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Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N
« on: May 02, 2020, 11:07:31 AM »
MoraneN by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

I had great fun building my humble Academy Nieuport 17 - biplane #2 for me. So I decided to break out a kit from my stash - the Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N. I bought this kit a few years back because the real plane had what we used to call "funk appeal." In real life, the model wasn't well suited for combat and only 50 were made. But it looks neat. And it also got into the original version of Sierra's famous Red Baron video game which I played avidly. There it was called the Morane "Bullet."

There was only one online build review - a piece from IPMS. The reviewer described an "excellent multi-media magical kit" including styrene, PE and resin. An open box pic shows that at least the multi-media description was accurate - alone with very neat box art:
kit by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

However this kit turns out I certainly won't use the term "magical" about anything. The kit is a short run model produced by the Czech firm Special Hobby in 2006. I know a Polish modeler who said that during the Cold War modeling was very popular in the Eastern Bloc nations (including Russia) because it was cheap and required very little space. He also noted the kits were very spare and presumed great patience on the part of the modeler - none of the decadent Tamiya type engineering that was changing the hobby in the West. I've thought about those comments often in the last couple of weeks because this kit fights you every step of the way. So a model with about 50 parts is not going to be a quick build. Might add that the instructions are wretched. The parts are drawn suspended with arrows pointing in the direction of where they're to go - but no good diagrams of what things are supposed to look like when done. Fortunately (the same was the case for the Academy Nieuport) Eduard had released a 1/48 MS Model N several years back - that kit is out of print I could download the instructions, and they've helped a lot. So have a couple of photo builds from Large Planes and a terrific pic of a MS pilot and showing the cockpit in nice detail:
Morane-Saulnier_N_cockpit by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr
I've needed the Special Hobby instructions for one thing - the parts are not numbered on the sprues, so you have to refer to the instructions to know where they are. And to think before turning to biplanes I had built four straight Tamiya kits - a new normal.

There are pegs and holes only for the vertical stabilizer and - luckily - they fit. That means everything else is guided by some slots and adjustments made by eyeball. One way I judge the quality of fit is to ask how often I could use Tamiya "Extra Thin" cement - the better the fit, the more extra thin works. On this model I'm using Tamiya's regular cement (a lot like testors or German Revell: many modelers buy it in an orange bottle ) which is thicker but stronger and allows you extra time to adjust pieces. I sure needed it while doing the cockpit. None of the pieces have solid attachment points so you've simply got to get them together and keep adjusting things until everything looks aligned. It isn't easy. (Eduard had a similar interior but gave it a floor - a place where you attach all of the bird cage pieces, rudder stick and seat. Maybe Eduard was making its own history but considering the fact that you don't see much of the cockpit, I'd take it. However credit Special Hobby for making the only PE seat belts I've used that were soft enough to install more or less correctly. Here it is:
cockpit by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

The fuselage halves - no pegs mind you - required careful eyeballing, sanding and a proper dose of Tamiya's Light Curing putty. After my lacquer primer goes down I don't there will be any seams. (It covers a lot of errors - great stuff.) The horizontal stabilizer assembly was very weak and sure enough broke in short order. The wings are in single pieces which means they're very heavy. Because the wings meet the fuselage at the cockpit, there wasn't any way to make big slots. There were two pegs on the wings and two holes in the fuselage which were helpful for wing alignment but didn't even come close to a fit. I worried about the gap appearing between the wings and the fuselage and decided there should be one. (Wise heads on this board guided that decision.) But I need not have been concerned. There was no way that heavy wing was going to stay on with plastic glue alone - even the heavy duty Tamiya. That meant a dose of Zap a Gap CA (definitely my favorite brand although I wish it was never needed) across the wing join - and the gap is no longer there. But I'm hoping the wing will stay on. I also used some CA to stabilize the cockpit fit:
topfuslage by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

The next step was putting assembling the front panel of the top of the fuselage. This task had only a few parts, but they had to go in right because it was needed to seat the machine gun and put on the post over the gun that will hold the upper rigging together. Not a single part fit without trimming something - and it didn't help that the gun required surgery on the slot holding the magazine. Actually the instructions gave no clue to where the gun was supposed to mount except for painting diagrams showing a side view of the whole plane clearly that the barrel was to extend well over the cowl. The cockpit pic shown above was of huge help in this phase. Following this was assembling the engine. Here again, the pieces were all somewhat out of alignment. If I was going to make an RAF MS-N I could leave off the big round spinner and the engine would stand out and I'd have to work harder. (In the real world the big spinner caused overheating - a bit like trouble Kurt Tank had with the original FW-190.)  But then I wouldn't have a Bullet - unthinkable. As it stands only a small portion of the engine will be visible underneath. Anyway - here's the engine. (The brass portion part is simply daft - I'll spin it to make the lower part align correctly because that's the only thing we'll see.)
engine2 by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

More soon I hope. With some luck the undercarriage and rigging apparatus on the bottom will go on without debacle. I am, however, already trying to see how that very small area on top of the post over the gun is going to handle 10 individual rigging lines.

