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Offline Gisbod

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Re: Telford 2015
« Reply #60 on: November 11, 2015, 04:27:12 AM »
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It does rather devalue winning anything too..

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Re: Telford 2015
« Reply #61 on: November 11, 2015, 06:13:35 AM »
Congrats, Guy! Very we'll deserved.

Lukasz, I agree with everyone, you were robbed, you should have won. We all know the quality of your work and no one can top you!

Richard, I can't wait to see the new jewels you are producing!

George

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Re: Telford 2015
« Reply #62 on: November 11, 2015, 07:03:07 AM »
To quote George:



Lukasz, I agree with everyone, you were robbed, you should have won. We all know the quality of your work and no one can top you!


George

I very much agree as well.

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Re: Telford 2015
« Reply #63 on: November 11, 2015, 07:16:07 AM »
   It's a pity that the excellent work done by Lucasz and Ron didn't garner any significant recognition. Judging can be very "fickle' at times, some results defy logic! Lucasz, your Bentley is spectacular, and Ron, if the Caproni is anywhere near the quality of what you're producing for Aviattic you too were apparently robbed! >:( :( You both get my votes as "Winners"!
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Re: Telford 2015
« Reply #64 on: November 11, 2015, 07:23:36 AM »
   It's a pity that the excellent work done by Lucasz and Ron didn't garner any significant recognition. Judging can be very "fickle' at times, some results defy logic! Lucasz, your Bentley is spectacular, and Ron, if the Caproni is anywhere near the quality of what you're producing for Aviattic you too were apparently robbed! >:( :( You both get my votes as "Winners"!
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I agree 100% with what Lance has said.

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Re: Telford 2015
« Reply #65 on: November 11, 2015, 01:42:30 PM »
i judge every year at my local ipms contest. what i have found is ww1 aircraft is too obscure and specialized for the average modeller to comprehend. they would look at a model like rons next to a 1/32 spitfire nicely done and think they are in the same class. the reality is comparing mozart to the back street boys. sure the back street boys sold more albums in the few years they were around then mozart sold those same years and most average people would prefer pop to the intricases  and dynamic virtuosity of classical but anyone who knows music would laugh at a comparison.the joe blow guy on the street modeller has NO CLUE what goes into a stellar build like rons caproni.bottom line a decent ww1 aircraft modeller can judge anything as the techniques used are so diverse you are forced to become a master modeller. but a guy who builds standard stuff whether that be yet another me-109 or panzer iv has no clue what we do and is not qualified to judge our models. this is my opinion but i think it is close to reality.

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Re: Telford 2015
« Reply #66 on: November 11, 2015, 02:39:31 PM »
Scott, you are exactly right about everything you said about the differences between WW1 aircraft modeling and other models. I joined a well established model club in my area (So Cal) last weekend. I showed some of my current WnW builds and my Taurus engine. None of the other modelers knew what they were looking at. They were all talented modelers judging by the work they showed, but they had so many questions. They over simplified our whole process. When I told them about the Aviattic linen decals they were surprised and realized that it is much more work than it appears. And they couldn't see the difference between the WnW rotary engine and the Taurus! :o

On the positive side, I think I made a few converts who are interested in trying some WW1 subjects. :)

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Re: Telford 2015
« Reply #67 on: November 12, 2015, 09:08:49 AM »
Ps

It does rather devalue winning anything too..

Guy

Oh how I can empathise with this view Guy.

Though, as said in my last post I had a great weekend I did see the, let's say, 'down side' to things. I did not want to mention them before as didn't want to appear negative but one of the things I did feel (and not for the first time) was the inequality and apparent inconsistency of the judging. Among many other examples a club colleague, my wife and I looked long and hard in bewilderment at the Caproni wondering just what it was the judge(s) didn't/couldn't see.

I have been there - in 2008 I was thrilled to win Gold in the 1/48 aircraft detailed class, a Ju 52 on floats, but the same year had put heart and soul into a 1/35 First Gulf War Challenger tank which was detailed down to tapered wire ends on bungees. Whilst this received a Bronze I felt the judging had simply not been of sufficient awareness. I truly don't believe in making a fuss - at the end of the day someone has to do the job and unfortunately not always are they knowledgeable of the subject in hand. It could be said that they should be of course but that's only going to happen in an ideal world I'm afraid. It can however, as you say, leave one paradoxically questioning the value when one does win  ::)

I haven't deliberately entered a competition for some time now -  personally it doesn't seem so important any more. That's not to take anything away from those that do though - but the fact that the playing field is seemingly on an uneven keel at times can make for quite some disappointment if you 'build to enter'.  As my plastic modelling has developed however I have come to the conclusion that no award is better than the one of being accepted by your peers. Recognition by them is a far better guide as to how well one is doing - at what ever level of skill one has. 

