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Offline Borsos

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Fe2d A1959 (WNW Conversion)
« on: June 18, 2017, 08:50:31 PM »
Hello,

well, finally it is time for this one. I always wanted to build a Fe2. I had a vacuform kit once I was in 1:72 scale building, but never really started it besides of cutting the main parts and comparing them to the WDF scale plans. The same was with 1:48, I still have the Aeroclub Fee. It is a very nice kit and I have seen many great models that were made out of it on the web. But the more I browsed the internet for building reports of the Aeroclub kit, the more I saw the many 1:32 build reviews of the Wingnut Wings Fe2b. And yes, there was something like -- envy  ::). When WNW released their never-expected Albatros B. II, I was finally lost and switched from 1:48 to 1:32. The Albatros was the last stimulus, but the reason was the Fe2b. I really love this aeroplane. This frequently blamed as "ungainly" or "ugly" pusher airplane is one of my absolutely favourites among the WWI planes.

The most beautiful version of the FE2 is in my opinion the Fe2d, equipped with the Rolls-Royce Eagle, with cut down fuselage and Trafford Jones undercarriage. Somewhere I read in an interview with Richard Alexander that it could possibly be that WNW would release the Fe2d someday. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe in some years. I could be dead then – or, even worse, collecting stamps or autographs from movie stars instead of modeling. No, dystopic thoughts aside, let's do it here, let's do it right now. I purchased an Eagle engine sprue from WNW and over the years some books on the Fe2 had also been collected.



I tried to figure out the Differences between the Fe 2b and the Fe 2d (the source naming the most differences is: The R.A.F. Fe 2b/d & Variants in RFC, RAF, RNAS & AFC Service, pp. 18–19, p. 93, the WDF 134 and Miller, Fe 2b/d vs. Albatros Scouts name less differences):
  • Rolls Royce Eagle 275 HP (in the end 284HP) engine instead of the Beardmore: There's a wonderful WNW Eagle so, this won't be a problem; but the Eagle was designed for tubular engine bearers and these had to be mounted above the existing wooden ones, raising the thrust line. A great photo of that is published on the WNW homepage: http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/productdetail?productid=3121&cat=1
  • the radiator was placed higher and above the nacelle. The nacelle was cut down. They used several styles of radiators, some rounded ones, some squared ones, but in the end the smaller radiator of the Beardmore engine was used. Additional shutters were added as these radiators worked all too well in their new exposed position.
  • The main fuel tank was increased from 24 to 36 gallons by producing them not cylindrically shaped but box-like shaped. Sadly I didn't see this new tank on any picture yet.
  • The position of the gravity tank changed from the underside to the upper side of the upper wing.
  • The new engine made some changes on the nacelle necessary: the Radiator was slightly moved forward, the wood covered part of the nacelle was increased, reducing the fabric covered part.
  • It is stated that the Fe2d nacelle was slightly longer then the Fe2b nacelle. This is only mentioned in one of my sources. I sized up the scale plans of the Fe2d out of the WDF 134 and compared the WNW Fe2b nacelle. It fits perfectly.
    The dimensions that are given in my sources are the following:
    WDF 134: Length Fe2d: 32' - 3'' (9.83m)
    WDF 147: Length Fe2b: 32ft. 3 ins. (9.75m) (SIC!)
    WDF special: 32ft., 3ins. (9.75m – simply taken from WDF 147?)
    Miller, Length Fe 2b 32ft., 3 in (tricycle undercarriage), Fe 2d 31ft., 9in. (SIC!) – As WDF is my "bible" for wwi modelling and its scale plans don't show a difference, I'll go without changing the nacelle length. I have no idea, why 32feet and 3 inches are in one publication 9.83m and in two others 9.75m. But I won't kill myself because of this, as the difference of this would be 8cm, so 2,5 mm in 1:32 scale. Why Miller gives the Fe2d shorter then the Fe2b, I cannot explain neither.
  • The interior of the nacelle, the places of pilot and observer, are changed: The pilot's seat is slightly moved forward, so the rounded dashboard of theFe2b is changed into a flat one including a window. The covers for the feet of the pilot were changed as well. WDF 134 pp. 7, 24 and R.A.F. Fe 2b/d & Variants, p. 103 show good pictures of that change. Scratchbuilding a new dashboard and new foot covers for the pilot should be possible.

So these should be the differences between the Fe 2b and the Fe2d, hopefully not too impossible to realize in 1:32 scale. If anyone has information that I don't have (pictures of the nacelle in particular) or can see any faults I made, I would be really happy, if he could contact me!

I already tried to decide, which plane I'd like to portray and decided to build either A6378 (WDF 134, p. 12, pic. 20 and R.A.F. Fe 2b/d & Variants, p. 170:25 Sqd, C Flight, shot down on May 28 in 1917) or A1959 (R.A.F. Fe 2b/d & Variants, p. 155 and Profile on p. 105).

