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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: lcarroll on September 07, 2016, 09:20:34 AM
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I've been waiting for the arrival of some After Market parts and delayed opening the Log for this Build. In the interim I've got a good start on the project and will bring it up to date over several entries. I also started the Wingnut Wings Hansa Brandenburg W.12 for the Group Build and will be doing the two roughly in parallel, a first for me. (you are a bad influence, RAG III!)
I've elected the same scheme as on the Kit Box, Capt Billy Bishop's Ni. 17 while with 60 Squadron RFC at Filescamp Farm in France in July 1917.
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I have a good supply of references for the Build:
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After Market additions to the Kit will be the Mastercaster's Cockpit Resin Detail Set and also their cowling and corrected wheel set. Additionally the Tom's Modelworks Photo Etch Detail Set, a gift from a fellow Forumite.
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Finally I'll be using masks for the markings in lieu of decals; this set from Mal at Miracle Masks. This step will be another first for me.
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I'll publish the next update later today or tomorrow and continue them until caught up to real time. Given my occasional "fits of age induced ditziness" don't be surprised should this double Build event result in the HB.12's floats getting mounted on this Nieuport or Bishop's markings on Christiansen's H.B.!! :o :-[ Just be polite and gentle if required................
Cheers,
Lance
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Ahh, it seems that you have all ingredients to cook an other gourmet meal for us. I will watch with interest.
Manni
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Good luck with the double build, Lance!
I have trouble with one let alone two!!
Looking forward to seeing your updates.
vB ;)
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Sorry Lance ::) That being said I am looking forward to following along on this one as well as the already started W12!
RAGIII
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A nice choice and a great collection of reference material and AM goodies bodes well for the makings of yet another masterpiece Lance ;)
I'm with Von Bob though - I don't think I could cope with double vision :D
Looking forwards to further updates
Regards - Tug
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Thanks for your encouraging comments Guys. As for keeping up with the challenges of a Double Build, only time will tell! :-\
Cheers,
Lance
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Time for another update to get this Thread caught up to the Build; only a few more required.
This is a very simple little kit, the total parts numbering around two dozen. The basic molding is good, measurements and accuracy quite reasonable, and it provides a good platform to produce a decent model of the subject. Detail is lacking however, and thus the large number of A/M bits to be accompanied by some scratched additions. Last, I find the plastic difficult to work with. Unlike the soft easily worked plastic in Roden and Wingnut's offerings it is extremely hard and very brittle; care must be taken to avoid breakage, especially with the more delicate parts.
I started with removing the basic parts from their sprues, a lot of flash, ejector pin marks, and molding marks had to be cleaned up. Control surfaces were separated from the component parts and the secondary wing "riblets" along the top leading edges were sanded down to reduce their exaggerated profiles. The main rib tapes were left as was, they appear well done as represented.
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The frame work represented on the rudder was removed as it is far too exaggerated, this detail can be represented with a little post shading at the painting stage.
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The fuselage foot step was carved out and cleaned up, the "Tom's" Photo Etch set has a metal outline for it to be added later.
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I also removed the molded internal bracing wires etc from the insides of the fuselage and cleaned up the pin marks etc., before and after left to right here.
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The strut fairings on the under surfaces of the lower wings were far too small; they were shaved off and replaced with scratch versions made with scrap from my Evergreen "bundle".
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Last at this stage was the stitching on the forward fuselage, a detail I puzzled over for days. Options included leaving them as is (unrealistic appearance IMHO), Photo etch, which I judged out of scale and lacking in relief, and finally the real thing, hand stitched through 78 drilled out rivets. Inspired by Greg's success in his Build I chose the latter and am quite happy with the results. I'll add the "flap" that covers to top portion of this detail at the finishing stage.
Here's the stitching as on the Kit......
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Stitching in progress with holes drilled and rivets "raised" with a little work with a sharp pin. Line is 0.12mm Maxima Chameleon.
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And the finished version........
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Next update, the engine and I should be back to a real time footing.
Cheers,
Lance
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This will be a terrific project, Lance! You're off to a brilliant start with the stitching. Very cool.
Cheers,
Bud
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I am most definitely looking forward to this as I'm building something similar. Already you've done things I would never have thought of. Brilliant work
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A great start on this one, Lance! I'm really going to enjoy the progress... Regards, Marc.
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Hi Lance,
Another build to follow I see :) Good luck and I will be watching you :)
Best regards,
Sasho
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Many Thanks gents, your comments are very much appreciated! Progress will be slow as I switch between this and the W.12 Build unless I "shelve" one and concentrate on the other. For now I hope to press on with both.
Cheers,
Lance
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here's the next retro update and final one I hope, then I can start working in real time. I considered an after market engine but given it's a Le Rhone 9 with not much detail visible once cowled and very little detail on the face I decided to improve the Kit's very basic version. The Kit engine comes in 4 pretty "rough" pieces.......
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After a lot of clean up the crankcase was assembled and the valves were removed from the intake sides of the cylinders and replaced by Taurus valves from the scrap box.
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Taurus valves and springs in place.....
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At this point the basic painting was done, the copper exhaust manifolds added, spare Taurus valve lifters added and Taurus short version spark plugs replaced the "stubs" molded on the cylinders.
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Following that step I scratched an ignition wire race for the back of the engine, added the plug wiring, and installed the new stainless (guitar wire) push rods to the previously drilled out brass lifter fittings at the bottom end and some scrap Taurus upper lifter fittings at the top end.
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Finally here's a front and back view if the finished and "dirtied" Le Rhone.
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I've thanked Wonder Dog for the generous donation of his DNA in this last shot and removed the hair when he wasn't watching!
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And that Folks, brings me up to date on progress thus far. Having received the Mastercaster's Sets ordered from Hannants I'll now start on the cockpit portion of the Build. I'll be leaning heavily on the experience gained by many of you here who have completed this Kit prior, and really appreciate access to your experiences. :)
Cheers!
Lance
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The work you have done so far is superb Lance, excellent job with the stitching and the engine has ended up looking brilliant, this will be a build I will be following closely.
Des.
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That's a very nice result for a basic kit supplied engine Lance. I particularly like that coppery finish on the intake (?) tubes - what paint did you use and was it brushed or sprayed? Neat trick with those stitching holes too, very effective.
What with you and Rick doing multiple builds my desire to get back at the bench as soon as possible has been given a real boost ;) - Won't be long now :)
Regards - Tug
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Magical work on an engine that lends itself nicely to replicating a muddy sock, Lance. Your patience and skill are remarkable.
Cheers,
Bud
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Des, Tug, and Bud,
Thanks, I much appreciate your kind and encouraging remarks. Tug, the copper is Mr. Metal Colour, hand brushed and with a wash of Winsor Newton Lampblack. This line is an outstanding product but very hard to get in Canada. No one will ship the stuff as it's lacquer based. When I see it (a rare occasion) I grab several bottles, their copper and stainless steel are exceptional.
Cheers,
Lance
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Your work on the stitching and engine are nothing short of Brilliant as others have said! Watching your work is a humbling experience ;D I eagerly await the next update!!
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick. I'm not sure my work is as humbling as you say, but I certainly appreciate your support and comment! So tell me, how is modelling after a Double Build?? :o :P
Cheers,
Lance
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That's really beautiful, Lance! I'll be following this build - also because I have a Nieuport in the stash, too, although it's Roden's Ni 24. I wasn't aware of Mastercaster's Cockpit-set yet and am wondering, whether it would fit Roden's. Nieuports too? Anyone here on the forum, who has used this set with a Nieuport from Roden?
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You never fail to impress, Lance!
Keep up the great work!!!
von B 8)
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Thanks for the heads up on the paint Lance - I'll look into getting some to add to the arsenal :) We have a show coming up shortly so will look for it.
Have you tried the AK Extreme Metal paints? I bought a couple to try a while back and, as a confirmed Alclad user, was really surprised just how superb they are to use. I haven't used them on a model but did do a test piece and it flowed through the airbrush 'like cream' - beautiful finish straight out of the jar. They are enamel based so I spayed a coat of Alclad over to see if it would have the usual effect of lacquer over enamel but none was evident. It certainly appears impressive stuff so will certainly add more to the collection in coming days.
I concur with VB :D
Regards - Tug
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Lance, you show here again an outstanding work, the stitching is superb and the engine looks terrific, too.
Regarding the colours I have send you a PM.
Cheers, Manni
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Tug,
Confirm-mative! Mr Metal Color is excellent paint.
I hand brush it on exhausts and engine blocks and 5 minutes later It's good to buff with a cotton bud - simples!
I need more!!
