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Re: A third Nieuport XI, Copper State Models, 1:32
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2025, 12:34:40 AM »
Excellent progress Andreas! Your seat belts and cushion are yet another example of a leather finish that looks real!
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Re: A third Nieuport XI, Copper State Models, 1:32
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2025, 08:18:25 AM »
Thank you very much, Joerg, Bertl, Edo, Nigel and Rick!

Bertl, yes, the Albatros needs to wait for the finish of this one.

Edo, Tranks for the hint! A better photo lightning and background are already on their way.



There is just a cross-bracing wire behind the seat, no cover, so detailing the back of the fuselage is worth a little effort


It will be visible, I think.



Fit is still perfect.

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Re: A third Nieuport XI, Copper State Models, 1:32
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2025, 08:29:57 AM »
There is just a cross-bracing wire behind the seat, no cover, so detailing the back of the fuselage is worth a little effort

It will be visible, I think.
It's just about visible with a good light pointed in the right direction...... ;)

I didn't do the extra cross bracing but I did paint the fuselage interior and wooden framework just in case. I also had a couple of control wires leading from the back of the seat towards the rear.

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Re: A third Nieuport XI, Copper State Models, 1:32
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2025, 05:31:24 AM »
Very realistic effect sir!

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Re: A third Nieuport XI, Copper State Models, 1:32
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2025, 08:43:45 AM »
Looks great Andreas.
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Re: A third Nieuport XI, Copper State Models, 1:32
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2025, 02:18:34 PM »
Just beautiful!
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Re: A third Nieuport XI, Copper State Models, 1:32
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2025, 07:54:18 AM »
Thanks a lot, Zac, Alan, Tim and Nigel. Nigel, there is so much  in the cockpit that is invisible in the end, it was only fair to add some detail in the back, too  :)

I went on finishing the construction of the fuselage. Now it is painting evening after evening. I had ruined the needle of my airbrush (one should go to sleep when tired, not to the paint shop). And I had tried to fix it by straightening the bent needle. With that I ruined some parts of the paint job. In the end i ordered a new needle ? way better. I should have done this before.












I also played around with some chipping effects where I had some fatty varnish in mind that chipped easily.


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Re: A third Nieuport XI, Copper State Models, 1:32
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2025, 10:06:59 AM »
The work you've done so far Andreas is wonderful. I'm just catching up on your build and am amazed at your progress. That internal internal wire bracing is exceptional.
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Re: A third Nieuport XI, Copper State Models, 1:32
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2025, 07:19:06 PM »
Lovely work Andreas. A pity about that bent needle, glad you got it fixed!

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Re: A third Nieuport XI, Copper State Models, 1:32
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2025, 05:37:34 AM »
Andreas
please do not forget, the panels and the fuselage are of a different materials, the panels are plywood covered with linen and covered with layer of varnish, so it should looks not the same as the rest of the fuselage, at least that is how I think it should be)

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Re: A third Nieuport XI, Copper State Models, 1:32
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2025, 06:50:48 AM »
Andreas,
              A wonderful start. I've been pondering the materials used for the caps on the oil tank and fuel tank. I was leaning towards brass for various reasons, and seeing you've done the same has convinced me.
I'm really looking forward to see what you do with this build.

Warren

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Re: A third Nieuport XI, Copper State Models, 1:32
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2025, 06:48:44 PM »
Nice weathering, Andreas. I Like the idea of chipping effects and I'm already looking forward to the final result .

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Re: A third Nieuport XI, Copper State Models, 1:32
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2025, 07:40:19 PM »
please do not forget, the panels and the fuselage are of a different materials, the panels are plywood covered with linen and covered with layer of varnish, so it should looks not the same as the rest of the fuselage, at least that is how I think it should be)
I'll disagree with Edgar here. If you look at the photos of many early Nieuport 11s, there is no discernible difference between the colour of the plywood panels (we discussed this in this thread:https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=14792.0). IMO this means the varnish they used was fairly heavily pigmented, which also explains why there is no "show through" of the internal structure in most Nieuport 11 photos (unlike say a Bristol Scout). There is good archive footage of early Nieuport 11s in the Gaumont Pathe archives which shows them in close up and IMO there is no difference in colouration between the fuselage and side panels.

Here's a screen grab from the GP archive newsreel footage:


This photo of an early Nie 11 in British service shows this well IMO:


This also shows (as do many photos) that these aircraft were generally not heavily weathered. There was not a lot of oil staining from the inside, probably because the dope prevented it.

But of course it is not possible to say that all aircraft were like this, and of course YMMV.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2025, 01:13:34 AM by NigelR »

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Re: A third Nieuport XI, Copper State Models, 1:32
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2025, 11:39:18 PM »
This also shows (as do many photos) that these aircraft were generally not heavily weathered. There was not a lot of oil staining from the inside, probably because the dope prevented it.
The Ni-11 are not dirty generaly. I  my opinion , itthe main reasin is that their life were very short...
Ni-10 trainers build in the same way, were veryvery weathered, just because they relmins more time...
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Re: A third Nieuport XI, Copper State Models, 1:32
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2025, 02:57:06 AM »
Thank you very much Gary, Nigel, Edgar, Warren, Joerg amd Xan.

Andreas,
              A wonderful start. I've been pondering the materials used for the caps on the oil tank and fuel tank. I was leaning towards brass for various reasons, and seeing you've done the same has convinced me.
I'm really looking forward to see what you do with this build.

Warren

To be honest, I have not done any special research here, Warren. I entirely relied on CSMs instructions. And the color callouts say brass.

Andreas
please do not forget, the panels and the fuselage are of a different materials, the panels are plywood covered with linen and covered with layer of varnish, so it should looks not the same as the rest of the fuselage, at least that is how I think it should be)

Edgar

I am with Nigel here, Edgar. I have not yet seen any photographs of Nieuports XI that show a difference in color shade between the wooden, linen covered panels and the rear of the fuselage.

This also shows (as do many photos) that these aircraft were generally not heavily weathered. There was not a lot of oil staining from the inside, probably because the dope prevented it.
The Ni-11 are not dirty generaly. I  my opinion , itthe main reasin is that their life were very short...
Ni-10 trainers build in the same way, were veryvery weathered, just because they relmins more time...


Nieuports XI photographed in late 1915 or early 1916 do not yet show many signs of oil stains. In fact these Nieuports might have been too new. But let us remember that these rotaries used tons and tons of castor oil that soaked the fuselage. Here are some (not so randomly) choosen photos of Nieuports  XI that show what I mean:










If you have Jon Guttmans <<Aerial chevaliers. the History of Escadrille Spa. 15 in World War I>>, a purchase that I cannot recommend highly enough, you can see more photos of heavily stained Nieuports XI, e. g. on page 16.
And if you have a special interest in Raymond Lis N1222 like me, you find more photos of his bird on pages 26 and 27 from June 1916 that show that my first picture here above show N1222 even still cleaner than it really was.
And that is in fact the reason why I oriented myself on N1222 when weathering my Nieuport: I just have no actual photo of Peletier dOisys N552. But meanwhile I have a certain theory how Lis N.1222 might have looked like in June 1916. So maybe I switch to his machine.

My theory is, that Lis N1222 is in fact an early Nieuport IX. It is not only painted with blue lines around the wings and fuselage corners, but it also has early style side panels. I think, Lis Nieuport simply has a replacement rudder from a later Nieuport IX and its actual serial is unknown.

« Last Edit: February 22, 2025, 05:05:07 AM by Borsos »
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