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Offline BigBlue

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Re: Wingnut Wings Fokker E.II/E.III Early
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2014, 01:16:46 PM »
I think to really sell this you need to think about negative space (sorry, ArtSpeak) -- you want the viewer to be unable to discern which is negative space (the background color) and which is positive (the "swirls"); to do so the swirls and the background need to be really tightly integrated... If that makes any sense

Bo,

I am familiar with the concept of negative space, and believe you are correct about the integration.  I had not seen Dirk's build, so appreciate the tip in that direction.  His results are quite nice.

Thanks again for the pointers,

Chris

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Re: Wingnut Wings Fokker E.II/E.III Early
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2014, 12:41:54 AM »
I think what you've accomplished here looks excellent. I'd sure be pleased if it was mine.

Cheers,

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Re: Wingnut Wings Fokker E.II/E.III Early
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2014, 04:48:29 AM »
Hello Big Blue:

I think what you have accomplished there looks pretty darned good.  I tried using the paints and methods that WNW recommended in their tutorial, but switched to Testors Silver.   I like what you have there and look forward to following your build.

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Mark
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Re: Wingnut Wings Fokker E.II/E.III Early
« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2014, 12:56:34 AM »
Chris and Mark: Thanks for the positive comments, they are always appreciated.

Turned metal effect round 2...

(Actually round 28 or so, but who is counting?)

Ok, here is my latest attempt at replicating the Eindecker's metal work:



I wasn't happy with the version I showed earlier in the process, so I stripped the parts down and took another shot at it.  I played with a number of paint combinations on some scrap plastic, eventually narrowing it down to two options.  The first, which I thought looked good, was using a base coat of Alclad Dark Aluminum, and hand painting the swirls using Mr. Metal Color aluminum.  After some light buffing, the aluminum blended into the surface, and the combination looked convincingly metallic.  I opted against this because of the fragility of the Mr. Metal Color; I tried a clear topcoat to protect it, but since so much of the effect was based on the differences in reflection, the constant sheen of the clear coat killed it.  I wasn't comfortable leaving it unprotected, so I opted for the runner up, which you see above.

This version relies on one of Alclad's "special" shades, Airframe Aluminum.  The Alclad special shades are highly transparent, and rely on their undercoat for the finish properties.  Typically, you would spray a gloss black base beneath Airframe Aluminum, which results in a shiny, polished metal appearance.  In this case, however, I started with a base of matt Tamiya Neutral Gray (XF-53) which gives a dull, weathered aluminum presentation under the Alclad.  For the contrasting swirls, I used Mr. Color Off White, which has a medium glossy finish, providing contrast in both color and reflectivity.  Unlike my experience painting with the Tamiya shades, it was quite easy to see what I was doing with this method.



Overall, I think the results are a bit of a mixed bag.  My brush painting skills are not impressive, and certainly impacted the final appearance.  In places where my paint coverage was too light, the swirls can get a bit lost under the Alclad, resulting in a very subtle effect.  In other places where I put it down too thick, the extra dimension takes away from the illusion a bit.  Perhaps the 1/32 Fokker machinists laid the aluminum on a bit too heavy in those spots.  The overall appearance is metallic, albeit a generally dull and oxidized metal, swirls aside.  I had the most trouble painting the cowl due to both its shape and the flexibility of the resin (lovely though it is), and in fact have stripped it again to make another attempt.  More swirl painting for me...

That's all for now.  Comments, questions, suggestions are welcome.

Chris

 

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Re: Wingnut Wings Fokker E.II/E.III Early
« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2014, 01:05:34 AM »
Fantastic metal work !
Jacek

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Re: Wingnut Wings Fokker E.II/E.III Early
« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2014, 01:16:22 AM »
Thank you Jacek. 

I hope so!  have been staring at swirls for so long now, I feel I may have lost my perspective on what is working and what isn't.  I should probably take that as a sign to put it down for a bit, and start working on my D.VII!

Chris

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Re: Wingnut Wings Fokker E.II/E.III Early
« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2014, 02:45:35 AM »
Hello Big Blue:

The swirls are definately a bugger to get 'right'.  I Think right is in the eye of the beholder.  Whatever technique works and has the desired effect is what works.  I think yours turned out pretty darn good and once on the model will look outstanding.  It takes on a different look once completed.  I wouldn't go through it again.  I am doing the E.IV now and am begining to get 'swirled out'.

Looking forward to seeing you progress and your next update.

Best

Mark
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Re: Wingnut Wings Fokker E.II/E.III Early
« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2014, 03:24:35 AM »
Either way would have been fine with me so choose what makes you happy!
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Re: Wingnut Wings Fokker E.II/E.III Early
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2014, 12:55:38 PM »
Thanks for the comments, Mark & Rick.  Always appreciated.  As an aside, I always smile when I see your signature, Rick, as Callahan is one of my favorite photographers.  Years ago, my wife and I were looking for a house, and we visited one that had a Callahan photograph on the wall that I recognized.  Somewhat unusually, the home owner, an older gentleman, was there while we looked around, and he saw me admiring it.  I told him I was a fan, and he surprised me by telling me that the subject was his wife!  Callahan saw her on the street and took the picture.  What a nice thing to have.

Anyway, I have re-painted the cowl, and am happy with the results:



One note: I used Mr. Color 332, Light Aircraft Gray rather than the Off-White for the swirls, and got a better outcome.  I think that the light gray is closer to an aluminum color than the white is, so it takes less Airframe Aluminum to accomplish the metallic effect.  The thinner Alclad coat results in better contrast between the swirls and the base.  Whatever the reason, it is noticeably more effective and consistent with this color.

Ok, next post will be about something other than swirls.   :)

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Re: Wingnut Wings Fokker E.II/E.III Early
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2014, 11:28:54 PM »
Hello Big Blue:

I think you nailed it this time.  The other one looked alright, but; I like this better.  I wonder if an overspray of some buffing aluminum paint would have nailed it with the white swirls?  Curious.  Looking forward to the next update. 

Best

Mark
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Re: Wingnut Wings Fokker E.II/E.III Early
« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2014, 06:49:24 AM »
Small progress.

I finally finished (re)working the swirls, painted and dirtied up the interior walls, and buttoned up the fuselage.  One last picture prior to closure:



I'll let everything dry overnight, and will clean up my seams tomorrow.  Hopefully I'll get to painting soon.  I also plan to spend some time on the Taurus Oberursul in the near future.

Thanks for checking in,

Chris

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Re: Wingnut Wings Fokker E.II/E.III Early
« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2014, 07:04:54 AM »
looks really sharp Chris...

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Re: Wingnut Wings Fokker E.II/E.III Early
« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2014, 07:56:25 AM »
Hello, Chris -

Your cockpit detail looks good and I think your final version of turned metal looks about right to me.

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Re: Wingnut Wings Fokker E.II/E.III Early
« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2014, 08:19:39 AM »
Looks Excellent! Your last swirl version seems to be right on!
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Re: Wingnut Wings Fokker E.II/E.III Early
« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2014, 10:02:25 AM »
Very nice indeed ! Metal work turn out most excellent  :)




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