Should note a gent named Brian Dean has a 1/3 scale MS-N on YouTube. The model has working wing warping which I've never really seen before - very cool. Check "Morane Saulnier Type N"
Eric

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Re: Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2020, 09:35:01 PM »
This is of great interest o me, I have the Special Hobby Nieuport 11 and Bristol M1c in the stash. You've made a great start on it, must be difficult identifying small parts without numbers to help!

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Re: Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2020, 09:38:07 PM »
Excellent work on getting the wings mounted and aligned! Sounds like a challenging build but you seem to be getting it all sorted out!
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Re: Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2020, 10:03:30 PM »
Nice work with this one Eric.  I built this kit several years ago and I recall that it was a bit of a challenge to get together, but makes a nice modelittle if you can survive to the finish. ;)  Looks like you will make, based on progress to date.  Well Done!

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Re: Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2020, 05:46:21 PM »
Primed by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

Some progress - if that's the word - on the Special Hobby Morane Saulnier N. Assembly is complete. The prop and spinner are only attached with white glue because I want to give the prop some proper TLC. All of the stuff underneath was much like the stuff on top - nothing fit right, and the eyeball got a real workout. But, I think, everything looks ok. Still wondering how all of the rigging is going to end up attached to very small areas, especially upstairs. Also I'm very glad this model is 1/32 because it's a very small plane. Cecil Lewis (author of the classic Sagittarius Rising) recalled that he didn't think a pilot over 5'6" could fit into the cockpit. Lewis did "love" the Morane LA "Parasol". He said it was a death trap, and made every plane he flew later easy. Odd view on love, but I've dealt with a lot of fighter jockeys and they're a breed apart - lack of oxygen maybe. BTW: Lewis gave a 40 minute interview to BBC in 1964 (BBC didn't have to hurry with Lewis - he lived another 33 years). The interview is on YouTube in its entirety, but the audio is accelerated. You can turn on the subtitles and turn off the volume. There are bits of the interview attached to some topics and it comes off brilliantly.

As you can see, the model is primed. My primer is a product I've grown very fond of. It is Duplicolor automotive lacquer primer that is both "sandable" and "fillable". (Duplicolor makes dozens of paints and primers and only a couple fit this description - the one used is #1698 Black Hot Rod.) I was guided to this product by one of the great modelers on YouTube - Paul Budzik. (Scale Model Workshop is the channel - if you've never seen Budzik's videos you should check them out, they're amazing. He was one of the pioneers at Finescale Modeler and other places in the 90's that created the kind of high level modeling we know today. His videos deal with tools and techniques with a couple of video builds.)

The neat things about this type of Duplicolor is that it serves as a primer the way it would be used at an autobody shop. It's a true lacquer and melds with the plastic - but does zero damage to detail. It's in a rattle can (with a "fan cap" - fancy) which works great. In my workspace, no enamel or lacquer products are allowed because of the pungency - hence I prime outside. (Duplicolor would work great decanted and then airbrushed - that's just verboten at my place.) Luckily, like lacquer paint, it dries very quickly. When originally sprayed on it is matte in finish and somewhat grainy. So by melding with the plastic it eliminates any left-over seams and obliterates the kind of shinny irregularities you'll get from lots of glue and especially CA. And this kit required a lot of both. If anything is still left you can sand the primer - and because the primer grasps the plastic - you also sand any problems remaining on the plastic. A light sanding - or even a proper rub with a coarse rag - removes the grainy texture and leaves you with a smooth satin finish in about 90 seconds. Also, because this is a product intended for people who make their living using it it's much cheaper than anything made for modelers - we pay a premium for everything. (Figure about $6 for 12 ounces - enough primer to do maybe six to eight kits depending on size.) 