Von B 8)
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Thanks V Bob
You know I have a sneaking feeling I may have some (but not copper or brass) tucked in the 'metallic drawer' somewhere - I'm afraid I'm a compulsive purchaser on this sort of thing - only in a drip fed manner but often buying what I already have (age thing I guess ::))
I guess some will recognise that malaise :D
Tug
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Lovely work on the Le Rhone, Lance.
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That's really beautiful, Lance! I'll be following this build - also because I have a Nieuport in the stash, too, although it's Roden's Ni 24. I wasn't aware of Mastercaster's Cockpit-set yet and am wondering, whether it would fit Roden's. Nieuports too? Anyone here on the forum, who has used this set with a Nieuport from Roden?
I doubt that the set would fit as I have actually test fitted the Roden components in a Hobbycraft kit. The Academy/Hobby Craft Ni17 is wider.. Also the 17 has those wood sides whereas the 24 is fabric over stringers to get the curved shape. Parts of it may work such as the seat, throttle and support, stick etc. I would stick with Rodens basics and look for PE enhancements. JMHO,
RAGIII
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Your work on the engine and stitching is really brilliant, I will follow this built with great interest.
Cheers
Giuseppe.
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That's really beautiful, Lance! I'll be following this build - also because I have a Nieuport in the stash, too, although it's Roden's Ni 24. I wasn't aware of Mastercaster's Cockpit-set yet and am wondering, whether it would fit Roden's. Nieuports too? Anyone here on the forum, who has used this set with a Nieuport from Roden?
I doubt that the set would fit as I have actually test fitted the Roden components in a Hobbycraft kit. The Academy/Hobby Craft Ni17 is wider.. Also the 17 has those wood sides whereas the 24 is fabric over stringers to get the curved shape. Parts of it may work such as the seat, throttle and support, stick etc. I would stick with Rodens basics and look for PE enhancements. JMHO,
RAGIII
Thank you for the info, RAG!
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Thanks All for your much appreciated comments and encouragement.
The Mastercaster's Set does not, apparently, fit the Kit like a glove however I have the advantage of having at least 3 Build Logs by Members here to draw from; Greg, Adam, and Antonio have all been down this winding "bunny trail" already and their Build Threads here are a wealth of information.
Tug, I haven't tried the AK Paints however I did see their results at a Show recently; a fellow had done a modern jet in various metal tones and it was a real hit, probably the best metal finish I've ever seen. As for buying things twice, or once and mis-placing them, I am sadly familiar with both experiences......... :-[ :-[
Manni, thank you for the kind offer, I'll keep it in mind. I have a source in Edmonton that has an, albeit intermittent, supply of the stuff and I recently stocked up again. They won't ship the paint but they do hold it for me if I request it; variety is often a problem however.
I'll have to spend some effort on cleaning up the Mastercaster's components, some bits are a little rough. I've also got HB.12 parts all over the place here and a family event this weekend that draws us away from home for several days, hopefully I'll remember I've started this project when we return! :-\
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance, I already found this and must say how great to see you building this kit! I think one never can have enough Nieuports and this one in its Italieri box with Pere Dorme markings has a prominent place in my to do list. I too have the mastercaster sets and I am very happy to be able to follow your progress closely. I will shamelessly copy your clever way to represent the fuselage stitching and I really love how you reworked the fabric covered surfaces. I've seen this kit built by people who changed the cockpit opening. Are you planning to do that?
Best wishes
Borsos
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Borsos,
I had read earlier somewhere that the cockpit opening needs modification but I can't remember where. It looks too wide to me, do you have specific information or a reference? As for the stitching and cockpit etc. please use whatever you wish, that's why I post all of my Builds, to share! On this one I'm drawing from Greg, Adam, and Andonio's Builds as well.
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance, thank you. Yes, I was talking about this built: http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?showtopic=26700 But this guy even widens the cockpit opening.
Borsos
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Borsos,
Thank you, I had not seen this one, and it will be very helpful, I will make the change. It also cleared up some confusion I had regarding the indented portion of the underside of the fuselage just behind the engine and also a hint as to how to approach modifying the cowling joins from top to sides. Great article, really appreciate your sharing here!
Cheers,
Lance
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Some plastic cutting has been completed since the last activity; The forward lower fuselage has been modified to provide the exhaust channel not molded in the Kit. The opening is as follows, and will be covered with either an aluminum or brass shaped panel or, second choice, plastic.
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.........and the cutout completed:
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As suggested by Borsos I compared the cockpit opening to the drawings in the references; some modification was indicated. The pencil lines show my version of the correction required:
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......and here's the finished version:
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At this point I commenced modification of the Mastercaster's Resin components for the cockpit module removing the internal bracing wires which will be replaced by proper rigged versions. The top is untouched, the bottom is partially completed:
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.....and last the floor portion with the exhaust channel molded on it was modified to make it fit without interfering with the scratch built version for the exterior.
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....and with the channel removed. The wire cross braces on the floor portion were left untouched as they are covered by the seat and frames once installed.
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These last components have since been given a coat of light wood base acrylic and will receive oil wood grain tomorrow.
Cheers,
Lance
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More nice progress there Lance - you are giving me a right real dose of withdrawal symptoms ;)
I've not seen or used Mastercaster products before - how are you finding them as those panels appear to be quite 'heavy' on the details. Or is that just the way they have photographed - digi pics do show up the slightest anomaly that's for sure.
Looking forwards to seeing this come together - I promised myself a 'silver one' when doing my last - so will watch your build with interest.
Regards - Tug
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Tug,
The Resin parts are very rough; if you award the Taurus or Aviattic Resin products a score of 10 on a scale of 10 as I would then these would rate a 4 or at most a 5. Admittedly this is one set and one modeller's assessment however others have expressed disappointment in the product as well. I'm going to see how some shading and highlighting work out; should that turn out to be a "bust" I'll be removing some of the details and adding some scratch built ones to the basic parts. It's a slow go either way........ :-\
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
you are now on a point, were the standard modeler stops and the advanced modeler starts his real work.
I know in the end it will turn out as an other gem.
Manni
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Thanks for the info Lance, it will be interesting to see if painting improves the effect of the detail.
As a user of several of the 'Aires' detail up parts in the past I have to confess they do look as you describe :( Still,as Manni says this is where the real enjoyment of modelling begins so good luck with the rest of the build, I'm sure you will turn it into yet another Lance 'Gem' ;)
Regards - Tug
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Manni and Tug,
Thanks for the encouraging comments, I'm tied up with real world issues for a few days and hope to get at this again real soon. It will be interesting to see how the painting and shading exercise works out; I suspect there will be a bit of modification and scratched additions required to bring this stuff "up to snuff"! :-\ :o
Cheers,
Lance
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Your corrections are looking spot on Lance. No surprise there !
RAGIII
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Thanks for looking Rick, and for the comment! It's certainly a "work in progress" Build at this point. ???
Cheers,
Lance
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Hi Lance:
I like your stitching work. It really enhances that part of the fuselage. I think the molded on stitching is a nice touch by Hobby Craft, but; your "real" stitching certainly adds interest. The engine work is up to your usual standards as well. It's amazing what a little extra effort does to the engine. I started following your build as I was curious to see what you thought of the Master Casters interior. I would never have thought to cut out the exhaust channel. Nicely done. Hard to believe it's been almost a year since CAPCON and we saw that model with the nice metal finish.
I am looking forward to your next update, as I have this kit and will do it at "sometime."
Until that time
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Thanks Gunny, nice to see you in print again! I twigged on the exhaust channel through Greg's (GAJouette) Build Log, and I think it was Borsos that provided a link to a good illustration of how it all comes together, the usual and much appreciated assistance of fellow modellers here!
I know you'll be pretty tied up until you move into that new home in the desert; we need to shame Chris into entering the Group Build with that hunk of iron he's working on!
Cheers,
Lance
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Great work so far. Just pointing out all the things I didn't do is very educational. Re the Mastercaster kit I was very disappointed with it and had to sand the walls down to stop them being obtrusive amongst so other mods but as they mostly won't be seen in the end I wasn't too fussed. As has been mentioned I doubt I'd give them more than 5/10 compared with other resin AM add ons I've used.
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Toby,
I've gone back to your Build Thread numerous times to confirm some of the Mastercaster's details regarding "fit"; when you say you sanded down the walls was the interior module too narrow or too wide to fit the inside of the fuselage properly? I'm pleased I'm not the only one to find the set less then perfect! :-\
Cheers,
Lance
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Toby,
I've gone back to your Build Thread numerous times to confirm some of the Mastercaster's details regarding "fit"; when you say you sanded down the walls was the interior module too narrow or too wide to fit the inside of the fuselage properly? I'm pleased I'm not the only one to find the set less then perfect! :-\
Cheers,
Lance
They were too wide. The top was easily visible and protruded making them look very much an aftermarket addition and not part of the fuselage itself if you get my meaning?. It was easier to sand them down than the fuselage interior itself.
