WNW Albatros DV - Kurt Monnington Jasta 15 & 18

[lcarroll]

  Thanks so much all of you for the positive feedback. I was beginning to lose faith in the results, we all tend to be our own worst critics and I have recently had a thought that I am going too far to the worn and dirty side on this one. Your comments, given the tremendous amount of exceptional skills you all illustrate in your projects, are heartening and inspirational to say the very least!
   I recall a serious conversation (over several or a half dozen pints) I had with Tom Morgan (Doctor Morgan) at the Western Canadian Regionals this year. Tom was philosophising on the various finishes we see from the super clean to the well worn and dirty; to quote him more or less he said "look closely at the photos........they were bloody filthy shortly after going into service and got more so". The examples I saw of his work were pristine however his armor subjects in which he is world class as well went to the other extreme. Lots of food for thought from a real artist however I like them all!
   Thanks again for the encouraging replies, I'll get back at her in a few days with a little more confidence and vigor.
Cheers,
Lance

[Pete Nottingham]

Lovely job Lance, don't loose faith my friend, the end result will be superb.

Cheers

Pete.

[NinetythirdLiberator]

Nice!  I have to try that pastel method.  I keep spraying with paint but this seems much more controlled.    Excellent!

Dan

[LindsayT]

I think what you did with the black fuse has turned out to be the unsung hero of the build, Lance. I'm really, really impressed with what a subtle, but important effect it turned out to be. Great extra depth. Well done, and well worth the delays.

Lindsay

[lcarroll]

Thanks Lindsay. I hope to get a few hours later today, mired down in the rigging as I'm trying a new approach on this one. Rather then going "eyelet to eyelet" with brass tubes slid into each eyelet position I'm adding another eyelet to each end of the wires. (read this on someone's build thread and liked the results) Makes for crossed eyes and slow progress. Hard to describe however I'll be posting a few photos shortly to illustrate.
Cheers,
Lance

[Des]

I have not seen the rigging attachment method you speak of Lance, I am very interested in seeing the results. Keep up the good work, you bird is looking excellent.

Des.

[lcarroll]

I have not seen the rigging attachment method you speak of Lance, I am very interested in seeing the results. Keep up the good work, you bird is looking excellent.

Des.

Des,
  No photos to follow as the `new technique`was a monumental failure, at least when used by me. Briefly, I wanted to use brass tubes with eyelets pre attached in the sequence:
       Eyelet mounted in wing(as per normal) Attach brass tube (with very thin mono) with eyelet pre inserted and glued, then mono rigging material attached and on to the far end to repeat. Briefly, it looked too `busy`and cluttered to my eye so off it all came at the expense of a full day`s work. No damage done, lessons learned, and onward and upwards as the sayiing goes.
    Hopefully I`ll catch up tomorrow, will get some photos posted once the upper wing`s on and rigging in place.
Cheers,
Lance

[Dal Gavan]

Yes please to more photo's, Lance.  I'd also like to see you're rigging experiment.  Would you mind posting a quick sketch?

Cheers.

Dal.

[lcarroll]

Yes please to more photo's, Lance.  I'd also like to see you're rigging experiment.  Would you mind posting a quick sketch?

Cheers.

Dal.

Dal,
    I'll take a quick photo or two; I was clever enough to make a dozen assemblies (took a fair amount of time) which I hope to use elsewhere. Will post them by end of day...........
Cheers,
Lance

[kornbeef]

Wel never never try a new method, that way you learn and develop Lance.  But if you rarent happy wityh he results I can understand that totally.

My usual method is mounting point-eyelet<>eyelet (I link one into another while making them) 3mm brass .5 tube with eyelet glued in both ends then a short 1mm or so length of tube through which the actual rigging material is threaded and tensioned, tight and is secured with an eyelet too at the remote end and adjustment is made at the turnbuckle end.

I find this method gives greater movement of the turnbuckle assy itself and adds interest without being too obtrusive.