Also I'll be black basing this model to ready it for oils and pigments, and, as you might guess, black primer is essential. I think it's going to work pretty well on this model with it's mostly doped linen surface. I hope so anyway.

Eric

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Re: Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2020, 06:46:52 PM »
Good work Eric, it looks better than OK to me. From the photo everything seems to line up perfectly. You've done a great job selling the primer to me, think I'll try to get some once my Tamiya rattle can is finished. I have to go on YouTube now to look for that interview!

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Re: Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2020, 08:43:14 PM »
Excellent work. You are making a difficult kit look Fantastic!
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Re: Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2020, 09:44:18 PM »
Congrats on getting to this stage on a difficult challenge , looking forward on seeing her with the livery .  :)


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Re: Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2020, 10:24:38 PM »
Holy cow that’s fast, looking forward to paint.

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Re: Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2020, 11:19:33 PM »
(Joke) Nice nightfighter....  All kidding aside, looks great, cannot wait for your painting.

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Re: Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2020, 11:30:57 PM »
Dupli-Color also makes a primer sealer that does not contain any filler material such as talcum powder. Sprays on very smooth and will not hide the smallest detail. Available in grey color. You can purchase this product ( at least in the USA) from auto parts stores.

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Re: Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2020, 03:27:35 AM »
Eric, did you know about the Tom's Modelworks 1/32 PE Moraine-Saulnier logo for the cowling? They're a very nice touch.
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Re: Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2020, 05:10:36 AM »
Eric, 
"I've dealt with a lot of fighter jockeys and they're a breed apart - lack of oxygen maybe. BTW: Lewis gave a 40 minute interview to BBC in 1964 (BBC didn't have to hurry with Lewis - he lived another 33 years). The interview is on YouTube in its entirety, but the audio is accelerated. You can turn on the subtitles and turn off the volume. There are bits of the interview attached to some topics and it comes off brilliantly. "

Ha! I've often wondered what was wrong with me, thanks for clearing that one up!  :) :) :)
Thanks for the hint on the Cecil Lewis Interview, I've found it and book marked it for tonight's Isolation Movie, looks like great stuff. Like many of us I have a copy of his book and enjoyed it immensely, I didn't know of this video and am really looking forward to watching it.
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Re: Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2020, 05:38:03 AM »
Eric, your black bird looks great!
Do you want to use a technique like "black biasing"? I will be very interesting, how you will convert this black into linen color.
This invites me to finish another shelf queen (the Type I) soon, lets see ...

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Re: Special Hobby 1/32 Morane Saulnier N
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2020, 07:02:54 PM »
Primed by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

Time for some black basing. If you haven't heard the term, check YouTube under Doog's Models and watch his first video – about 8 minutes, called "Black Basing" for an introduction. (Doog in my opinion is one of the best modelers on YT - and doesn't mess around with patreon etc. All of his stuff is crackerjack.) The idea is to dispense with preshading and instead amplify tonal variations randomly. This technique is very popular among WWII and jet aircraft modelers because any service plane (or vehicle for that matter) shows a high degree of tonal variation on its surface due to paint degradation due to fading & elements and a buildup of a kind of patina from fluids combining with dirt and stains left by pilots and ground crew crawling around. The question is, does the same calculation work with fabric planes of a different era. I think it would - and would be most pronounced on doped linen surfaces. As I understand it, a rotary burnt about 1 gallon of castor oil per hour. There's a very short old film of a Morane Saulnier N starting up on YTube - the exhaust is pouring out and the prop is kicking up a cloud of dust. For some of the same effect, you can check a video on the warbird channel run by Kermit Weeks. He was starting up a full size Sopwith Snipe replica that hadn't been started for five years, flew the plane for just a few minutes - and when landed he chatted with his ground crew while standing in huge streak of castor oil that had built up in, literally, almost no time.

I can see why many people are keen on WWI aircraft modeling. We have a lot of data on the planes, and numerous artifacts from the old planes. (There's a very neat article from Vintage Aircraft about the kind of linen you'd choose for a SE-5 and how it would be sewn. It includes pieces of original fabric.) But despite the existence of thousands of pics we don't have anything like the photographic record present for WWII - which includes some in genuine color. Admiring replicas is great fun - I was at Guntersville Alabama when it still hosted dozens of mostly full sized replicas - but I don't think these planes give you much of an idea of what a real WWI service plane would have looked.