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That's very helpful, Toby, I couldn't get an accurate impression dry fitting the assembly when taped together. I think I'll build it as an assembled "module" per the plans and then sand & file to get a decent fit from that point. Several of the Builds here discard the set and go full Scratch Build on the interior, and for good reason! Thanks for the feed back!
Cheers,
Lance
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Those look really good improvements that you are making there. It surprises me that so many things need correcting on these larger kits - so much easier to get it right when its bigger I would have thought!
Excellent modelling Lance - and very useful to anyone else who wants to attempt a Nieuport in any scale.
Stephen.
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I am also very grateful to hear about your experiences with the Master casters set. It's sad to see how problematic it is to use. But the progress on the model is actually impressing, the correction of the cockpit opening, the stitching and the exhaust channel in particular. It is a joy to follow and will be a really helpful threat when it comes to my Nieuport 17.
Best wishes
Borsos
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Stephen,
Thanks for taking a look and for your generous comments. Like many of the less "elaborate" Kits on the market this one is not without it's shortcomings, you get what you pay for as the old adage goes. On the better side of the coin I always enjoy a challenge when it comes to a Build, and this one is cooperating very nicely! I think it will produce a pretty good model, just going to take some (or perhaps more then just some!) extra effort!
Borsos,
The Mastercaster's Set is still, in my judgement, better then none. It supplies a good base for the cockpit and, if the fit works out, will add a great deal to the model. I managed to get the wood grain and a coat of Clear Orange on the major components so there's still some progress happening; I should be able to work on some of the fine detail and internal rigging starting fresh tomorrow.
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
Wow outstanding work my old friend. I love your upgrades,well done. Keep up the high standards of excellence . Looking forward to the next awesome update.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Lance,
Sorry forgot to add that if I build another Nieuport 17 I'll use either the Lone Star interior set or just scratch it myself.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Thank you Greg, much appreciate your comments!
At this point I think "scratching" the cockpit would be the way to go. I'm looking forward to completing the assembly and seeing how it fits the fuselage........ :-\ That will determine the "rating" on the interior set.
Cheers,
Lance
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It's been almost a month since I last updated this project, hard to believe how fast the time slips by as the "real world" imposes itself on leisure time!
The Mastercaster Cockpit module is nearly complete after a fair amount of modification and additions. The major components were finished individually and are now being assembled.
I started with the resin seat from the Mastercaster set, removing the molded resin belts which proved a bit tricky and required some "reconstructive surgery" afterwards. Once painted and detailed I added some spare HGW belts.
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The floor and back panel were done next, standard woodgrain done with Tamiya acrylic wood base (a mix of their Desert Yellow and Deck Tan) with Winsor Newton Burnt Sienna Oil grain and a light coat of thinned Tamiya Clear Orange. Rudder control cables were added with very fine Invisible Mending Thread. Finally some dirt and scuffing were added to the floor and foot boards using pastel weathering powders.
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Next came the fuel tank, firewall, and plywood ammunition boxes assembly.
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I next tackled the side walls which had been previously cleaned up by removing the molded internal bracing wires and rescribed to emphasize the veneer planking of their construction. A combination of Gaspatch Turnbuckles, Bob's Buckles, and 0.12mm Mono provided for the replacement internal frame braces.
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The throttle frame support on the port sidewall proved a little bit of an "adventure". I had added copper piping and details to the Mastercaster one, completed the painting, and put it on the desk while I decanted a few drops of CA to mount it. I have no idea of how or why it was gone only minutes later, but almost 2 hours of searching the entire work space, then the entire room, my clothing, (even "Wonder Dog" got frisked!) failed to locate it, and it has not been seen since! It was replaced by a semi scratch built one using the kit throttle, mounting plate from the Tom's Model Works PE Set, and copper wire and sprue.
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And that completed all of the sub assemblies......
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Here's 3 shots of the partially assembled module which appears to be a decent fit in the fuselage. The indented circular molding just behind the rudder pedals has me baffled, it seems a logical place for a compass perhaps, but I'll have to do another reference search to hopefully clear up the mystery. The instructions are very poor, if anyone can advise me of what it is for before I close this one up I'd be eternally grateful!
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And that's where she's at for now, hopefully it won't be another month before I do the next update!
Cheers,
Lance
Addendum: I've just answered my own question above concerning the hole in the floor just behind the rudder pedals; a photo in Greg's Blog shows its for a vertical frame member not shown on the Mastercaster's Instructions, an easy addition and Thanks Greg!
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Outstanding work, looking forward to your next update.
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Looking good Lance. I think the round bit is where the spent shell "tube" goes to exit the aircraft.
Kevin
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Terrific work Lance! Love those wood tones, and the rigging detail is truly exceptional.
Cheers,
Gary
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Beautiful Lance,
The engine is outstanding...
Guy
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Thanks Juan 27!
Could be Kevin, although a single over the wing Lewis on a Foster Mounting was common. I'm not sure if the ammo boxes were left in these machines either but the British ones had the Vickers and it's interrupter gear removed in favour of the single Lewis Gun option. I'm hoping one of our Nieuport "Specialists" has an answer........
Cheers,
Lance
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Gary and Guy,
Thanks for looking and for the generous comments.
Cheers,
Lance
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Wow, the interior detail & overall look is fantastic!
Steve
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Been a while since I last checked in but I am glad I did, you have done an amazing job with the cockpit interior, the wood colours are excellent and your attention to detail is incredible, this is turning into a real gem.
Des.
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Lance,
Stunning work on the interior! Everything looks beautiful, especially the wood tones.
RAGIII
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Steve, Des, and Rick,
Thanks for your much appreciated comments. Next step is final assembly of the interior cockpit module and then closing her up!
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
Looking forward to seeing more of this little gem soon. Until then keep up the excellence my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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I'm always impressed with your modelling prowess, Lance. Well done!
I'm looking forward to seeing more from this build in the near future.
vB :)
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Thanks Greg and von B, the cockpit goes final today hopefully, however I`m side tracked a bit on the cowling which is receiving some modifications........
Photos to follow soon.
Cheers,
Lance
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Wow, this is a brilliant cockpit, very nicely done! I'll keep this beauty in mind when it comes to my Nieuport. (Something in the back of my head whispers that it's time to do another Nieuport...) I especially like your work on the seat including the spare HGW belts. That's a real eyecatcher. But the interior rigging is just awesome as well!
Borsos
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Hi Lance
Just looked in - taking a break from decorating and needing a forum fix ;) Looks like you've given yet another one the old magic Lance touch - that cockpit is looking superb. I'm with Des on those wood tones.
Looking forwards to more in coming days, keep up that momentum
Regards - Tug
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Spectacular work on the innards, Lance. I especially like the way you reworked the side panels. Awesome!
Cheers,
Bud
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Fantastic work on the cockpit. Puts mine in the shadows.
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Outstanding work, looking forward to your next update.
This says it all - in spades!!
Stephen.
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The super- detailed cockpit is superb Lance! The woodgrain looks very convincing! Great work and keep it up!
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Many Thanks All, for your complimentary comments, it means a lot to hear encouragement from your Forum mates and I very much appreciate hearing from you!
I'm afraid any productive time available today was spent cleaning up the property and the driveway after an early snow event; we've actually been cursed with two pretty significant snow storms in the past week and I'm already tired of the winter drudgery :( >:( Like Tug I'm also involved in household chores, for some reason it's what I like to refer to as a "Handyman Week", we've had two items fail so far this week and it's only Monday! As a result my model activities are replaced by adventures in amateur plumbing and heating repair, gotta just love it! I'll try to finish off the cowling mods and the cockpit tomorrow and get a few photos posted as well.
Cheers,
Lance
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Top class interior, Lance. Lovely paint job, very fine detailing. I like it very much.
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Thank you Prze, your comments are very much appreciated. :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance, the wood looks superb and the details are great. I love it.
Manni
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Great work Lance I love the wood finish and interior rigging.
Cheers, Medic ;D
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Thanks Manni and Medic, very much appreciated! Looks like another day of house repair duties here, too much work and not enough play is starting to impact adversely on my sense of humour! (and I'm supposedly retired!! :o)
Cheers,
Lance
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Ditto to all the above, excellent interior !
