WNW 1/32nd Bristol F2b "McKeever"

[lcarroll]

Lance, everything looks great! Engine details are awesome. Cool to see several folks building the same subject.

I am confused by your comments regarding problems with "Alcad" rubbing off. Do you mean (Testors) Metallizer?  I have found Alcad to be super-durable, no problems whatsoever handling it once it is cured (~2hrs). Metallizer (at least applied with the "primed brush" technique) is a  different story...

Bo,
   My experience has not been so...............I am totally impressed with the finishes provided by the Alclad products. The "Polished Brass" colour which I used actually comes off as a low lustre finish and I used it a lot on this engine. Handling the component during the build though resulted in much of it wearing off, subsequently I had to re-finish it more then once. It was dry(24 Hours or more) but in fairness no overspray was applied. I was not aware of their overcoat and will be looking for it. Other colours seemed better, the firewall done in "Duraluminum" suffered no ill effects however the "Dull Aluminum" had to be resprayed as well.
   What is the "primed brush" technique you mentioned?
Cheers,
Lance

[uncletony]

Hmmm. What were you using as a primer for the brass / Allclad that you had problems with? I haven't actually tried that color but it seems odd that it would be any different than any of the other pigments -- I'm fairly certain it's the same vehicle in all of them...

The other factor is spraying distance -- too far away and the lacquer dries before it hits -- that would cause it to not adhere well. Applied correctly the stuff is extremely durable, at least that's what I have found...

Allclad 101,  was useful to me :
http://www.swannysmodels.com/Alclad.html

The "primed brush" technique is something entirely different, for an entirely different product -- Testor's "Metallizer" paints (eseentially the same as Gunze Mr. Metal). Basically the idea is you apply the pigment with a very reduced vehicle load by soaking a brush in concentrated pigment, allowing the brush to dry, and then recharging the brush again with concentrated pigment, which you smear onto the model and then buff out. The results are pretty spectacular but the finish is a little fussy. See here:

http://www.essmc.org.au/Natural_Metal_Finish.html

[lcarroll]

Funny you should mention primer Bo. I purchased both the Grey and the Black "Primer and Microfiller" however was told that it was only required if spraying large areas or re-finished ones. That's probably (along with no over-coat or sealer) why the stuff rubs off. Call it operator error, haste makes waste, or not doing my homework the finger is pointing at Moi! It's a great finish, and along with this info and the inputs of other's earlier, I'm sure I'll get great results in future.
Thanks for pitching in!
Cheers,
Lance

[uncletony]

Fool around with some scrap; clean it real good, prime it, give it two hours, then color coat it from about 2" away at 15 psi. I think you'll find the result is practically indestructible, no need for sealer (unless you want to mess with the gloss / matte.)

Cheers!

[lcarroll]

Fool around with some scrap; clean it real good, prime it, give it two hours, then color coat it from about 2" away at 15 psi. I think you'll find the result is practically indestructible, no need for sealer (unless you want to mess with the gloss / matte.)

Cheers!

Thanks Bo, will do. As one of my true heros, Forest Gump once said, "I'm not a smart man"!

Cheers,
Lance

[uncletony]

Fool around with some scrap; clean it real good, prime it, give it two hours, then color coat it from about 2" away at 15 psi. I think you'll find the result is practically indestructible, no need for sealer (unless you want to mess with the gloss / matte.)

Cheers!

Thanks Bo, will do. As one of my true heros, Forest Gump once said, "I'm not a smart man"!

Cheers,
Lance

Hehe I doubt that very much my friend. Model onward!