Finally, I wan't going to mention his either but perhaps I should - One of the other 'things' that troubled me was the belligerent and extremely arrogant attitude of some of the 'Yellow Shirts'. Late in the day on Sunday, my wife having to listen I was spoken to in the most appalling way by one of them - No, I didn't rise to the bait nor enter the fray and no, I'm not going to go any further but I can tell you it has had a profound affect on our thinking for the future :(

I won't let it affect my modelling though so now it's back to that Camel  :)

Regards - Tug





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Re: Telford 2015
« Reply #68 on: November 14, 2015, 12:10:30 AM »
There's a large collection of photos from the event here.

http://imodeler.com/tag/scale-modelworld/
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Re: Telford 2015
« Reply #69 on: November 14, 2015, 04:31:06 AM »
Really enjoyed having a look at some awsome modelling skills,thanks Ken.

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Re: Telford 2015
« Reply #70 on: November 14, 2015, 06:42:13 AM »
Thanks Ken for the link to the Telford report, I have only just touched the surface and what I have seen so far is amazing.

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Re: Telford 2015
« Reply #71 on: November 14, 2015, 08:11:11 AM »
Regarding the above comments about judging, I saw the same inequities in 2013.  Some categories were right on, in others I could not understand a "award winner" having un-equal panel lines, miss-aligned landing gear and in-correct/un-even wing and tail incidences, other than having a catchy markings scheme and every panel opened up to reveal some added details.  It was only after I asked about the judging and the criteria did I understand.

Seems they use a 50 point system (10 points each) for Originality, Color schemes, Decals and Markings, Overall Realism and Construction. The category judges mark their sheets, I was not told if it was a team effort or just done individually (which I suspected), and a 2nd party tabulated the results. With this in mind I easily see why results vary so much.

As mentioned in some of the posts by others above, you really need a team that is knowledgeable in the subject and in good modeling skills.  I know IPMS-USA Nationals gets grief over being sometimes too sticky on the construction aspects, but if you don't clear that 1st hurdle of basic modeling craftsmanship the rest can be just a crap shoot.  A team of 3 experienced judges doesn't need a point system to come to a 1-2-3 finish.  True, maybe the most knowledgeable judge (especially in our WWI area) may well be an entrant in the category and thus ineligible, but for the most part it seems to work out.

The one note able exception is the Michael L Fritz Memorial Award for outstanding achievement in modeling of World War I aircraft. AFAIK, in all types of modeling contests it is the sole award that is judged only by the previous award winners. Each new winner then becomes a member of the judging team for future contests- ineligible for a second award- giving others encouragement. Thus the MLF judges are most careful in picking the most appropriate winner. And yes they do this totally independent of the "regular judges", so  they have "rewarded" by this separate award, a few models that were overlooked.

As for Telford, GO !!!! it is worth it just to see the unbelievable number of displays and new products. Take an entry sure, but don't be overly anxious or upset about taking an award or not.
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Re: Telford 2015
« Reply #72 on: November 14, 2015, 01:09:51 PM »
   Thanks for the Link, Ken, there's some absolutely magnificent work on display here. I can't imagine how incredibly impressive a lot of this must be first hand!
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Re: Telford 2015
« Reply #73 on: November 15, 2015, 01:05:19 AM »
Thanks for the link! LOTS of great stuff to see.

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Re: Telford 2015
« Reply #74 on: November 29, 2015, 01:53:44 PM »
I'm aiming for 2017 for a few good reasons. Been there several times, notwithstanding living five time zones away from the UK. I strongly recommend it as arguably the pre-eminent plastic model show in the world: vendors huge and small, swaps, SIGs, UK chapters, a phenomenal collection of modelling work in the UK National Competition...the list goes on. If you can at all get there...get there!  ;D

Exceptional gathering of first rate WW1 models -



1/72nd scale Matchbox/Revell corvette -

 

Cheers!
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