Ed
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Lance,
Great work!!! My son's hockey is pretty much 12 months a year now so I don't get to look in much but when I do I see amazing work!!!
Steve
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oh, so neat on the detail, the colors are very convincing.
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Lovely work, so far Lance! I look forward to more. It's also a great source of research and info, I will come back to it often! Regards, Marc
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Thanks Ed, Steve, UFAG and Mark!
I really appreciate your feedback, much appreciated!
Cheers,
Lance
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A bit more progress to record, the Mastercasters cockpit module has been completed although it is approximately 50% scratch built. The single instrument supplied for the right side frame was completed and I subsequently "tweezerpulted" it beyond recovery range. Like the earlier lost throttle assembly a long and thorough search failed to locate it, I must have a "black hole" in my man cave as I figure there's close to half a ton of lost bits somewhere in this bloody room, but I can't see any of them! A replacement was made using scrap plastic, a spare instrument decal, and an Aeroclub bezel. I actually like it better then the original!
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The forward right sidewall to firewall joint has been left un-glued; the module being too narrow for the fuselage and I hope to "spread" the sidewalls once installed permanently. In retrospect the Mastercaster's Set is a marginal product at best, it takes an inordinate effort to bring it up to basic standards.
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A re-check of the reference photos showed that the stitching on the front decking of the fuselage did not continue directly below the cabane attachment locations on the fuselage where metal brackets were used. The stitching was removed from those locations and thin sheet styrene placed to simulate the brackets.
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I also modified the Kit supplied cowling, The Mastercaster's cowling provided a poor fit (slightly over sized) and was the version with the cowling seams on the upper center; it was banished to the spares box. An approximately 1 mm. extension was added, the "three and nine oclock" joins added, and then the cowl retention cable was added using scrap copper wire attached with thin CA.
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It's now time to close up the fuselage and start getting all these bits and pieces assembled and painted!
Cheers,
Lance
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Outstanding, keep losing parts, yours are way better.
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Looking really good Lance, I like that work on the cowl - simple, but very effective. Nice.
Re the lost parts - have you tried the foot of a pair of tights banded to the end of a vacuum hose and pushed inside an inch or so to make a filter net? Works really well - vac all the cracks in the workshop then switch off to find what little gems you have recovered :D
Still decorating :( but not too long now :)
Regards - Tug
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Thanks Juan and Tug.
Tug, I have a very small shop vac in the work room with an approx. half litre collection bag, easy to open and search however some parts just completely avoid retrieval. My favorite "lost" episodes include the dropped Lewis Magazine that I watched (in horror!) roll all the way across the floor to a furnace vent and then heard pinging it's way all the way down to the lower floor, the tiny bit I spotted on the dog's back an hour after giving up the search, and a tweezer "pinged" Photo Etch Seat Belt fitting that showed up on my computer desk a good eight feet from it's launch point a day after it's takeoff time. I sometimes wonder if I'm the secret twin brother of the infamous Mr. Bean!?
Cheers,
Lance
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Extra good work on the sole instrument Lance, it really looks the part, and the engine cowl has come up looking brilliant, under your very capable hands this Nieuport is coming together beautifully.
Des.
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Thank you Des, your endorsement means a great deal.
Cheers,
Lance
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Looks fantastic Lance. Beautiful work.
James
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Thanks for looking James and for your positive comments! :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Outstanding progress Lance! The cowling is shaping up nicely and that instrument is amazing!
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick, I much appreciate your positive feedback. I said the Photo Etched bezel was from Aeroclub however when putting the fret back into it's parts box realised it was from an Eduard 1:32 fret I'd picked up years ago. They are top quality parts as you can see.
Cheers,
Lance
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Found your gauge in my coffee........great work on the cockpit "Pinger"
Steve
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I really, really like that instrument face... Your detail improvements to the kit and specifically the Mastercasters resin is very valuable... Thanks and Regards,
Marc
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Just found your instrument panel Lance. Would you make one for me in 1/72 scale please? I am gobsmacked that you were able to make that even with a transfer…. That is modelling of the highest order. The rest of the model is coming on well too - am waiting to see the results of the painting - when the outside will look as realistic as the inside.
Stephen.
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Steve, Marc and Stephen,
Thanks for looking and for your comments, they are very much appreciated!
Steve, I think I may have bought this Kit from you a few years back, so I'm not surprised the instrument travelled east. I you are still working Pearson Ground coffee must be a critical requirement, hope it wasn't spoiled! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
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I got a bit more accomplished yesterday and today, nothing major but progress none the less.
Before closing up the fuselage I realised that I hadn't installed the lower portion of the aileron push rods; these were added using stretched sprue and she was now ready for closing up. The photo shows the rod, attached to the horizontal bellcrank on the control stick's left side extending upwards to disappear under the decking. The upper portion will be installed externally once the top wing is mounted.
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The cockpit module was then installed into the left half of the fuselage and, once cured, the fuselage was closed using CA and clamping the right sidewalls together over night.
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All of the fuselage seams were then filled with thick CA, sanded, refilled and then after sanding given several coats of Tamiya Grey Surface Primer, a final sanding, and are ready for the overall priming.
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Last, I scratched a panel to close up the exhaust channel using lead shrink seal salvaged from a Single Malt Scotch bottle, it worked nearly as well as my favourite whiskey! This was CA'ed into place, sanded slightly to clean it up and is ready for priming as well.
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Next, some serious work attaching the lower wings and then overall priming and painting.
Cheers,
Lance
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A nice use of the whisky inspired material. Also I wish I'd thought of your solution to fitting the side walls of the cockpit. Very impressed so far with what you've done.
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Great job thus far and interesting use of materials. Love how its coming along.
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Thank you, Toby and Juan. The combination of CA on the resin of the sidewall and the clamping pressure did not go 100% well, the top frame member ending up a bit distorted so it had to be trimmed and cleaned up a bit. Some careful paint touch ups should complete the fix.
Cheers,
Lance
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Very nice 8) Single Malt Scotch, eh? I need to go shopping...
Cheers,
Gary
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Looking absolutely great Lance! Your work on the channel is outstanding!
RAGIII
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Nice work with the lead seal Lance - hope you won't mind if I pinch that idea. Nice excuse to treat oneself to a bottle of Malt too
Looking forwards to even further inspiration :)
Regards - Tug
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Much appreciated Gary, Tug, and Rick. Gary, The Macallan have the best lead shrink seals of all, and being a Speyside was the greatest of the nectars of the Highlands until they stopped producing their classic 12. Great coincidence, excellent whiskey AND the very best in scratch building material all in one! ;)
Tug,
Please feel free to the idea, and enjoy the Malt as well, wish we could share one some day! :)
Cheers,
Lance
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That would be nice Lance but in the meantime I'll toast your health with a tot (or two ;)) tonight. I've had several 'favourites' over the years but never bought one just for the seal ;D. Sue bought me an 18 year old Macallan for my fiftieth, sadly now long gone - both the malt and my fiftieth :(
Thanks again for the tip.
Regards - Tug
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Nice progress on the Nie.17, Lance. Completely applaud you getting on improving an existing good basic kit rather than waiting, waiting, waiting for a sometime/never WNW release. You are showing how great modelling skills can make these old kits shine.
Love the lead foil. I've been collecting wine foils but couldn't remember what I used to do with them: you have kick-started my memory. Muchas gracias.
(BTW please, Scotch is whisky, never whiskey. That's bourbon or the inferior Irish stuff.)
Sandy (living within two miles of the oldest distillery (Glenturret) in Scotland!)
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"(BTW please, Scotch is whisky, never whiskey. That's bourbon or the inferior Irish stuff.)"
Sandy,
Damn, I knew that, lets call it a "typo"!! ;)
It is a good but very basic kit, and as we've seen on the Forum many times can be coaxed into some pretty spectacular finishes. I find shifting to some of the less spectacular brands stimulating, it brings on the "mojo" to have to get back to some basics and use a little bit of improvisation.
Cheers,
Lance
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Fantastic work Lance. Really enjoying this.
James
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Thanks for looking James, and for your comments. The short bench time I got in today was spent mounting eyelets for the rigging prior to the first coat of primer, hardly inspiring work!
Cheers,
Lance
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Nice job Lance,
How did you mould the foil so nicely?
Thanks,
Guy
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Nice job Lance,
How did you mould the foil so nicely?
Thanks,
Guy
Thank you Guy. Shaping the foil panel was simply stretching it over the actual opening and using my Mark 1 finger to "burnish" it into the shape and fit I wanted. The lead foil is so pliable it is very easy to shape as you wish, I find aluminum foil from beverage cans or disposable cook ware like pie plates only works well for flat components, by contrast the lead material will actually stretch over compound curves and shapes if you "work" it a bit.
