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Nieuport 17 cockpit - what is this?
« on: September 03, 2017, 10:00:25 PM »
Searching around for images (as you do), I found this:



on this excellent site: http://www.wbhaviland.net/zzni17cp.html

There are some great images on that site: http://www.wbhaviland.net/index.html

Anyway, what is the rectangular thing with a little wheel on it?



Is it a scrolling map?

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Re: Nieuport 17 cockpit - what is this?
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2017, 12:45:44 AM »
Richard,
    I can't point you to a specific Thread here however IIRC one or several of our members debated this issue a year or more ago and some proof that it is indeed a "scrolling" type of map holder resulted. Perhaps another member of the Forum with a better memory then mine can recall the specifics or the reference to confirm the info.
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Re: Nieuport 17 cockpit - what is this?
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2017, 01:22:23 AM »
It's damn useful, in that location it hides quite a bit of the interior

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Re: Nieuport 17 cockpit - what is this?
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2017, 11:32:52 PM »
Certainly a Map holder but how "Standard"  it was I am not sure. Another interesting thing on this Nieuport is the rectangular looking thing on the upper deck. If I am not mistaken a "Gun Camera". Makes me wonder if this was a Training Aircraft?
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Re: Nieuport 17 cockpit - what is this?
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2017, 11:54:37 PM »
Certainly a Map holder but how "Standard"  it was I am not sure. Another interesting thing on this Nieuport is the rectangular looking thing on the upper deck. If I am not mistaken a "Gun Camera". Makes me wonder if this was a Training Aircraft?
RAGIII

Not sure about the first picture, in the second picture the weapon is a pretty standard Vickers still carrying the gun sight for a ground based gun. I think the thing jury rigged to the cockpit edge may be a clock

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Re: Nieuport 17 cockpit - what is this?
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2017, 11:55:39 PM »
Richard,
     Found it! Take a look here, I think it's your "mystery item".

http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=6501.0

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Re: Nieuport 17 cockpit - what is this?
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2017, 11:58:46 PM »
Richard,
     Found it! Take a look here, I think it's your "mystery item".

http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=6501.0

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Excellent work!



Top image is a Nieuport 17 no it isn't, no headrest

And it looks like the thing I though was a clock is either a rev counter (which might have been hidden by the map) or an altimeter

Richard
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Re: Nieuport 17 cockpit - what is this?
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2017, 12:14:27 AM »
Certainly a Map holder but how "Standard"  it was I am not sure. Another interesting thing on this Nieuport is the rectangular looking thing on the upper deck. If I am not mistaken a "Gun Camera". Makes me wonder if this was a Training Aircraft?
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Not sure about the first picture, in the second picture the weapon is a pretty standard Vickers still carrying the gun sight for a ground based gun. I think the thing jury rigged to the cockpit edge may be a clock

Richard


I looked again and I guess you are correct. Just looked ODD to me  :-[
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Re: Nieuport 17 cockpit - what is this?
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2017, 12:21:34 AM »
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I looked again and I guess you are correct. Just looked ODD to me  :-[
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The French guns do often seem to have the rear sight in place. It also has the Alkan-Hamy synchroniser with the cocking lever operated by the wire lever above the windscreen. I'm not sure what that little tee-handle sticking out on the port side does, it is also a feature of French guns:



They do look quite different to the Brit guns

Guess what I was sticking together last night...

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