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Re: Flashback Aviatik D.I Berg (resurfacing after 9 years)
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2012, 10:30:29 PM »
I tried the colored pencil over Tamiya paint and while it may work for some finishes with painted spots I wasn't able to control the size of the dots (I was using a dark brown water color pencil dipped in water).  The profile and photo in the JaPo book shows small dots 2" in diameter.  While I sharpened the pencil as the lead became soft over each application the tip would get larger and the dots grew to 4" - 5" wide.  Off to the art supply store today to look at the various fine tip brown and green markers - will let you know how this next step goes.   
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Re: Flashback Aviatik D.I Berg (resurfacing after 9 years)
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2012, 01:48:13 AM »
That sounds like that might be the solution, Charlie.  Good luck.
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Re: Flashback Aviatik D.I Berg (resurfacing after 9 years)
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2012, 06:39:32 AM »
A couple of updates, after using the brown fine tipped pen.  the ink does smear so will wait a couple of days and spray a flat water based finish to see it that helps. 
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Re: Flashback Aviatik D.I Berg (resurfacing after 9 years)
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2012, 07:19:21 AM »
  Charlie,
Your camouflage application looks great my friend. Excellent idea and one surely easier than applying the same with tweezers and sponge. I'm looking forward to seeing the second color applied over the brown. Impressive work.
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Re: Flashback Aviatik D.I Berg (resurfacing after 9 years)
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2012, 08:30:15 AM »
wow, that looks really nice. good idea.

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Re: Flashback Aviatik D.I Berg (resurfacing after 9 years)
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2012, 09:47:38 AM »
That looks fantastic, Charlie.  Be careful you don't end up with carpal tunnel.
Cheers,
Bud
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Re: Flashback Aviatik D.I Berg (resurfacing after 9 years)
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2012, 10:31:38 AM »
Charlie, Looks awesome!
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Re: Flashback Aviatik D.I Berg (resurfacing after 9 years)
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2012, 11:50:02 PM »
Charlie;

I hate to have to say this, but one of your dots is fractionally out of place.  ::)

No seriously mate, that camo is absolutely stunning, superb job.

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Re: Flashback Aviatik D.I Berg (resurfacing after 9 years)
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2012, 12:26:14 AM »
I am just getting into the A-H finishes, I have an eduard Albatros I plan to finish in the sworl fabric next which should be a breeze after this model is finished.  I used a water color pencil to do the green dots all I have next to to complete the lower wing and the camo is finished.   I hope spraying the water based flat finish works after the past two days of applying the dot patterns, if not 'lessons learned' with this method.....

I haven't finished a model airplane in the last few years as I built a model railroad in the basement.  It's a nice change to get back into the the Great War's aircraft.  If you have an interest in my model RR here's the url.   Mopac51.tripod.com/
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Re: Flashback Aviatik D.I Berg (resurfacing after 9 years)
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2012, 12:49:36 AM »
Charlie, what brand of markers did you purchase and use to do the "Spots"...??? 

The spotting Camouflage looks really good and seems straight forward in it's application ..

The Avia will, no doubt, be a fine refurbished Bird.. ;)

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Re: Flashback Aviatik D.I Berg (resurfacing after 9 years)
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2012, 04:20:22 AM »
Dean:
I used a brown Micron 05 #1 Archival ink pen for the brown dots and Berol Prismacolor PC909 Grass Green for the green ones.  Sharpen the green pencil and dip in water to make to dots.

I sprayed the fuselage with a mix of Tamiya desert yellow, white and yellow for the base color and then applied the dots.  After the ink and water color was dry I sprayed a coat of Poly Scale Satin Finish over the entire airframe.  Now to find some crosses with white outlines for the top wing and tail.  I have three 'T' decals that are close so I can modify them for the sides, top and bottom. 

Charlie
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Re: Flashback Aviatik D.I Berg (resurfacing after 9 years)
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2012, 05:27:14 AM »
  Charlie,
The camouflage looks great my friend. Not to criticize the work you've done but I believe the camouflage will appear closer to the actual with a denser coloring. Here's an example for you.


 Although this is a Aviatik C.1 the camouflage scheme I believe is the same your are  doing and is referred to as Autumn Leaf Mottle.
* Taken from Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft of World War One....
" Autumn Leaf Mottle ---- This finish was produced by the application of three colors by dabbing the surface with paint saturated sponges or rags. The three basic colors used were Mustard Yellow 4B6, Terra Cotta 7D7 and Medium Green 27E8. The resulting appearance resembled the changing leaf colors in autumn."

 I hope this is useful to you Charlie. Looking forward to seeing more of this excellent project of yours.
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Re: Flashback Aviatik D.I Berg (resurfacing after 9 years)
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2012, 05:47:26 AM »
After applying the numerous dots I can only assume the mechanics were bored and the weather conditions kept the Berg in the hanger for a few days so they passed the time with a very small paint brush.  I've used the sponge technique and I have to tell you it's much easier to do.  I still need to apply the Fokker sytle streaking will probably use oil paints so I can control the application.   There are a few profiles and photos in the JaPo book showing this dot pattern or variations near it.
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Re: Flashback Aviatik D.I Berg (resurfacing after 9 years)
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2012, 12:56:36 AM »
Great work with the markers!!!

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Re: Flashback Aviatik D.I Berg (resurfacing after 9 years)
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2012, 07:26:10 AM »
After I finished to brown and green dot patterns and sprayed on the satin finish I applied some 'Fokker-Like' streaking along the tail, fuselage and the top of both wings.  This was done using Paynes Gray oil paints - dry brushing lightly across the surfaces.  I the started decaling the crosses and found I needed to reduce the size of the cross on the top wing.  You can see in the photos I merely cut off the white on the tops of the four arms and will apply a white stripe over some of the black to reduce the overall size.  The decals were pretty old and I hope the top one of the left closes up where you can see it cracking.  I little black paint will hopefully help.

Charlie   
« Last Edit: June 09, 2012, 07:29:47 AM by cduckworth »
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