Cheers,
Lance
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Wow, Lance, I really love the way you deal with old whiskey bottles :) You are making an awesome model out of that old kit. I am very curious to see it finished :)
Borsos
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Hi Lance! Lovely work, once again. I do like that exhaust channel made of lead foil - very effective! On a Scotch note, I received a bottle of very old Speyside from a grateful patient in a square bottle - heaven knows how old that is - and shared it at work with everyone - as I should - what a treat and quite magnificent! Regards, Marc
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Wonderful work Lance, sorry I haven't kept up with this build as I should have.
Warren
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Borsos, Marc, and Warren, Thanks very much for looking and particularly for your comments, positive feedback is wonderful for the confidence! Marc, a Speyside is wonderful, a really old and special Speyside is even much better, good on ya!
Cheers,
Lance
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I love what you've done lance. That master casters resin interior looks so great and you have done commendable paint job. As far as scotch I am not a big fan. I prefer the inferior Irish stuff. Although I don't consider it as such. My favorite is red breast 12 yr old single pot still which is made with both malted and unmalted barley and aged in sherry casks. It's $65 use and dann good for being inferior
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Thanks Scott. Although it turned out well the interior could have been "scratched" with, probably" less work and "cleaner" results. I hope to do a Ni 11 soon and I intend to scratch build the cockpit.
As for whisky, a man's taste is his own; I'm no expert on the Irish stuff however those I have tried have certainly not been inferior, quite enjoyable actually!
Cheers,
Lance
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I think when that is said it's pointed at Jameson(the most popular brand) because it's a blend of malted and unmalted barley like Irish whisky is supposed to but they also blend in grain alcohol making it non traditional.
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Lance,
Outstanding update my old friend. Glad to see you handled the Master Caster detail set so well. Most impressive use of Single Malt foil I've seen to date. Well Done my old friend. Although I longer drink any alcohol I give you high marks for your choice of Scotch Whisky.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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I love Nieuports and bourbon, but I also enjoy other whiskies. Aside from Nieuports and SPAD's, I don't have a very sophisticated palette. 8) ;)
Warren
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HI Lance:
Your work on the interior really shines. I know what you mean about Master Casters. I plan on doing one of these and will probably go with the scratch interior using some of Toms Modelworks PE for it as well. I am looking forward to see how you do the wings. For my Nie.II I used a brass tube for the lower wings. Gave me bendability and flexibility as I attached the upper wing first to get it lined up with fuselage and the tail surfaces.
Mark
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Thanks Greg, Warren, and Mark.
Mark, I've got the wings on; I measured the dihedral as 3 degrees on the data File 3 view and CA'd them in place using a brace at each tip to ensure the angle.
I also completed the painting of the silver dope overall using Tamiya Flat Aluminum acrylic however it resulted in a really terrible finish and, after some hand wringing, I stripped it all off using Windex which worked beautifully. I then tried a second base coat using Model Master enamels, 10 parts of their Aluminum #1781 with 1 part #2055 USN Blue Grey to tone it down a bit. This produced a good finish to start with however I can't publish photos right now as Photobucket appears to be down. My plan is to add some Alclad II to the forward metal portion of the fuselage to provide a little contrast, add the national and serial markings, and then post shade the entire model. I'm still not sure about the markings, whether to use the decals I have or use the Miracle Masks from Mal Mayfield. The latter method would be my first attempt at the masked markings technique and I'm a little intimidated by it.
I'll be away for the weekend but hope to be back at this on Tuesday of next week, more to follow and hopefully photobucket will be back in operation by then.
Cheers,
Lance
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Just found Photobucket working after being down most of the day. Here's the main components with the second (enamel) silver dope finish:
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....and a closer view of the finish:
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It should look better with a coat of clear over coat after the makings are added and the post shading and weathering completed.
Cheers,
Lance
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I like your finish/paint mix there Lance. I've been pondering what I'm going to use on my Noop builds, and plan on doing some experiments on some scrap to see what will work for me.
Warren
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Beautiful finish, Lance! What did you use? I really like it.
Cheers,
Bud
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Beautiful finish, Lance! What did you use? I really like it.
Cheers,
Bud
I agree with Bud, and have the same question. Excellent finish!
RAGIII
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Looks beautiful, looking at your job I have a sentimental journey, some time ago I made this model.
Adam.
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Bud, Rick,
The finish is ModelMaster Enamels as described in the post just before the photos above, I seen to return to the "old" enamels whenever I get into difficulties.
Warren, Adam, thanks for looking, and for commenting!
Cheers,
Lance
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Bud, Rick,
The finish is ModelMaster Enamels as described in the post just before the photos above, I seen to return to the "old" enamels whenever I get into difficulties.
Warren, Adam, thanks for looking, and for commenting!
Cheers,
Lance
Thanks Lance I guess I wasn't paying close enough attention :-[
RAGIII
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Very nice Lance. I like how you described your difficult decision to re-think the finish, and used a different approach to get a happy result. I think we all struggle when it comes to those difficult phases of model building, and some just put it back on the shelf and start something new :-\ Hopefully your little tale will inspire others to "plod ahead" :)
Cheers,
Gary
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Looks great, Lance.
I will follow, what's coming up next.
Manni
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That's coming on really well now Lance :)
Re the 'silver' - Though I prefer using Tamiya acrylics to all others I've never had particularly good results with their metallics. Paint of choice in that direction has always been Alclad but recently I bought some of the AK Extreme Metal range and though having only test sprayed them onto a plastic card panel I was very impressed with the finish and smoothness of application. With no lacquer smell like Alclad either I'm looking forwards to using them in the near future on a project. (I have a feeling I may have said this before, if so, my apologies - call it an age thing ::))
Decorating is done :) :) hoping to start something new by the end of the week ;) Keep it coming.
Regards - Tug
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Tug,
Just returned after being away since Friday. Just before leaving I sprayed some Alclad II on the forward metal cowlings for some contrast, will try to get some photos on here tomorrow. I've seen the AK Extreme but never tried it, it was very impressive on a contemporary all natural finish jet on display at a contest. (IIRC it won a Gold in class) I intend to get a small selection and give it a try.
Cheers,
Lance
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Having done the same kit some time ago, and used the Mastercaster set I follow your build Lance, it's very interesting, the work you did so far is AA class!
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Having done the same kit some time ago, and used the Mastercaster set I follow your build Lance, it's very interesting, the work you did so far is AA class!
Antonio,
I used your Build and several others to help along the way, very useful Thread and Thank You!
Cheers,
Lance
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Here's the promised photos of the Alclad II Aircraft Aluminum sprayed on the metal portions of the cowling and upper deck area, some subtle contrast added. I'll be doing the panel/access covers in another shade as well before getting at the weathering and shading and the final clear and possibly filter coats.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5074_2.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5074_2.jpg.html)
A little better contrast in this light:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5075_1.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5075_1.jpg.html)
The Machro Photo mode really shows the imperfections in the wing/fuselage join area; that "perfect model" has again eluded me!!
Cheers,
Lance
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Pilot needs a haircut........
Steve
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The contrast looks to be just right! Not too much but also not to little!
RAGIII
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Pilot needs a haircut........
Steve
Steve,
I needed a little levity! ;D ;D ;D ;)
Cheers,
Lance
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Rick,
Thanks, it is pretty subtle, I'm presently working on some post shading including the ribs, very slow going and lots of "remove and try a second (or third!) time. I hope to post some photos soon.
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
Ah the curse of aluminum paint. This stuff can be a real buzz killer showing up the slightest of imperfections. From your photographs I believe it's an issue that can be rectified easily enough. But surely is a pain with touch up. I very much appreciate the subtle contrast between the two shades of aluminum. Well Done Lance. Keep up the excellent work. Looking forward to more!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Thanks for commenting Greg, much appreciated. An aluminum finish is definitely the most revealing of all, and the wing roots on this one are no exception! I'm hoping the shading and markings will do a lot to draw the eyes away from those locations, hope I can get some photos onto here tomorrow.
Cheers,
Lance
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I really like your silver dope, Lance, very nice. I think the wingroots are nothing that will still be visible after a treatment with oils when you copy the castor oil thrown by the rotary engine. Seriously, nothing to care about!
Best wishes
Andreas
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Thanks Borsos. You have a good point; I need to get back to the references before I start throwing oil at it but it will cover a lot of "sins".
