1/48 Eduard: Morane Saulnier type L Jean Navarre april of 1915

[Alexis]

Very nice job on the pit , will follow along as you make progress .




Terri

[xan]

The cutting of the wood fuselage is quite strange and complicated.

you were absolutly right Philippe , so I simplified it:



I had no information about what the upper fuselage looks like..

Just that pic:

there is a big wood piece beside the observer. First I thought it was for the machine gun , and mine had not any machine gun
I had a loook for other Morane Saulnier planes, (aircraft manufacturers often repeat the same system fronm a plane to the other)
the type H in the musée de l'arméee in Paris and the "echarpe blanche" team's replica have this wooden part too.


http://ms-h-garros.blogspot.com.es/2013/06/une-visite-au-musee-de-lair-et-de.html


http://www.lecharpeblanche.fr/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Morane-Type-H-F-AZMS-0058.jpg

The type H is quite close to type L , so I decide to represent it...

in the front, i add a piece of plastic card too (I love to do my models in 3D  )



well, fuselage have a better look than some days ago, it surely means that we are on the right way 

Xan

[xan]

Hello the fuselage is nearly prepared.
I had a lock at the wing.

1) the ringging

Of course in this case of plane it's a central question wich require all the care...

Two years ago I did a morane saulnier type N


Of course it was a Jean navarre 's plane the next I got after the one I'm doing know

I took the kit in Lyon for a model show. There I met Philippe (Sodium) who was just starting his bullet project...
He told me my mount was not bad but it had a defect the way I represent the ringging:



I knew he was wright
the eyelets are double and not single has I represented them...



Same thing in this type H replic:



here is what it looks like in th type N:


I had to answer that I knew that, but I didn't knew how to represent it....
Seriosly we spent a very good week-end speaking two days about WWI planes!

Well, the problem was that the type L has the same type of ringging , and this years I will return to Lyon...
My modeler honor was engaged...
I was trying to find I way to represent it but I didn't find anything , just because I was traying to fand a way to represent the ring in twa parts : the boucle in the wing and the ring .
At least II fond a way , and it was quite simple: the same wire will represent all, I used a swab stretched.
Quite logical but it took me a lot of time to find it!
a lot of time to do it so! I will have to do it 24 times! But I find a way and its OK 

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2) the ribs

in the Musée de l'air's  type G, wing seems to  have wodden rods to reforce and protect the sewing in the ribs:


http://www.mincbergr.net/index.php?page=morane-saulnier-h

the same kind of rods seems to appear in the type N



and in the type L too (there is not a lot of pics who shows type L's upside of the wings)


http://pages14-18.mesdiscussions.net/pages1418/aviation-1914-1918/garros-versus-gilbert-sujet_2352_1.htm


it seems there is a light fabric strip upside the wooden rod isn't it

Sir Sodium, du you confirm the presence of those wooden rods? just upside or in the both sides ?

in the "musée de l'air" they painted them in black. I'm thinking about to do the same thing.
Does it make sense in your point of you? (I know I carefull you are with paints interpretations)

those question are either for anybody wha have any idea about this question of course 


Xan

[RAGIII]

Xan,
I think your solution to the turnbuckles is perfect, especially for the scale! Your wood panel around the cockpit will look terrific!
RAGIII

[radio]

Very great work Xan.
Martin

[sodium]

Hello xan
Very quick and good work. I prefer the new cockpit area.
I have no specific informations about type L. Probably an H family ressemblance.
For the upper side of fuselage, a panel for a luggage compartment I suppose and a fuel tank would be good. You can notice there’s a pump if there’s a tank.
For ringing, I suppose it’s only an "épissure" splice ? . Your model looks good. To represent “attache des haubans” the pressure is now on me 
You will find joncs on the both side in natural brown varnish or black paint if you prefer.
amicalement
philippe

[eindecker]

In Josef Scott's Eindecker Compendia he discusses the use of split bamboo rods to cover the rib tapes. Maybe the same?

[xan]

it's no so strange:
wikipedia:
The Eindecker was based on Fokker's unarmed Fokker M.5K scout (military designation Fokker A.III) itself following very closely the design of the French Morane-Saulnier H shoulder-wing monoplane, but using chrome-molybdenum steel tubing for the basic fuselage structure instead of wooden components.

Xan

[xan]

Hello,
it doesn't mean a thing but a I spend many days trying to make disappeared the line between the two half fuselage. when surfacer dried, it appears agian.
Well at last i won:



Anyway I found a beautyfull Guynemer pic in "gallica " website who show a lot of things. I think I'm gone completed my pilot place...


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b69455912/f1.zoom.r=Morane%20Saulnier.langFR

Xan

[xan]

Happy new year to everybody!

the luggage compartment door behind the observer is in its place.
I add in the interior the document holders in black as an oil level nivel that no one will see (to deep , too small... )



and the landing gear are in place.
Here's what they look like:



the  "Musée de l'air" type H's landing gears:

http://www.mincbergr.net/uploads/images/museums/musee-de-lair-de-bourget/morane-saulnier-h-06.jpg


the result:



Xan









   

[WarrenD]

Xan, this is a really great build. I have a soft spot for French a/c & pilots of the Great War.

Warren

[RAGIII]

Your fuselage has turned out to be awesome to say the least! I also admire the rebuild of the gear! Just outstanding work!
RAGIII

[KitRookie37]

Hello to all,
What a work !!! Excellent !
Friendly.
Alain.

[radio]

Xan it is a absolut gret work of very difficult early  Eduard kit.
Martin

[coyotemagic]

Outstanding work on a challenging kit, Xan!  She'll be a real beauty when finished.
Cheers,
Bud