Keith

[lcarroll]

Keith,
   I tried your method of joining eyelets by constructing one to capture the other. I just could not get other then a "too large" eyelet; I make a lot of my own however forming one around the other proved too large. Possibly my fingers are too large, eyes see "too small" (even with the optivisor it was a daunting task) or a combo of both.
   I then tried your illustrated method Chris however I inserted and CA'd a very fine mono (Dai-Riki Size 7X .004") in the wing end of the tube/buckle in lieu of the second eyelet and then tied and CA'd onto the wing mounted eyelet. In this case I found it very difficult to tie in to the eyelet without a gap between the two I had previously tried one wire with the two eyelets per the diagram and may try it again on another build. In the end I found it too "busy" for my tastes, too much hardware visible. I removed it all and went with my standard of "structure, eyelet inserted, tie and CA the mono and then slide the brass tube down to the eyelet and CA with a tiny shot of ultra thin.
   Fortunately all the foregoing was attached to the lower wings only as prep for the mounting of the upper wing and then final tie in of the interplane wires.
Now I've no doubt totally confused all.......................
Cheers,
Lance

[lcarroll]

  No update photos today, lots of progress accomplished in the last two days as I try (not a bloody hope!!) to make the 31 August deadline of a Group Built this one's entered in elsewhere. If I had one free day I'd be comfortable however a Funeral tomorrow followed by 6 straight work days means life has stepped into the path of that plan!
  I have the engine completely plumbed now, Radiator shutter controls on, a scratch built mirror that is really a mirror, upper wing installed, and rigging started.
   As much as I believe I am followed around by a very dark black ugly cloud I had a stroke of luck today that I really must share:

   After installing the upper wing I decided to clean up the desk a bit before starting the rigging. I had the Albatros in my wood box/cradle which I support my models in progress and pushed it to the very back of the desk. As I continued the large and heavy halogen lamp I have mounted to the upper case of the roll top desk snapped it's mount and crashed down on top of everything, the Albie got only a glancing blow and was undamaged. Had I not pushed it back it would have been completely crushed.
   Needless to say the lamp will be used elsewhere, I'll be shopping for something a little less risky!
Cheers,
Lance
 

[PrzemoL]

Keith,
   I tried your method of joining eyelets by constructing one to capture the other. I just could not get other then a "too large" eyelet; I make a lot of my own however forming one around the other proved too large. Possibly my fingers are too large, eyes see "too small" (even with the optivisor it was a daunting task) or a combo of both.
   I then tried your illustrated method Chris however I inserted and CA'd a very fine mono (Dai-Riki Size 7X .004") in the wing end of the tube/buckle in lieu of the second eyelet and then tied and CA'd onto the wing mounted eyelet. In this case I found it very difficult to tie in to the eyelet without a gap between the two I had previously tried one wire with the two eyelets per the diagram and may try it again on another build. In the end I found it too "busy" for my tastes, too much hardware visible. I removed it all and went with my standard of "structure, eyelet inserted, tie and CA the mono and then slide the brass tube down to the eyelet and CA with a tiny shot of ultra thin.
   Fortunately all the foregoing was attached to the lower wings only as prep for the mounting of the upper wing and then final tie in of the interplane wires.
Now I've no doubt totally confused all.......................
Cheers,
Lance

If I may...

Usually I am using an eyelet and a tube (from Bob's buckles set, 0.3 mm inner diameter) with a monofilament fishing line (0.12 mm diameter) passed thrice through it. The latter after tightening and trimming the excess line yields a very fine (IMHO) turnbuckle.

[bobs_buckles]

Bingo!
Nice pics, PrzemoL! 

BVB

[lcarroll]

Przemol, von Buckle,
    One of life's great mysterys to me is how to get monofil (I've tried all sizes down to 7X Dai-Riki (.004" which I'd say must be close to 0.10mm as .005" equals 0.13mm) back through one of the tubes even a second time. (I use the Bob's Buckles stuff as well) Obviously the thicker line is too large for the brass tube to accomodate and, in my experience, the thinner you go the more difficult to push back through, too flexible. I like the results in the foregoing by Prez however I must be missing something in my attempts.
    As a post script "von Need More Buckles", an order will follow shortly as I was unsuccesful at retrieving all but a few of the estimated 174 loops and tubes (perhaps only a slight exageration) that I "tweezer-pulted" into the gaping maw of the dreaded Floor Monster"!
Cheers,
Lance