Cheers,
Lance
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The post shading of the control and flying surfaces is complete. I used chalk dry pastels in the standard method and toned down the shading with lots of wet cloth rubs. I may add a very light coat of a grey filter to tone it down further but will see how it "sits" with me after a day or two.
Here's the masking stage, always such a relaxing phase!
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5078.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5078.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5079.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5079.jpg.html)
...... and the finished products:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5083.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5083.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5084.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5084.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5088.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5088.jpg.html)
I also completed a few of the miscellaneous bits, the "V" struts with tapes from Tamiya Masking Tape and the cowl with Bishops trademark blue colouring lightly "chipped" using the hairspray technique. I had decaled the rudder earlier but I wasn't happy with the results so it was stripped and masked/painted. Model Master enamels "Blue Angel Blue" and Insignia Red match the Roundel Colours perfectly.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5082.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5082.jpg.html)
Starting to fall together now, it's almost time to put the upper wing and landing gear on. Once the shading is sealed I'll start to throw a little oil and grime on her and she'll be ready for assembly.
Cheers,
Lance
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Simply Gorgeous results on the post shading Lance. The cowling and markings are also terrific!
RAGIII
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Wow, outstanding. Looking forward to this one progressing. Awesome.
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That is staring to look very good indeed.
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Hi Lance , very nice progress on your N-17 , looking forward on seeing how the weathering turns out .
Terri
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Rick, Juan, Toby and Terri,
Thanks for looking and particularly for your welcome comments! 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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The finish on the wings and cowling is really incredible. How you modellers manage to achieve such subtle weathering effects is beyond me - whenever I try I end with a mess!
This is going to be another of your winners Lance. Looking forward to seeing it completed.
Stephen.
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Stephen,
Thanks for your encouraging and supportive comments, presently I'm struggling a bit with some details, it a very "basic" Kit and I could use some of your Scratch Building skills! More to follow soon hopefully ........ :-\
Cheers,
Lance
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I made a bit of progress yesterday on some of the finer details. The cabanes were added with some scrap PE Brackets on their attachment points and, after several different approaches the fabric strips that partially cover the stitching in the upper cowling area were done with Tamiya Tape and thin CA. The Machro mode photos are, as always, pretty brutal!
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5096.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5096.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5097.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5097.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5099.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5099.jpg.html)
Mounting of the upper wing can't be avoided much longer however the Aldis Sight will have to be "scratched" and mounted to the underside of the wing before it's installed.
Cheers,
Lance
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Those macro shots show some excellent modelling - nothing brutal there. Such wonderful detail - a master at work.
Stephen.
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Brilliant work on the details Lance!
RAGIII
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Stephen and Rick,
Thank you Gents, I really appreciate your generous comments, makes the next steps so much more confident! :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Very nice progress, Lance, I love it. You can be very proud of your Nieuport!
Can't wait to see her with the upper wing and the resin wheels on. I never liked the kit's wheels...
Borsos
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Thank you Borsos. Yes, the resin after market wheels are a great improvement on the kit ones, not only more accurate but proper scale as well.
Cheers,
Lance
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Looks fine to me. Nice progress. The covering of the stitching looks very convincing to me.
Manni
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Lance, we are our own worst critics. Outstanding work, love what you have done so far.
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Manni,Juan,
Thanks for looking and for commenting, I'm presently working at the installation of the wind screen, some adjustments will be required as the rear cabanes interfere with it and will need to be trimmed. On the side the Aldis Sight is completed and the Lewis Gun and Foster Mount are more or less ready to go. A few simple photos later today hopefully.
Cheers,
Lance
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I like the stitching and tape Lance :)
Guy
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Thanks Guy, not the "cleanest" job but looking at the photos I have available neither was the original!
Cheers,
Lance
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A little more progress made. The Aldis Sight was scratch built using brass tubing, PE Brass brackets, and heat stretched plastic Q-Tip shaft fitted to the ends. Alclad II Gun Metal gave it the finishing touch.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5101.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5101.jpg.html)
......and the finished product:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5104.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5104.jpg.html)
The GasPatch Lewis Gun and the Kit Foster Mount fittings were completed as well using Alclad Gun Metal, Mr Metal Color Stainless and some Testor's Aluminum dry brushing. The wood parts on the Lewis are a darkened Model Master Rust.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5109.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5109.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5102.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5102.jpg.html)
The windscreen was masked and the frame of the glass portion done in Model Master Brass, the lower support frame in aluminum. I've seen the original on display at the Canadian War Museum complete with a bullet hole, which was kept by Bishop as a reminder of a very close call when the subject bullet grazed his flying helmet and cut the strap of his goggles! The finish was as I've done it here.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5107.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5107.jpg.html)
The rear cabanes will need a bit of trimming to allow installation of the windscreen as they more or less butt right up against the leather cockpit coaming, a fault in the Kit that I didn't catch earlier. The photo illustrates the problem........
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5110.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5110.jpg.html)
Once the windscreen is on I hope to mount the upper wing. The landing gear will be next and I'm concerned about that step; the struts are extremely fragile, too thin to "pin", and I'm having trouble coming up with a solution. Any previous Builders have any suggestions?? :-\
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
She just gets AWESOMER and AWESOMER my old friend. Well Done Lance. This beauty is yet another fine tribute to Master Class skill and craftsmanship. Keep up the awesomeness!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Thanks for the encouragement and compliments Greg!
Cheers,
Lance
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This model is coming together beautifully Lance, your attention to detail really stands out with the exceptional work you have accomplished so far.
Des.
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Gorgeous work on the sightand Windscreen Lance. I am sure you will work out the fit issue with no difficulty!
RAGIII
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I can only copy what other have said, Lance. You are building an excellent model, a pleasure to follow.
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Gorgeous Lance. Fantastic work on this. As for the strut, could you put a trench in it and superglue a piece of rod in then reshape it?
James
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Nice work on the sight Lance :)
Terri
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Thank you all for your comments. I've fitted the windscreen, no great task once I realised it basically is framed by the rear cabane's inverted "V" structure.
James,
Problem is the concern is with the joining or connecting points, not the strut itself. It's the typical Hobby Craft joint, a small hole on the fuselage and a dimple on the end of the strut (which won't support a "pin" addition). I'm moving toward a bolstered strut and the a pin on all four joins, more to follow but not insurmountable!
Cheers,
Lance
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Outstanding Lance, she is looking beautiful.
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Thank you Juan, very much appreciated!
Cheers,
Lance
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Everything looks superb to me, Lance! the added detail on the cabane struts and the covered stitching really make that area pop. Your post shading is excellent and needs no further work, imho.
Cheers,
Bud
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Hi Lance, I've been AWOL for a few days I'm afraid so just caught up. It's coming along really well now and has all the hall marks of another stunner.
Re you remarks on the U/C. I'm sure I had this problem on the Special Hobby Nieuport so drilled down into the leg ignoring the tiny pip. 12 thou copper wire was glued in and a slight compromise made in fixing the wire going directly into the fuse in line as opposed to sideways if you see what I mean.
Don't have a pic of the fixing but this shows the wire in place - cut shorter on assembly of course
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-kiw6_gGbiFA/Vruu7df4hMI/AAAAAAAAODg/p5_6OZh1jmY/s912-Ic42/DSCF8457.JPG)
Hope this helps some - looking forwards to seeing it on it's wheels
Regards - Tug
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Lance,
I followed the same procedure as Tug stated above. This is one of those engineering problems we have to deal with far to often. No doubt you'll come up with a excellent solution. Keep up the excellence my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Thanks for the vote of confidence Bud. In fact I've since sprayed on a coat of Vallejo Satin Clear polyurethane and it looks good as is.
Thanks for the information Tug and Greg. Since posting I've managed to "pin" the undercarriage struts with stainless steel wire, a delicate task but not as difficult as I thought it would be. They were by far the thinnest stock I've done in this manner but I think they'll be just fine. I'll be posting another update with photos shortly.
Cheers,
Lance
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Here's the latest small update. I've been adding last minute details in preparation for mounting the upper wing. The Scratch Built Aldis Sight was attached under the upper wing first:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5116.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5116.jpg.html)
Next came a cap for the oil reservoir after drilling the opening in the cowling.....
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5113.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5113.jpg.html)
.....and the finished product:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5117.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5117.jpg.html)
The undercarriage struts were "pinned" with stainless steel wire and the windshield installed as well:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5115.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5115.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5114.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5114.jpg.html)
Last, and "at last", the upper wing was attached. This part of the assembly went remarkably well and quickly; the wing is nicely aligned and solidly held with CA.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5119.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5119.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5118.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5118.jpg.html)
Next comes the rigging; I prefer to leave the control surfaces off if possible and the landing gear assembly as well until the rigging is complete, otherwise I tend to knock it all off during the main rigging portion of the Build.
