying to complete a few for my local ipms contest so after that i will most likely post the stuff i enter. i too am inspired by des's scratch builds and now by yours and kens. i am thinking of dipping a toe in the scratch waters. thinking 1/32 halberstadt d.ii.

[rhallinger]

I understand completely Alby.  Of my first six builds, I had to stop part way through and do something else, based more on frustration than anything else.  After completing another kit, I was able to come back fresh and finally get the other ones completed.  I also have a rather large stash of 1/48 WWII kits that are yelling in my ear for attention, and I've just got to start gettng some of my 1/32 pilot/ground crew figures painted at some point, and . . . .

Regards,

Bob

[rhallinger]

Weekly update time folks.  I have made some progress, although it may not be readily apparent.  The top wings took a good deal of sanding, and adding the battans was a slow process.  The airfoil shape may not be perfect, as there appears to be a somehat flat portion in the center, but they look similar enough to photos of 1/48  Lloyds that I am satisfied with them.  As soon as the battans are finished and sanded this weekend, I will prime and paint the wings in prep for the oil wood grain finsh.  Here are the wings on the workbench:



The horizontal stabilizer and fin are in the background, simple triangles.  I still need to cut out and shape the scalloped rudder, elevators and ailerons, which will all be CDL.

I've also reached the point where I need to think things through carefully regarding fabrication of remaining components and planning jigs for same and for final assembly.  I'm also working on certain details such as landing gear and the cabane strut assembly.  Much of this invovles noodle work, sketching and making notes, with some trial and error experimentation with various materials I think might work for a certain components. 

I have come fairly far with the landing gear.  The struts are finished, except for insertion of 1.2 mm brass pins to connect to the fuselage, and a brass wire step on the front port strut that I still need to add.  The axel will be a length of 1.5 mm brass tube, bungee lashed to the struts, and wheels will be a spare set from a Roden Albatros kit that match the size and appearance from my plans.  I will need to fabricate a fairing around the axel as well.





I also made some fuselage louvre vents from leftover .005 strip styrene from the battans:



I will need to make a master for the prop spinner and vacuform that as well.  Doug Craner's wooden Jaray prop should arrive next week.

I have now made a list of all of the things I still need to do.  It's fairly lengthy.   Yikes!  Only two months to go!  Scratchbuilding is very satisfying, but having to fabricate parts that I would usually just cut off the sprue can be annoying sometimes!   It's really just a matter of how much longer everything takes.  I'd better get back to work now.

Regards,

Bob

[GAJouette]

  Bob,
Outstanding update my friend. Your wings are quite impressive as is.I'm very much interested in seeing them finished with the wood graining applied.Her landing gear is looking excellent as well. I absolutely love those engine cooling louvers, how were they fabricatated? From the photo I can't tell if they're build up  or made using the heat and mash method. Either way they look great and will add much to the detail of the fuselage. Keep up the Outstanding works and it's pure pleasure following this project saga.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette

[pepperman42]

Very solid work!! Great engineering. You should be very satisfied with the results and I look forward to the next installment.

Steve

[Checkers67]

What happened to your photos? They are gone. I noticed this on a J.I thread as well?
 
Steve

[rhallinger]

Hi Steve.  The photos are all here on my thread.  Not sure what's going on.  I use photobucket to post.  Any one else having a problem?

Regards,

Bob

[uncletony]

Looks ok here.. Sometimes photobucket hiccups...