Question about colored doped linen....

[JoeDxMB]

When depicting a CDL fuselage, the same basic color is used on the interior exposed linen .

Now, what about fuselage linen that is painted with  other than clear dope? Does the color bleed throgh to the cockpit  side.
Example... ....what about a fusalage that is painted entirely of silver dope.  How would one depict the interior linen? Would it be a shade of silver?

Did they perhaps first usually  seal the linen with clear dope before over painting it with color?   

[kornbeef]

Theres some evidence of bleeding through yes though to what extent I wouldnt know.  Shots of Swordfish and One or two of Sopwiths (I'm pretty sure I've seen internal shots of a Pup or Tripehound) have a reddish tint to them as the linen was primed with red oxide coloured first it's said.  I for one though tend to make the inner face of the linen somewhat paler than the thickly doped exterior.

Hope this helps

Keith

[JoeDxMB]

Theres some evidence of bleeding through yes though to what extent I wouldnt know.  Shots of Swordfish and One or two of Sopwiths (I'm pretty sure I've seen internal shots of a Pup or Tripehound) have a reddish tint to them as the linen was primed with red oxide coloured first it's said.  I for one though tend to make the inner face of the linen somewhat paler than the thickly doped exterior.

Hope this helps

Keith

Yes, it definately does help. 

BTW,  I plan  on depicting  an all silver (excepct for a red  cowl)  Morane Sauliner A-1.   

[JoeDxMB]

In the case of Alied aircraft, the later, so CDL on the inside, PC10 / 12 on the outside.

I'm not shure exactly what you mean.... can you please elaborate a bit?

[JoeDxMB]

I asked the same question a while back on another site and someone was good enough to post up pictures that showed that the inside remained a light CDL colour even after the outside was coated with PC10 colour, presumably as a result of the linen being sealed / shrunk first.

OK.. that is what I suspected in my OP.
Thanks . 

In any event, I guess  it's like a lot of things in WW1 aircraft........ there is more than one way  that would be historically accurate .

[lcarroll]

I asked the same question a while back on another site and someone was good enough to post up pictures that showed that the inside remained a light CDL colour even after the outside was coated with PC10 colour, presumably as a result of the linen being sealed / shrunk first.

OK.. that is what I suspected in my OP.
Thanks . 

In any event, I guess  it's like a lot of things in WW1 aircraft........ there is more than one way  that would be historically accurate .

You've made a very profound and , IMHO, accurate statement. In my 50+ years of involvement in, albeit to varying degrees of participation,, WWI Aviation the only thing one can be sure of is.................were not sure!!  I really enjoy getting into the "weeds" on various questions and interpretations, and there usually is a correct answer. On the other hand, I never disregard anyone else's interpretation as history and the passage of time have a way of confusing the facts. Learn as much as you can but don't hesitate to apply informed interpretation of the available information; who can call you wrong?
Cheers,
Lance

[Ian from Doncaster]

...... On the other hand, I never disregard anyone else's interpretation as history and the passage of time have a way of confusing the facts. Learn as much as you can but don't hesitate to apply informed interpretation of the available information; who can call you wrong?
Cheers,
Lance

This is precisely why I don't get too deeply involved with historical accuracy (not yet, still learning modelling techniques) as there is often perhaps more than one correct answer, or no proven correct answer.

[pepperman42]

 Those documenting "current" history should note this thread. In 30 yrs are modellers going to be asking "What was the colour of the .... on an F16?"

Steve

[Whiteknuckles]

Those documenting "current" history should note this thread. In 30 yrs are modellers going to be asking "What was the colour of the .... on an F16?"

Steve

At the rate the JSF is going, F16 variants will still be flying 30 years from now

Andrew

[IanB]

Take a look on the Vintage Aviator site:
http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/re8-reproduction/vintage-aviator-re8

There are some good shots of the RE8 showing both the exterior PC10 and interior, almost white linen, in the same shot.

Ian

[ALBATROS1234]

i would think that even if a craft was just doped linen that the interior would be a couple shades lighter. the dope as i understand doesnt completely soak thru the fabric so on the outside it would be a more yellowy cream color due to the dope which is like a varnish and the interior almost white. same on a pc-10 craft it seems like the photos ive seen of original a/c as well as replica the interior linen is usually very light.which to me makes sense.

[Ian from Doncaster]

Does this mean that aircraft primarily painted in PC10 were doped first, to tighten and seal the fabric, before adding the top colour?  That is what I thought but have never been sure.

[Jim52]

Ian,
     I think that that is correct. Dope to shrink the fabric and then color coats. However,
I seem to recall a post by DSA on the 'Drome stating that there was varnish between the
Dope and the color coats. The Varnish was used to actually seal the fabric. I very well
may be mistaken, though.

Jim

[JoeDxMB]

I just thought of something.....
Can we assume  that clear dope was applied at the factory to all aircraft and the individual squadron markings/ colors were applied in the field?

[pepperman42]

In the field or definitely after the initial doping etc. Thats a good assumption and therefore yes the markings would possibly take on a slightly different tone/sheen/texture but in scale that, I suspect, would be minimal.

Steve