One could claim that aircraft were used hard and replaced quickly - and it's certainly true that every plane is new once. But I'd argue that few aircraft were retired from service altogether and in the early war probably very few. There was much to do, there were few enemy scouts, and not enough airplanes. Cecil Lewis flew a Morane Parasol for 300 hours (almost all in one plane) in very dangerous low level observation missions over the Somme in 1916. And check the staggering air combat scenes in Hells Angels - the allied linen covered planes look very worn indeed. But as it certainly appears to me that a WWI modeler has a lot of "creative license" to use because we simply don't know what these things would have looked like. So this Morane (barring catastrophe) is in for a full cycle of weathering: oil filters, washes, fading and soiling with pigments and a very interesting paint ideal for grim made by Iwata Com.Art.

Back to black basing. In a sense this technique turns painting the aircraft into the first stage of weathering. The black primer (which as Doog points out, makes you model look "badass" like it belongs to Darth Vader) is essential. The stage of the process is the creation of the "Mottle" coat. You mottle by creating very thing lines, dots, squiggles over every area that will be weathered. The key here is to get your airbrush in very close and "paint small." Ideally black basing should be done with acrylic/lacquer paints like Tamiya, Gunze and the very good MRP heavily thinned with lacquer thinner. (Because you don't want to cover the surface fully you use a remarkably small amount of paint.) Painting small means spraying at about 12-15 PSI as close as you can get your brush safely. I've also tried out a PE stencil made by USCHI and it works pretty well. I use a Creos Procon (made for Gunze by Iwata in Japan) with a .2 needle.

In my word, solvent paints are out. So my paints are always Golden High Flow acrylics - unless I need metallic, and then I'd use Vallejo Metal Color. For my money High Flow is the best water based acrylic out there - it has very heavy pigment load and because it's made for artists and not modelers, it costs less - about $5 for 1 ounce.  Golden pioneered artist acrylics in the 1950s are make the best acrylics in the business. The only problem with High Flow is that there are no military colors, so you have to make your own. This is great fun, especially as Golden has special "mixing colors" that have remarkable effects when you mix them - see phthalo blue (green shade) or  Quinacridone Red. For the base color here, the mix was simple - Titanium Buff plus a bit of Yellow Oxide.  Golden uses a near 100% liquid polymer for its agent – think of it as a kind of liquid plastic. For thinning you can use water – but only in very small quantities. Too much water and the polymer begins to break apart – poor finish and bad airbrushing invariably results. Instead you use Airbrush Extender - it's a thin and white polymer. It doesn't change the color of the paint but it changes it's opacity - something essential for black basing.

Here is a Mottle Coat on the whole model and a detail. (I should note that the front end will be satin black, and hence is ignored for the present.) I should also note that I applied 1/32" (.8 mm) chart tape over the ribs and spars.
Mottle by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr
MottleDet by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

Next is the application of the base coat. This requires a more distant and broader coverage, so I switch to my trusty Iwata HPC Eclipse. Note, this base coat is 3-1 extender/thinner to paint. You want low opacity to make it harder to cover over the mottle coat. If you've ever demolished preshading with too much base, you know the problem. The problem is more difficult here because I want to apply enough base coat to cover some of the surface, but want to stop to remove the tape. This is trial and error here as I'm not used to the biplane idiom. The first pic is when I stopped - the second shows the plane with the tape removed.
BaseEarly by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr
tapeOff by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

Now, more base coat. I have found that it's a very good idea to stop spraying base before you eye tells you to. For one thing you want it to dry to see what it really looks like. And you do not want an even coat - that defeats the entire purpose. Black basing is very forgiving - if you don't have enough on, you can spray some more. If you decide that the experiment looks like a failure, spray on more and create an evenly covered surface. In this case, I'm pretty happy with where I stopped. Again, you want the surface color to modulate and to be irregular. So here's the base coat as it stands now and a detail - I think the irregular coloring is easy enough to see.
Base by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr
baseDet by Eric Bergerud, on Flickr

This is looking okay to me. I may tone down the dark lines on the fuselage and tail. There's a very nice Morane N replica on YouTube and you can see the thick tape over the ribs on the wings - it isn't black but it does stand out. High Flow has a satin surface and extender is gloss which is fine because decals come next. As it was I sprayed some Liquitex spray gloss varnish after the last pic. (Heaven help me if the decal for the tail fails - it would be very hard to paint it.)

Upcoming are the decals, masking the front end for a satin black (High Flow carbon black will be perfect) with some salt chipping up front. After that, serious weathering. And I suppose rigging. Wish me luck.

Eric