Cheers,
Lance
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The sight looks awesome mounted on the wing as does the results of tweaking the struts to mount the windscreen. The fuel cap is excellent. Finally, she looks beautiful as a bi plane!
RAGIII
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The fruits of your labor are very visible. Great looking A/C.
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Lance,
Stunning up date my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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She is looking might fine Lance :)
Terri
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Rick, Juan, Greg and Terri,
Thank you all for your comments and interest. Now that this one is coming together I'm really looking forward to the final stretch. A Wingnut Wings Kit it isn't but it does build into a very decent model with a little extra effort. This one has increased my determination to find a Nieuport 11 at a decent price and add it to the collection as well.
Cheers,
Lance
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Getting more and more beautiful. Very fine model, Lance. You will have a true gem at the end.
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Really nice work Lance and great attention to detail - I see what you mean about minimal plastic to work with on those legs but it looks like you've nailed it just fine.
Re your remark on a 11 at a decent price - Special Hobby? - I don't think the engine is quite as good as the one in their Nie 16 (which was excellent) but still a nice package for the outlay.
I'm still progressing the SE5 but have to say, despite it's stunning qualities nowhere near enjoying the build compared to that of the Camel or Nieuport which required far more 'on the bench' input. I'm beginning to think that nice that the WNW are, these lower priced kits - Roden, Special Hobby etc give far more modelling pleasure for the outlay.
Keep it coming Lance - like Toby with his build you have me inspired (yet again ;))
Regards - Tug
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Really nice work so far and adding the wire to the U/C legs is something I must look at doing next time round.
The windshield looks very tidy as I hoped mine was going to be until I realised I'd forgotten to mask one side!! ::)
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Lovely Lance,
The Aldis is a beauty!
Guy
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just awesome, Lance! Really a pretty little Nieuport and you are right: Built by you it can definitely hold its ground against a WNW kit, you brought it up to that level! I have the Special Hobby Nieuport XI and the A-Model Nieuport XVI and both are beauties that I can recommend as highly as it is possible without having built one of them yet. One of my basic rules says "you can never have enough Nieuports..." :) I send you a link that I found on the large scale modelling page, there's an absolutely masterclass Nieuport XI built: http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?showtopic=60446 That's at least my inspiration for my SH kit and maybe it convinces you too...? ;) Maybe the problem with the engine can be solved a little simplier by using that very cool looking stuff to copy a WNW LeRhone? http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=7874.0
Best wishes
Andreas
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Thank you all for the great comments.
Tug,
Your point on the lower priced Kits is well taken, I enjoy them as well as they force one into the "real modelling" style of necessity. I have several of the Roden 1:32 Series in the cabinet and all built into very nice models. Their Nieuport 28 and DR.1 are both great productions and the SSW D.III builds into a real gem. I hope they release a few more, as Wingnut Wings have seemed to go rather cold on the back burner of late, at least compared to their past rate of production. For now the Special Hobby Ni.11 is a "want" and, given the relative prices of the Wingnut's offerings, very imminent!
So much to build, so little time........ :-\ ::)
Cheers,
Lance
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Hi Lance,
Just catching up on this thread so apologies if some of my comments are a bit late! I think you are doing a great job with this and the interior now finished is very effective.
I like the post shading for the ribs, a method I follow too as it allows for post shading over roundel decals etc. The satin coating IMHO is perfect as it doesn't take away the Alu dope effect and is not glossy.
Going back to paint, I swear by Revell Aqua range. Either sprayed thinned with water or hand brushed very thinly, it is great for fabric representation, and I also use Mr Metal for "metal" parts - your idea to get the top cowling contrast works extremely well!
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Borsos,
Thanks for the comments and especially for the link, that is indeed a beautifully built Ni.11. That "Blue Stuff' is fascinating and I do have an unbuilt Wingnut Wings Pup LeRhone I could copy, great thought! Your Link has already proved very useful; as I was looking through the photos I spotted the gas tank cap on the upper cowl, think I missed that earlier so back to the bench!!
Ian,
Thank you as well. I've looked for the Revell paints you mention here in Western Canada with no success, I don't know if they are available here, are they a Revell Germany product? As for the post shading approach it's a great technique (picked up from Coyote Magic, Bud, here on the Forum a few years back.)
Cheers Both,
Lance
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Beauty Lance. Really enjoying the build.
James
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I don't know about the global distribution of Revell products but they are readily available throughout the UK. I know some countries don't allow certain products in the mail either. I think - I can't remember - that I have had Mr Metal from Hong Kong, through the mail to the UK.
Anyway, you've got excellent results with the paints you have got!
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Thanks James! I'll try to bring it to one of our meetings when completed.
Ian, there are a few suppliers here that will ship paints by mail or courier however not lacquer products like Mr. Metal Color. It's difficult to find and, to date, I only have one limited source in this province.
Cheers,
Lance
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+1 on Revell Aqua, though I think that it's indeed an RoG product that is only sold in Europe. It smells kind of odd, but is great stuff. It sticks much better than most other acrylics like Vallejo and Lifecolor, too.
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This Build is starting to speed up now and the completion is in sight. I completed the main and landing gear rigging this morning with the flight control surfaces and lines next on the schedule.
The "Magic Third Hand" proved a tremendous bonus yet again, the model was mounted inverted on the cradle by the upper wing and it will remain there until the flight control rigging is complete. There's just not an angle, aspect, nor "pose" that cannot be set within seconds to optimise ease of installation with this little beauty!
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5121.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5121.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5122.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5122.jpg.html)
The main rigging was done with .005" / 0.12mm Maxima Chameleon mono fishing line, Bob's Buckles, and GasPatch turnbuckles where appropriate.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5123.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5123.jpg.html)
The landing gear was assembled and installed mid way through the rigging phase. The rigging line for the gear is Modelkasten, the bungees for the axle done with .015" lead fly tying wire.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5126.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5126.jpg.html)
I also scratched a gas tank cover, forgotten earlier, and installed it on the top cowling. The cabane rigging wires were done with Modelkasten line.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5130.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5130.jpg.html)
.....and here she is, rigging complete and ready for installation of the ailerons and "tail feathers".
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5127.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5127.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5128.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5128.jpg.html)
So far things have progressed pretty smoothly however she'll need a lot of touch ups before completion.
Cheers,
Lance
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Wow Lance, looking good, real good. Close to the end, go Lance go... ;)
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Thanks Juan! I've just had a break from this, there's nothing pressing on my time today, so I'm going to spend a bit of time on the work table again and get the tail section started. Hopefully another update tomorrow.
Cheers,
Lance
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Looking fantastic Lance, you did a superb job with the rigging, this is a really nice looking model.
Des.
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Looking fantastic Lance, you did a superb job with the rigging, this is a really nice looking model.
Des.
I can't say it any better Lance!
RAGIII
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Idem dito...!!
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That really is shaping up very nicely indeed. It's a shame the Third Hand isn't available in the U.K. I'd get one in a heartbeat.
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Thanks for the greatly encouraging comments Guys. She's not without the usual "warts" however , overall, I'm very pleased with the results so far.
Cheers,
Lance
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So perfect, very nice paintjob, I like it.
Chapeau,
Manni
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Thanks for looking and commenting Manni. :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Looks great Lance,
Particularly the way it's 'flying' around yr workshop with the third hand!
Guy
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Funny you mention her "flying around the work shop", Guy! We had one of those ever so familiar flying moments of sheer terror after months of mind numbing boredom just this morning when I inverted her to tweak a control line I was installing and she popped out of the jig, hit the bench and went over the edge, fortunately coming to a stop in my lap non the worse for wear! I think I'll log .01 hours in her book and ground her now that's done!
Thanks for looking and commenting, I need to do better walk arounds in future! ???
Cheers,
Lance
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Hi Lance - I'm just catching up on things here. Awesome work on the build, and I read in horror of your story as the model slipped out of it's mount and fell to a luckily soft landing. I'd be groping for a shot of that scotch had that happened to me. ;) This aircraft looks really good and I'm quite excited to see it when done.
Cheers,
Gary
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Thanks Gary; good thing her "flight of fancy" was early this morning, or I would have thought of the libations cabinet as well! As is, and most uncharacteristically, I got very lucky!! :P :P
Cheers,
Lance
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This is probably the last update before she's completed. A lot of little easy but important final steps to complete but the end is in view.