[lcarroll]

    Time to post an update of sorts before this Thread falls into the dormant, old, expired category. The main parts have been sprayed with my version of PC10 and the pre-shading shows very nicely. After a brief skirmish with the Future gloss coat the fuselage and wings were decalled and given a coat of Model Master Acryl Semi Gloss to serve as a base for some pastel post-shading and weathering. At this point all has gone well, the fuselage and mainplanes remain for the pastel treatment.
    Presently I'm in a struggle with Photo Bucket; they implemented an all new system and my "Neanderthal" computer skills have not let me crack the code on uploading new photos, I hope to solve this obstacle soon and will hopefully post a few progress photos soon. Is anyone else suffering from this plague? Any quick hints?
   I'll be completing the pastel phase next, seal it all, add some weathering and grime, and then things should progress much quicker. Mounting the bottom wing looms menacingly on my very dim horizon............
Cheers,
Lance

[Chris Johnson]

I just sent you an e-mail Lance that might assist.

Cheers,

Chris

[IvotB]

        Presently I'm in a struggle with Photo Bucket; they implemented an all new system and my "Neanderthal" computer skills have not let me crack the code on uploading new photos, I hope to solve this obstacle soon and will hopefully post a few progress photos soon. Is anyone else suffering from this plague? Any quick hints?

I had thesame problem (actually I didn't know what to do) and heard a lot of modelling friends having similar problems. Somehow I tried to do it their way and I think something changed once you did it right once.
Now I don't want to go back, because it works much faster and mor efficient then their previous interface. I log in, I see my last uploaded picture, I click upload, select the desired directory in a pop up on the upper left side and select the files to be uploaded.

I know this isn't really help, because I am already using the new interface for 4 or 5 months now and I don't remember what I needed to do then. It may be just some moral support. You're not alone, apparently most of us had difficulties in the adaptation.

Succes!
Ivo

[Trackpad]

I'm in the same boat regarding Photobucket. Just returned last night and know full well that I have to switch over to the new system. Ah, the wonders of a modern technological society...! 

[lcarroll]

  I solved the Photo Bucket problem with a little help from my fellow member and friend, Chris Johnson. If it's of any help to anyone else all it took was to switch to Google Chrome as my Network Browser; apparently the Photo Bucket Site doesn't work on Internet Explorer.
  Here's a couple of photos of the various bits for the empannage with the post-shading applied and the fuselage and lower wings before shading.



    I've since completed post shading on all but the upper wings, which are in the queue for tomorrow. Now that I've figured out the Photo Bucket puzzle I should be able to post more photos tomorrow.
    I should add that the decision to add Bud's version of "Post Shading" came after viewing Ivo's outstanding Fokker DVII Build. I wanted a well weathered and worn effect and and, after viewing his excellent use of heavy shading etc. decided to "go for the gold". I'm also banking on the final overcoat of Semi Gloss toning down the contrast a bit, which seems to be the normal effect.
     More photos to follow tomorrow...........
Cheeers,
Lance

[rhallinger]

Looking good Lance!  I really like the rib shading on the wings.  Very convincing.

Regards,

Bob

[coyotemagic]

Brilliant, Lance!  The shading is awesome.  So glad you got Photobucket sorted.
Cheers,
Bud

[Trackpad]

Lance,

Looking very good, my friend. You and I might just stagger across the finish line in time yet! And thanks for the "elbow-jog:" I missed placing the black "7" on the underside of the lower wing. Ah, the mortification of it all. Guess I have my work cut out for me today! 

[lcarroll]

Lance,

Looking very good, my friend. You and I might just stagger across the finish line in time yet! And thanks for the "elbow-jog:" I missed placing the black "7" on the underside of the lower wing. Ah, the mortification of it all. Guess I have my work cut out for me today! 

   
Gary,
Glad to help and to see that I`m not the only one forgetting steps; I discovered that the tiny Bristol Logos with Parts serial numbers on the bottom of the flying surfaces (numbers 37 & 38) are still on the Sheet. Now I get to apply them after having completed the shading, so a bit of touching up will be required. I`m beginning to wonder if NZ has it`s own version of evil Trolls, and one arrived in the box, certainly no end of silliness going on with this Build!
   I`m confident that with no further set backs I`ll make the deadline, however that`s a rather huge assumption!
Cheers,
Lance