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Offline kornbeef

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Re: WnW Bristol F.2b Fighter
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2016, 06:44:20 PM »
Very nice work  ;) I think you'll find the CDL decal over what you have done will look just about perfect.

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Re: WnW Bristol F.2b Fighter
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2016, 10:04:52 PM »
Now those masks are amazingly well done, Chris!  As Keith mentioned,
the CDL decals should look great over your preparations.  Great update,
my friend. :D

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Re: WnW Bristol F.2b Fighter
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2016, 10:55:44 PM »
Exceptional work on the masks! I especially like the Oil Stain!
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Re: WnW Bristol F.2b Fighter
« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2016, 09:42:22 AM »
Justin, Keith, Ernie & Rick, thank you very much for the comments. 

Justin, not sure I am ready to go commercial, but I hope that means you are contemplating a Brisfit as I'd love to see that build.  Keith and Ernie, my fingers are crossed!  Rick, the stain is the bit about which I am least confident, so I appreciate your positive feedback.

Hope to have more to show soon.

Chris

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Re: WnW Bristol F.2b Fighter
« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2016, 10:27:31 AM »
Up until now I have only been lurking and admiring the level of work shown by many of the modellers on this site. However, the work displayed on this particular model, and the imaginative use of the stencil cutter, forces me to comment, and favourably so.

And, allow me to add, the oil stain is most convincing.

I look forward to following this project through to compleation.

Best regards,
DP

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Re: WnW Bristol F.2b Fighter
« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2016, 11:14:36 AM »
DP,

I am very honored that you chose to stop by and leave such a kind comment.  These forums are a constant source of inspiration to me, so I am glad you are getting involved.

Chris

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Re: WnW Bristol F.2b Fighter
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2016, 03:32:03 AM »
Upper surfaces now wear more than just black primer.

I started the process with a loose coat of XF-53 Neutral Grey, followed by XF-52 Flat Earth over the rib tapes:



Next, I masked the ribs and outer frame using a set of masks I cut on the Silhouette. 



Once masked, I sprayed a quick layer of under color: the upper wings got XF-10 Flat Brown, and the lower wings, XF-51 Khaki Drab (with a bit off crossover for both).  My goal was to have the surfaces that receive the most sunlight have a slightly browner tint and the more protected areas a more greenish one.  I will paint the fuselage in a similar fashion.  No pictures at this stage, but the appearance is very uneven and varied still.

Once dried, I removed the masks and sprayed everything with the final PC-10 Mix (XF-62 Olive Drab & XF-10 Flat Brown 2:1 as called for in the instructions).  Thin coats, building up slowly until it looks tied together, but the under layers still show through (at least that's the goal).



Side comment: I am finding it fairly difficult to capture a photograph of the "PC-10" that looks like it does to my eye.  As is visible in this picture, I next used a light grey colored pencil to outline the rib tapes and "seams" along the edges of the wings.  The effect that I was trying to represent can be seen in this photo from James Fahey's (Jamo's) invaluable collection (I hope you don't mind my posting this James, and will remove it if you'd prefer):



The wing on the left shows the pencil work as it looks when first applied, the wing on the right shows the appearance after taking it back with a wet cotton bud.  I was afraid to go too heavy with the effect (and opted not to do the outlines of the reinforcements around the hinges, etc.) but, seeing how much a coat of clear matte dampened things, I think I could have gone a bit further with it.  Next build.... 



I think the colors are close-ish in this picture, but the photograph over emphasizes the pencil marks.  It is also hard to see the color variation between the upper and lower wings; in person, I can see the brown vs green, but it is subtle enough that I would likely not pick up on it if I wasn't aware of it.

Continuing on, this particular aircraft has now been positively identified:



Aside from the little touch up required in the '8', the masking went reasonably smoothly.  I mixed a touch of XF-55 Deck Tan into the X-2 Flat White (1:40) to tone it down a bit.  Emboldened, I decided to have a crack at painting the roundels.  I don't have pictures, but will describe my process for those interested:  I again cut the masks from Tamiya sheet tape, and transferred them to the wing using an oversized piece of clear frisket film.  I had taped the ailerons into position so sprayed the entire roundel as a unit: using the frisket film, I removed all but the outline mask from the surface, and put down a coat of the off-white mixture described above.  Next, (with mixed success... more on this to come), I replaced the center pieces of the mask, and removed the blue section for painting with XF-8 Flat Blue.  For the record, I used a bit of liquid masking agent where the two mask pieces cam together.  Once everything had dried, I covered the blue section, removed the center dot, and sprayed red.  In an exception to my reliance on Tamiya paints, I used Mr. Color 81, Russet, for this as it looked closest to the decal color to my eye.  As I mentioned, I had varying degrees of success in my attempts.  I'll go with the more flattering results first (everything will get clear coated and eventually weathered a bit):



There is a bit of bleed around a couple of the rib tapes, and the thin white edging (very challenging in general) is not perfect, but the results are acceptable.  On the other hand....