The replacement "scratched" tail skid is permanently installed:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5131.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5131.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5132.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5132.jpg.html)
The elevator and rudder control cables are also completed using Modelkasten elastic line:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5133.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5133.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5136.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5136.jpg.html)
.......and the stabilizer bracing struts attached.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5141.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5141.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5142.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5142.jpg.html)
The Aileron bell cranks installed in the wings:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5145.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5145.jpg.html)
Last, a bit of nasty repair work in progress. The Kit Decals are difficult to work with; either quality, age, or a combination of the two resulted in very poor adhesion and a tendency to crack. As a result I ended up with some damage post installation, with sections chipping off or shattering. The closest white area in the photo and the very apparent repair to the blue illustrate. Some re-application of satin overcoat and redoing of the affected shading areas will hopefully cover these gaffs!
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5146.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5146.jpg.html)
I'll work on the repairs and touch ups, get the ailerons, pitot, and gun mounted and do a tiny bit of final weathering and she should be completed.
Cheers,
Lance
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Hi Lance - 'Touch wood' I have been lucky to avoid a flight across the shop but it's been close at times. (The wing falling off the Camel was a classic!) Pleased to hear yours was not as destructive as it could have been. Doesn't matter what the cost or the size of the project it's the time that's the investment - Phew! a relief eh?
It's looking good despite that slight set back on the decals which I'm sure you will recover okay.
Looking forwards to seeing it finished and displayed
Tug
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The control rigging on the tail surfaces look awesome! Too bad about the decals but you seem to have it under control.
RAGIII
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Thanks Tug and Rick,
The decal repairs are complete, not perfect however given the well worn appearance of the aircraft in the photos I'm happy with it. I'll include photos with the final update. I also completed the pitot tube assembly and only the installation of the Foster Mount and Lewis Gun remains to be done.
Cheers,
Lance
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Very nice job on scratching the tail skid Lance , really looking forward on seeing the final the pic's on this one :)
Terri
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Thanks Terri, I have Son and Grandsons visiting for the weekend so hope to complete it tomorrow before they arrive, and get photos posted as well.
Cheers,
Lance
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Looking foreward to the finished piece of art, Lance!
Richard
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I think it looks great!
Warren
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Warren and Richard,
Thanks for looking and for your comments, just about finished however I have Family visiting for the weekend so might be delayed a few days in completion.
Cheers,
Lance
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I can only agree with what has already been written - that looks superb, especially the tail skid and control wires. This will look really great when finished - despite the markings problem.
Stephen.
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Is there still somebody out there that says "perfection does not exist" ?
Great work Lance!!!
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What a pity with the decals, Lance, but you managed it well to fix this problem! This really is a Nieuport full of wonderful extra work that turns it into a beautiful model. Have fun with your family!
Borsos
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Hi Lance:
This has really turned out nice. The hairspray technique on the cowl is a nice touch. The use of Tamiya tape and spare PE Buckles on the struts adds a lot to that area. Outstanding work Lance. I am looking forward to seeing you wrap this bad boy up.
Mark
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Great job Lance, looking forward to your completion.
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Many Thanks gents, for looking and for your most generous comments! I failed getting it completed before the weekend and hope to get back at it today. The touchups have been done and worked out pretty well, just a little weathering and the Lewis Gun left to do.
Cheers,
Lance
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At long last, the final update!
After more touchups were completed some reddish brown "mud and dust" was applied using chalk pastels.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5149.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5149.jpg.html)
These are the MasterCasters "weighted" wheels which are far superior to the Kit versions which are out of scale and poor representations of the real ones.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5150.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5150.jpg.html)
The GasPatch Lewis Gun was installed on the upper wing and a Pitot Tube added from Tom's Model Works Nieuport PE Sheet,
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5151.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5151.jpg.html)
I may consider removing the gun and doing some work on the mounts, as they appear a little "crude" to my eyes. I can't find any close up photos of these at all......
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5152.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5152.jpg.html)
.....and here's a bench shot of the finished product (with the caveat on the gun mounts!)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5157.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5157.jpg.html)
and a closer one to end the update.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5159.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5159.jpg.html)
Tomorrow I'll try for some photos in Completed Models, this one was quite the journey as the Kit is very basic and not in the Wingnut Wings nor even Roden Class!
Cheers,
Lance
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What a lovely bird, Lance! Thank you for that build-log! I have Roden's Nieuport 24 and there's a lot of helpful things to learn for me from your build here.
Richard
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Lovely result Lance, that's come out really well. Nice weathering has brought it to life, I like the idea of the reddish brown dust, will you put it on a base? You've done a great job on a basic kit and produced another gem. Great build log too - I went and bought a Roden 24 as a result ;)
I'm off to Hannants this morning - need some paint, might get that Special Hobby Nie 11while I'm there ;).
It's great to have that facility just down the road :)
Well done Lance - super work indeed
Regards -Tug
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Looks great. Lance. You have done a fine modelling job. I am looking forward to seeing the gallery. But if still you think of making the gun mounts less crude, I will support your decision. Even thinning down of those base plates would do a lot ;)
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You Nieuport looks great, Lance. A wonderfull job.
Manni
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Wow Lance, outstanding modeling. Love the small details you have added. Glad to see her completed and looking so beautiful.
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VERY nice, Lance. It really became a beauty! I love the effects you achieve with pastels!
Best wishes
Borsos
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Thanks Richard, Manni, and Juan, much appreciated!
Prze, Thanks for the compliment. You've nailed it, it's the thick bases on the mounts that give it that "not quite right" look, I will be working on that a bit before I slide this over to the Completed file.
...... and Thanks Tug! I'd be in deep trouble if Hannants was just around the corner, what a temptation that would be! I'm a 3 hour drive from my available Hobby Shops, and Hannants they definitely are not!
Cheers,
Lance
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Borsos,
Thanks for that, your comment arrived while I was typing in the last reply. The dry chalk Pastels work very well and I got the idea here on the Forum; Bud (Coyote Magic) had illustrated it for pre-shading one of his Builds and I really liked the effect. One of it's redeeming qualities is the ability to more or less remove it and start again if it doesn't please you the first time.
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
As always you have achieved truly outstanding results! It may not be a WNW kit, or even Roden quality but no one can say it isn't in that Ball Park now! Love the pastel work.
RAGIII
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Thanks for your generous comments Rick. I always enjoy these less elaborate Kits, they keep you "honest"! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
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That's one truly gorgeous Nieuport, Lance! Everything about it is top notch.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks Bud, the pastel work is certainly good as I learned it from an expert! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
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+1 Great work on a mediocre looking kit! :)
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I'll call this an "Addendum to the Final Update". As stated earlier I was not at all pleased with the Foster Mount components in their Kit versions so I removed it all this morning and started from scratch, Scratch Building the front mount that is and modifying the rear one.
I tore down the rear mount by removing the base and the rail, replacing the base with some thin Evergreen Styrene Sheet. The new front mounting frame was made from stretched sprue, Evergreen Sheet, and the original top bracket.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5160.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5160.jpg.html)
The components were then assembled and installed on the upper wing again, here again is the original version followed by the improved one....
Before,
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5151.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5151.jpg.html)
.......... and after
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5162.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5162.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/Models%20Three/IMG_5165.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/Models%20Three/IMG_5165.jpg.html)
Now I'll find some time to get some photos for the "Completed" Board, I think she is truly done!
Cheers,
Lance
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Good call, Lance! Much more to scale. Really superb.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks for your comments Jeroen, much appreciated! And you as well Bud, I'm much happier with it now!
Cheers,
Lance
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Gutsy move on an 99,9% completed model! But it turned out very well, it looks better now :)
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Good call, Lance! Much more to scale. Really superb.
Cheers,
Bud
Plus another Amigo!
RAGIII
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Thanks for looking again and commenting Rick and Jeroen :)
Cheers,
Lance
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That's a nice improvement Lance - it's always a worry in case something is spoilt but that is much better and well worth the revisit.
Regards - Tug
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Lance,
Your scratch built Foster mount is a major improvement my old friend. WELL DONE Lance!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Now that is the French gun mount, Lance! Great!
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Thanks for your comments Gents, does wonders for the confidence.
Prze, I'm a little confused, this is the British Foster Mount, the French over wing one is a little more elaborate and completely different.
Cheers,
Lance
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I am sorry Lance. My mistake :-[
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Wow, amazingly simple yet elegant detail.
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Thank you Juan, makes my day!
Prze, whew! I thought I'd lost it for a moment or two!
Cheers,
Lance
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WOW! We want more! We want more! We want more!
Antonio
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Much appreciated Antonio. I'm hoping for some decent natural light this morning.
Cheers,
Lance