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Re: Morane type AI special hobby 1/48: the last Navarre's plane
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2018, 10:49:11 PM »
Outstanding Xan, love the attention to detail you are bringing.

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Re: Morane type AI special hobby 1/48: the last Navarre's plane
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2018, 04:46:30 AM »
description of the landing gear for those who can read in french





fuselage is over:



Xan
"Zwei Armeen, die sich bekämpfen, sind eine grosse Armee, die Selbstmord an sich übt."
Barbusse.
"Une montagne en Allemagne ne peut pas offenser une montagne en France. Ou une rivière ou une forêt ou un champ de blé."
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Re: Morane type AI special hobby 1/48: the last Navarre's plane
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2018, 06:15:41 AM »
@xan
You are showing us an excellent work on this small, but fine French fighter.
I like it very much.
Bravo!

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Re: Morane type AI special hobby 1/48: the last Navarre's plane
« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2018, 07:46:48 AM »
Your usual excellence in Modeling!
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Re: Morane type AI special hobby 1/48: the last Navarre's plane
« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2018, 07:51:15 AM »
Xan, as all the others said: You are doing a great job on this kit. You are reworking the whole kit to an extend that Is already something like scratch building. Très joulie!
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Re: Morane type AI special hobby 1/48: the last Navarre's plane
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2018, 03:02:50 AM »
Hello!
I am preparing the struts



Of course i broke all my drills before I ended the stuff...
so I had to buy again in internet...
Meanwhile, let' see another thing...

Paint!

1 step, colour definition and gunze or tamiya equivalences...

but let's beginning with an historic...

since middle of 1916 french plan's fabrics are covered with silver dope wich protect it againt UV

in the beginnning of 1917 colour pigment are introduced in the dope keeping the aluminium pigment.
and a five colour camouflage is proposed. Bur it is still dope and not paint.
Ripolin propose paint in the same colors for metal and wooden parts.

here the 5 colour sheme:



As far as I know, two autochrome show us this camouflage:deux autochromes qui nous montrent ce camouflage:





In "Cross and cockades" the "butterfly" project worked on this camouflage un the 70's  and later Alan Toelle wote an article about this camouflage in the Windsock vol.30 n°1

we can found here the proportion of diferents pigments of each color



Lance Krieg applied those mix in his models.

Marc Chassard French specialist of french WWI aviaiton went more far:
He bought fabric, dope and pigments, and applied the dope in the fabric as it was done in 1917, respecting all the coats...
then, he cutted little piece and propose a colour shart very accurate...



it was my reference to find equivalences in gunze or tamiya.
i took alll the paints i had aronud the fabric colour and test them

here is the result colour by colour:

beige


light green


dark green


brown


light yellow


final result:



just have to test it now....

in a second step i will try to resolve how to represent the metalic aspect of the dope

Xan
"Zwei Armeen, die sich bekämpfen, sind eine grosse Armee, die Selbstmord an sich übt."
Barbusse.
"Une montagne en Allemagne ne peut pas offenser une montagne en France. Ou une rivière ou une forêt ou un champ de blé."
Remarque.

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Re: Morane type AI special hobby 1/48: the last Navarre's plane
« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2018, 03:24:12 AM »
You made a really fantastic progress on this little bird!
Your details: simply WOW!

Cheers,
Frank

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Re: Morane type AI special hobby 1/48: the last Navarre's plane
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2018, 08:32:02 AM »
just have to test it now....
That's what I did ...
horreur!




what i ridiculuos with my methodic approach...
so I take again and look for colors closer at the Chassard colour chart.
In fact, I rework the light green and the beige.
And that is what I reach:


the global tonality seems to be OK thiis time

so, here the new equivalences:



Paint seems OK comparing with the chart, we have noow to compare the chart with other elements....

Xan
"Zwei Armeen, die sich bekämpfen, sind eine grosse Armee, die Selbstmord an sich übt."
Barbusse.
"Une montagne en Allemagne ne peut pas offenser une montagne en France. Ou une rivière ou une forêt ou un champ de blé."
Remarque.

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Re: Morane type AI special hobby 1/48: the last Navarre's plane
« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2018, 11:16:59 PM »
I love your research and development on the colors! That is one ODD Looking Morane in the test photos  ;D
RAGIII
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Re: Morane type AI special hobby 1/48: the last Navarre's plane
« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2018, 12:15:52 AM »
Thanks Rag!

well the color are quite strange to our eyes and a little far of what we are used to see on 5 colour french camouflage...
particullary the light green, very "zinc chromate".....

but in this original 5 colours camouflage scheme: the light green is in the same tonality...



Of course we have to hve in mind it could be a lot odf diferences betwwen dopes, because there was a lot of providers...

But this proposition seems coherent for me because it have been done after a serius work, so i keep go on with it....

Xan

 
"Zwei Armeen, die sich bekämpfen, sind eine grosse Armee, die Selbstmord an sich übt."
Barbusse.
"Une montagne en Allemagne ne peut pas offenser une montagne en France. Ou une rivière ou une forêt ou un champ de blé."
Remarque.

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Re: Morane type AI special hobby 1/48: the last Navarre's plane
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2018, 01:53:22 AM »
second challenge, represent the metalic appearence of the fabric...

42% of each color pigment were aluminium flakes; it had to have a inlfuence.

fabric parts around the squadron symbol put side by side show as an evidence the metallic appearence of the fabric:...



After a lot of trys, rub'n'buf dry brushing mixing alclad with paint, and more thing I had allways the same problem when the paint was shiny enought it lost its original colour.
At last i find a way: mixing rub'b'buf with mealt withwhite spirit (a hard dilution)



the colour remain and it shine in fonction ooof the light just as I wanted....

show can go on, i think this  problem is resolved!

Xan
"Zwei Armeen, die sich bekämpfen, sind eine grosse Armee, die Selbstmord an sich übt."
Barbusse.
"Une montagne en Allemagne ne peut pas offenser une montagne en France. Ou une rivière ou une forêt ou un champ de blé."
Remarque.

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Re: Morane type AI special hobby 1/48: the last Navarre's plane
« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2018, 02:54:38 AM »
Your color experiments are really convincing, Xan.
Just for my interest: I know in some British colors (e. g. Brunswick green for artillery pieces) there were components that blackened over the years. So many British artillery pieces seem to have been much lighter 100 years ago than they appear today in their museums. Could that be the case with French aircraft colors as well?
Borsos
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Barbusse.
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Re: Morane type AI special hobby 1/48: the last Navarre's plane
« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2018, 07:00:09 AM »
Xan,
   Very interesting way to get a metallic finish. 


well done!

Gaz
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Re: Morane type AI special hobby 1/48: the last Navarre's plane
« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2018, 07:39:25 PM »
wing now...

that what I have as reference:


I used HGW ribs tape:




There is a large seam in the fuselage


This one is archer



well boys, time to paint...

Xan
"Zwei Armeen, die sich bekämpfen, sind eine grosse Armee, die Selbstmord an sich übt."
Barbusse.
"Une montagne en Allemagne ne peut pas offenser une montagne en France. Ou une rivière ou une forêt ou un champ de blé."
Remarque.

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Re: Morane type AI special hobby 1/48: the last Navarre's plane
« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2018, 10:08:40 PM »
The rib tapes and stitching came out great and really add to the model! Continuing to be your usual outstanding build!
RAGIII
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