Well... it is a learning process, and there is no better instructor than failure.  There is certainly more bleeding on this one, but the deal breaker for me is the misalignment of the aforementioned white border.  This was the first one I did, and the process changed my technique a bit for the other wing.  Here's what I learned: 

•  It is easier to place and remove tape off of a gloss surface than a flat one.  Not shocking, but it made a real difference.  The more you struggle to place and remove the pieces, the greater the odds one of the OMG-#?%!!#-annoyingly-thin ones will end up misshaped.  Sorry.

•  Do what you can to improve visibility.  When everything has a coat of white paint it can be challenging to see how well the replaced mask lines up with its teammates already in place; there is just not enough contrast between the white painted wing surface, and the white painted masking tape.  This is particularly true with a bit of glare on the surface of the glossy frisket tape.  Prior to placing the mask on the starboard wing, I took a black sharpie and coated the tape in a number of places.  Even with a bit of white paint overspray, it was much easier to see the mask edges, and therefore easier to get decent alignment. 

• Don't be penny smart.  I had issues in replacing the port side mask, but rather than "waste" material by cutting another mask, I attempted to fix the problem by removing and adjusting the creased piece.  A single sheet of the masking tape is roughly $1.30 or so.... I'd gladly pay quite a bit more than that to not have to redo the wing now (not to mention the additional mask I will be cutting anyway...)  I think my impatience to get results played a factor here as well, but the concept is the same: pay now, or pay more later.  Either way, it was a poor decision by me.

I think that covers it.  My plan is to sand the roundel back bit so that the edges don't show, and repeat the wing painting process from the last unsullied rib tape.  I am hoping to not have to strip the whole thing, as I can't say I want to repeat the lower surface process as well.  This is why I decided to paint the upper surfaces prior to applying the CDL decals... hopefully I will put my experience to good use and get two clean lower wing roundels when the time comes!

Anyway, long post, so thanks to those who read through it.  Comments, questions, and advice are welcome.  If it is interesting or helpful to anyone, I can photograph the roundel masking process (I'm honestly not sure what the pictures would add, but I'm glad to do it).

Thanks for checking in,

Chris

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Re: WnW Bristol F.2b Fighter
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2016, 05:55:26 AM »
Chris, may I say that your dedication to getting it correct is exemplary, as is your use of an actual photograph as a model. Thank you, and the others on this forum who do the same,  for seeking fidelity to the real thing, as opposed to building yet another model of someone else's model.

Likewise with your determination to not overdo the effect of light reflected off rib tapes and the raised areas of fabric stretched over the ribs. Much like the apparent black inking of panel lines with the WWII crowd,  WWI aircraft that appear to be wearing striped fabric is something that has become di riguer among builders less willing to take the time to observe and study real aircraft.

But I should cease, as I am merely reinforcing the fact that my wife's referring to me as "the Olde Wing Bag" is accurate.

Best regards,
DP

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Re: WnW Bristol F.2b Fighter
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2016, 08:39:37 AM »
Chris, I think you are really doing a marvelous job on the painted-on markings.  As you
say, it's a learning process.  The last roundel shows how you have gotten a handle on the
whole thing.  The vert. stabiliser and rudder look excellent and your treatment of the rib
tapes with the light grey pencil is inspired. Thanks for giving us so much valuable information,
and I am looking forward to the next installments, my friend.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Re: WnW Bristol F.2b Fighter
« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2016, 11:48:32 AM »
DP and Ernie:

Thank you both yet again for your generous comments.

Chris

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Re: WnW Bristol F.2b Fighter
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2016, 08:43:27 AM »
Chris,
Amazing work on the wing painting and rib shading/outlining! I am also impressed with the masks and painting of the Markings. Well Done!
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Re: WnW Bristol F.2b Fighter
« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2016, 05:26:12 PM »
Wow! It Looks great.
A complete new level of paintjob I have seen before.
Bye,
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Re: WnW Bristol F.2b Fighter
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2016, 06:48:53 PM »
Excellent work with the masks and the painting Chris, a beautiful job.

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Re: WnW Bristol F.2b Fighter
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2016, 07:39:05 PM »
That's pretty neat Chris!

I love it when people push the boundaries!

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Re: WnW Bristol F.2b Fighter
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2016, 11:30:08 PM »
Thanks all; very much appreciated.

Guy, I'd certainly agree that MY boundaries are getting pushed!