Borsos

Edit:When I post pictures of my builds I intend to give you as much information as possible. Therefore I posted some pictures of kitparts that were changed by me to fit the scale plans in the mentioned publications. Doing this I photographed these parts lying on sectors of these scale plans. As this forum is a meeting point for specialists, I had no problems doing that, as the plans were distorted by the angle of the camera and you all have these plans at home anyway. But I can hardly describe my surprise when I recently entered "Fe2d" into the Google search machine and found between many other pics my photos of this build. So adressing to a much wider public is another story that made me delete and/or change these photos. We all depend on high quality publications on our subjects and there's nothing I want less than harm these publishers in any way. 
« Last Edit: August 19, 2017, 01:47:37 AM by Borsos »
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Re: Fe2d A6378 or A1959 (WNW Conversion)
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2017, 02:44:02 AM »
What a lovely project to embark on, Borsos! We don't see nearly enough conversions and modifications to WNW kits, and lots of accessories are now available... but a FE2d, Wow! I'm looking forward to seeing your expert touch on this... Regards, Marc

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Re: Fe2d A6378 or A1959 (WNW Conversion)
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2017, 04:02:47 AM »
Wow Borsos, pulling up my chair and awaiting your treatment on what I am sure will be another of your masterpieces.    :D

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Re: Fe2d A6378 or A1959 (WNW Conversion)
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2017, 07:12:48 AM »
I have also been preparing for this conversion.  I have all the same ref's you've shown.  One of the biggest differences I've noticed (other than your stated ones) is that the thrust line seems higher in the 'd' than the Beardmore 'b' and the prop looks like it is also larger.  As for the nacelle I think I've noticed that there seems to be 3 distinct 'variances', initial with the cockpit side made very low (crashed prototype).  Then it seems that a standard was reached in later models with the height of the side (pilot area) varying to crew preferences either 'high' or cut down.   
I have notice that there seems to be two different interiors as the pilot is concerned.  As you ref'd the dash is changed, but there seems to be some that look more like the Beardmore version from one or two crash photos. 
Really looking forward to your build esp how you handle the radiator and posterior to pilot nacelle area.

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Re: Fe2d A6378 or A1959 (WNW Conversion)
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2017, 09:33:29 PM »
Oh, this will be a stunner again! I will watch carefully and learn from you.
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Re: Fe2d A6378 or A1959 (WNW Conversion)
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2017, 10:39:09 PM »
As all of the others have said I am really looking forward to seeing your Magic at work on this conversion!
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Re: Fe2d A6378 or A1959 (WNW Conversion)
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2017, 03:22:03 AM »
I am preparing parts for a scratch build of this type in the True Scale so I will be following you too. I agree with rtenyes about the cockpit sides - these certainly varied and are causing me a headache at the moment as I have to mould the nacelle. I am absolutely certain that tis is going to be a build well worth following because you will add so much extra detail: and I will be watching and following so that I can try to get some things right on my model!

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Re: Fe2d A6378 or A1959 (WNW Conversion)
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2017, 07:31:03 AM »
Thank you all, Marc, Juan, rtenyes, Manni, Rick and Stephen!

I agree, the thrust line lies higher, I mentioned that in my point 1, but wasn't aware yet of the larger Propeller. Thanks for the hint, rtenyes! Also it is true that the cut-down of the cockpit sides varied extremely. I intend to build A 1959 which had quite high fuselage sides judging from the two photos I have of it. But contrary to A 6378 it was fitted with an engine covering that hides the main fuel tank and most of the engine suspension. And both of these aereas are difficult terrain, because there are not many or no pics respectively.
I browsed through my sources, but couldn't find any photos of a more Fe2b like dashboard, I just found the changed ones.

Well, some progress was made meanwhile and here the photo hosting side that mustn't be named any more also is changed for a better one. I started with reworking the interior of the nacelle. The Fe2d radiator is larger and sits higher and some 4 milimeters more forward than the Fe2b radiator. That pushes the 2nd fuel tank and seat more forward. therefore they changed the dashboard into a flat one which also changed the appearance of the observer's cockpit. All of this was made almoust parallel and frequently compared with the scale plans

The new dashboard was made according to photos


The compass isn't glued in yet. It all needs its wooden colors before installing the cockpit devices.
Borsos
« Last Edit: August 19, 2017, 01:29:07 AM by Borsos »
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Re: Fe2d A6378 or A1959 (WNW Conversion)
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2017, 07:51:16 AM »
Excellent work on the cockpit and instrument panel, looking forward to seeing more progress photos.

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Re: Fe2d A6378 or A1959 (WNW Conversion)
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2017, 08:43:51 AM »
Excellent work to date Andreas! Looking great !
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Re: Fe2d A6378 or A1959 (WNW Conversion)
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2017, 10:49:59 AM »
I will definitely will be watching this build

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Re: Fe2d A6378 or A1959 (WNW Conversion)
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2017, 03:22:49 PM »
Off to a great start! This will be a fun build to watch!

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Re: Fe2d A6378 or A1959 (WNW Conversion)
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2017, 02:28:07 AM »
Superb work, so far, Andreas!  This is going to be a fun build to watch.
Cheers,
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Re: Fe2d A6378 or A1959 (WNW Conversion)
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2017, 08:19:08 AM »
Thank you very much Des, Rick, Kuya, Ian and Bud! It's good to receive such kind words of motivation!

Now I added the shutters to the radiator

"How will you paint the part behind the shutters", you ask me? Well... ahem...good question ::)

The engine covering needs to be vacuformed, so a balsa pattern was made.

The vacuforming process went quite fine

And the part fits the nacelle as it should...

... I wished, the engine would already fit under it and it would have its cut-outs for the engine as it should.

Borsos
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Re: Fe2d A6378 or A1959 (WNW Conversion)
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2017, 03:00:39 AM »
Outstanding work on the radiator shutters and the engine cover! I am looking forward to the next step!
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