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Offline IanB

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Re: Roland C.II, Airfix 1:72, corrected! (I hope!)
« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2016, 01:11:53 PM »
Thanks guys!
 I got a start on the primer today and screwed it up. I used Model Master Acryl White primer for the first time and over thinned it....it ran! I let it dry and when I tried to sand it it peeled! I then resprayed it, not thinned as much, and didn't get much better results, so let it dry, sanded it (carefully) again and resprayed with Tamiya flat white -  Much better - I should've used that from the start!



However, I'm not impressed with the rib tapes......width wise they're not too bad, but they're way too prominent for scale and don't look any better than the original moulded Airfix efforts! I think I'll remove them and just use paint to hint at the ribs.



let's face it, in this scale there should be virtually no visual difference at all between the ribs and the wing surface, so I think they have to go.....

Ian

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Re: Roland C.II, Airfix 1:72, corrected! (I hope!)
« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2016, 06:28:43 PM »
Ian,if you mask the space between the ribs and brushpaint the ribtapes you can easily control the thickness by the layers of paint you apply...worth a try!
cheers 
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Re: Roland C.II, Airfix 1:72, corrected! (I hope!)
« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2016, 04:33:43 AM »
I feel your pain. I've used Acryl quite a bit over the years, most of the time with good results. But, I've surely had my share of runs or sags, too. Generally, a fresh bottle needs no thinning to shoot well. Other times, just a drop or 2 of thinner to 1/8 oz. of paint. If your surfaces to be painted are too smooth, with no tooth for the paint to grab onto, you may get results like you experienced. I try for multiple thin coats, without burying the details. I've used flat white & flat black as base coats for a few model cars, but I was a bit surprised that the white primer had a slight sheen to it, not flat. I prefer flat white.

One thing to note, once cured, Acryl is very tough & almost impervious to hotter solvents. Over the past few years, I use it as a barrier coat to prevent hotter lacquer top coats from eating into the plastic.

BUT!..... All of the work you're doing is really looking great!

Steve

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Re: Roland C.II, Airfix 1:72, corrected! (I hope!)
« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2016, 04:56:12 AM »
Looking absolutely gorgeous after your priming, Ian.  It is too bad about the
rib tapes, but I know you will best that little problem, my friend.

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Re: Roland C.II, Airfix 1:72, corrected! (I hope!)
« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2016, 07:42:01 AM »
Very good work and painting, Ian.
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Re: Roland C.II, Airfix 1:72, corrected! (I hope!)
« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2016, 07:57:31 AM »
Thanks folks.
 I thought a little more about the tapes and decided to spray over them a couple more times, then sanded the paint off the tapes....seems to have worked! I'm waiting on the paint to harden properly now before marking the internal wing structure on the undersides. This one presents a slightly unusual problem in that I have to fit both wings before painting so the plan is to fit the upper wing and deal with all the filling etc, then mask the undersides of the wings, spray everything light blue, then unmask and give the undersides a light coat to let the detail show through.....that's the plan anyway...

 By the way, does anyone have both the WNW Roland and Albatros? If so, could you please compare the wheels....I'm thinking of using Barracuda resin Albatros D.V wheels for this and would like to know just how similar they are....

Ian
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Re: Roland C.II, Airfix 1:72, corrected! (I hope!)
« Reply #51 on: March 06, 2016, 02:25:56 AM »
Ian,
       I am so sorry I haven't seen your build thread until today. (Been dealing with too much "real life" of late.)  I've saved this thread for future reference, and plan on catching up on it this weekend.

Beautiful work sir!

Warren

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Re: Roland C.II, Airfix 1:72, corrected! (I hope!)
« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2016, 09:51:14 AM »
You got a very clean wing/fuselage joint, well done.

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Re: Roland C.II, Airfix 1:72, corrected! (I hope!)
« Reply #53 on: March 07, 2016, 01:05:50 PM »
Thanks Warren and Vincent, welcome back Warren!

