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Re: Airfix 1:72 Hannover CL.IIIa
« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2014, 08:31:55 AM »
Beautiful overspraying effect with the blue.
Maybe a good coat of Future could definitely secure and harden the decals?

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Re: Airfix 1:72 Hannover CL.IIIa
« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2014, 08:43:37 AM »
Ian, sorry for the late response! Your overpainting worked well. Too bad about the lifting of the decals. I hope you have them mastered now? Looking great!
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Re: Airfix 1:72 Hannover CL.IIIa
« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2014, 09:52:17 PM »
Looks like a fun build Ian
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Re: Airfix 1:72 Hannover CL.IIIa
« Reply #48 on: June 13, 2014, 12:28:03 PM »
Well, I'm getting good at painting the lozenge....I had to redo it a couple of times, then I compared the colours to the Datafile and W&W lozenge I have and the colours were totally wrong! Not sure where the lilac and brown came from, but from what I can see the 4 colour was light and dark green, dull blue, and "dark blond" so...I repainted it all again! I must admit I'm much happier now even though the light green is a little too bright.
 
The dull blue is RLM 24 Dunkelblau and the dark blond is Afrika Grunbraun, both Modelmaster colours. They are an almost perfect match to the W&W decals - it sort of makes sense that colours that already existed would be used 20 years later instead of remixing them, so maybe there are other matches in the RLM series for WWI colours....



I also painted and oversprayed the fuselage underside while I was doing it. I may have gone a little too much on the blue overspray but I like the way it looks, so it'll stay.

 Next step - not sure yet...I've sprayed the wings white but I'm not sure whether I should respray the upper surfaces in a buff or light tan colour as the W&W decals are so transparent......views from those who've used them would be welcome! Then a gloss coat, drill the rigging holes and add some decals......

Oh, and does anyone know what the rudder colour was for Flieger Abteilung (A) 226? Looking at the pic in the Datafile it is one solid, light colour. Not white as there is plenty of contrast between it and the white of the cross. I'm thinking maybe yellow or light blue?

Ian
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Re: Airfix 1:72 Hannover CL.IIIa
« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2014, 12:44:30 PM »
Really looking good, Ian!  Love the blue over-spray.  The lozenge looks fantastic, as well.
Cheers,
Bud
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Re: Airfix 1:72 Hannover CL.IIIa
« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2014, 10:54:55 AM »
One step forward two steps back.... I kept having problems with the decals, they wouldn't stick or form to the details, and wrinkled up, so I finally took the plunge and ripped them off. They came off extremely easily, just like that old painted-on rubber masking that used to be available.





 This really doesn't sit well as I also have a set of Doug's decals for my Merlin AEG G.IV - I guess I'll have to hand paint that too. My advice - don't even think about these decals, they're awful - they won't adhere, won't mould to the details, and separate/wrinkle if handled even a week after application. They behave just like a painted rubber sheath!
 A whole week's work down the drain, (not to mention the cost, long wait and overall hassle of these "decals") - but it needs to be right.....

Ian
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Re: Airfix 1:72 Hannover CL.IIIa
« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2014, 12:34:34 PM »
Too bad about the decals but you gotta trust your gut-- if it's not working, it's not working, bring on plan B

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Re: Airfix 1:72 Hannover CL.IIIa
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2014, 12:42:23 PM »
Ian,
Certainly a bummer about the decals but as Bo said, go with your gut! On the other hand, what about these  :-X

http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=3588.0

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Re: Airfix 1:72 Hannover CL.IIIa
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2014, 01:14:50 PM »
I saw those the other day, Rick.
I thought about them, but I've decided against wraps for now, especially when the national markings etc are part of the wrap. There's no room for error there. If the camo was a wrap, (or a sheet so I could make templates), and the rest were separate decals, I would probably go for them.
 I've just spent the evening marking out the pattern in pencil and labeling the colours so I can be sure I've planned it correctly. Tomorrow I start painting...again!

Ian

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Re: Airfix 1:72 Hannover CL.IIIa
« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2014, 07:45:08 PM »
Ian, I'm glad you're back at it. Really too bad about the decals, but I'm
sure you will come out of this with a great model...you certainly have
the build well in hand.  I look forward to seeing your next updates.

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Re: Airfix 1:72 Hannover CL.IIIa
« Reply #55 on: June 16, 2014, 07:19:47 AM »
Almost back to where I was!
 
 All the lozenge is painted, a little touch-up maybe in places, but ready for the blue overspray again. I also changed the colours slightly: Dark Green is Modelmaster Imperial Japanese Army Green, light green is "coach green", a Polyscale railway colour.









Ian

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Re: Airfix 1:72 Hannover CL.IIIa
« Reply #56 on: June 16, 2014, 07:25:45 AM »
What a pity with the decals. Looks like Hannovers moult when summer comes...
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it sort of makes sense that colours that already existed would be used 20 years later instead of remixing them, so maybe there are other matches in the RLM series for WWI colours....
An interesting point of view. Also makes sense with the grey-green that almost matches the RLM02.

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Re: Airfix 1:72 Hannover CL.IIIa
« Reply #57 on: June 16, 2014, 07:51:41 AM »
Alright, Ian!  Looking even better than the decals.  Very fine recovery.
Cheers,
Bud
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Re: Airfix 1:72 Hannover CL.IIIa
« Reply #58 on: June 16, 2014, 08:32:19 AM »
Nice recovery.

Regarding RLM colors and WWI colors -- possibly. In 1925 the German government standardized colors across all services, based on a color system using indigenous pigments. There was a base palette of pure colors, and the remaining colors were mixed from those in regimented proportions. These colors formed the basis of the familiar two digit RLM colors. For more info see vol 1 of Luftwaffe Colors.

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Re: Airfix 1:72 Hannover CL.IIIa
« Reply #59 on: June 16, 2014, 09:06:48 AM »
Alright, Ian!  Looking even better than the decals.  Very fine recovery.
Cheers,
Bud

Ian,
I agree with my Amigo! Even better than the decals were originally! Excellent work on your recovery from the issues!
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