 I've got a fair bit done this weekend, starting with rubbing back the paint on the rib tapes and marking the structure on the undersides, this was then sealed with a dull coat to stop it smudging although I'm afraid just by doing it, it got a little smudged...hopefully it'll just look dirty when done!
 I also got the upper wing attached and blended in....a lot of very patient filling and sanding over the last day or so but I think it looks pretty good myself, even though it was very tricky to get to underneath...





 I then got the holes for the rollover cage drilled.

 Then I found something that I should have discovered earlier - the radiators were too far back and a little too high! That led to more filling and even more delicate sanding to get the locating slots filled without damaging what I'd already done. It worked out ok, so I filed the rads to fit on the surface instead of into the slots (just 1mm or so off the bottom worked nicely), filled the front and back of them to make them flush (the kit parts have vary noticeable "rims" on them which shouldn't be there) and fitted them. With those in place I had a good reference for the inspection panels and vents, which were made form 5thou strip. When they were dry, I sanded them down to smooth them off and tidy them up.



I just have one more small vent to add under the left wing, just above the radiator, and I need to replace one inspection panel which fell off when sanding, then I can add the tail and rollover frame.

Thanks for looking n!

Ian


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Re: Roland C.II, Airfix 1:72, corrected! (I hope!)
« Reply #54 on: March 07, 2016, 09:17:08 PM »
Excellent update Ian!  Your work blending in the top wing has really
paid dividends...beautifully done.  She is really taking shape now.
Really well done, my friend!

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Re: Roland C.II, Airfix 1:72, corrected! (I hope!)
« Reply #55 on: March 07, 2016, 09:20:16 PM »
This is continuing to be an excellent and informative build! Nice recovery on the wing ribs, and radiators!
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Re: Roland C.II, Airfix 1:72, corrected! (I hope!)
« Reply #56 on: March 08, 2016, 12:42:58 AM »
Wow Ian, you're a machine! You definitely got more done than I was able to with my project. Must be spending less time at the pub!

Keep up the good work!

John

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Re: Roland C.II, Airfix 1:72, corrected! (I hope!)
« Reply #57 on: March 08, 2016, 02:44:51 AM »
Outstanding progress Ian.
Cheers
Martin

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Re: Roland C.II, Airfix 1:72, corrected! (I hope!)
« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2016, 11:38:37 AM »
Thanks all.
 John, the only reason I'm getting so much done is that I was laid off in December, so have nothing else to do right now!

 A long time at the bench today for not much obvious progress... the first step was making and adding the small fairings for the aileron cable pulleys.



 Then I spent rather a long time measuring and marking out the undercarriage mounting points. The reason being, that although it measured out ok, they didn't look right. It turned out that the fuselage is a little too fat, so my measurements from the centre line left the mounts too far down on the side. A little adjustment to get it to look right and they were then drilled. 
 
After that, the tail surfaces...and then I found that I hadn't got the measurements right there either. When I attached the fin, the rudder didn't meet the bottom edge of the fuselage, so I had to break out the sanding stick and correct the depth at the rear end! Hopefully the primer hasn't peeled to the extent that it will be noticeable - I went around the edges of where I'd sanded with a fine sanding stick to try to blend them back in.
 All that sanding did have a positive side as it does mean that I now have bare plastic mating surfaces for the fin and horizontal stabilisers - I had to remove the wing struts to clean the paint off as they kept coming adrift! I definitely won't use that primer again....



Thanks for looking in!

Ian
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Re: Roland C.II, Airfix 1:72, corrected! (I hope!)
« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2016, 12:35:45 PM »
Sorry to read about your layoff, Ian, but very glad to see that you're spending the time wisely!  I've seen this kit built up before, but never with the level of upgrades you've added.  This is promising to be a magnificent model, comparable to any WNW build I've seen.  Looking forward to seeing this little beauty completed.
Cheers,
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