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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: lcarroll on July 17, 2015, 04:13:36 AM
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This project, inspired by Ernie and Patrick's Mini Group Builds recently, will be my half of a similar effort with fellow Member Chris Johnson. I'll be doing the early version while Chris will complete the Late version using his own Build Log. Both subjects are Canadian Aircraft, mine being Canadian Major Billy Barker's Victoria Cross Airframe E 8102 and Chris's being Airframe E 8213, a 1a Snipe Version presented to Canada by the City of Leicester at Hendon, UK, in 1919.
We'll start with the standard opening illustration, the Wingnut Wings Kit:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3933.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3933.jpg.html)
References for this Build will be as shown, and the After market additions will include a Taurus Pulsometer, HGW Seat Belts, Vickers Hyland Type B Guns from GasPatch Models, and of course Rowan's excellent Pheon Decal Sheet #32044. I'll also be using Aviattics CDL Decals for the undersurfaces.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3940.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3940.jpg.html)
Here, for illustration purposes only, is E8102's Profile per the Pheon Illustration:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3936.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3936.jpg.html)
I started the Build with the Instrument Panel, the cockpit proper to follow. The panel had the Feed Tank glass and copper gauge system removed and replaced by clear sprue and copper painted sprue. Aero Club and Eduard Instrument Bezels were added as well and Future "lenses" added to the Instrument faces. here's the bare panel.......
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3922.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3922.jpg.html)
the completed panel with the standard LCarroll Workbench dog fuzz in place.........
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3932.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3932.jpg.html)
and the slightly cleaned up final version......
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3930.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3930.jpg.html)
I forgot to include the Barracuda wicker seat in the list of A/M additions, an absolute little jewel of a product. This is the low back version...
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3925.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3925.jpg.html)
I've been working on the cockpit module and fuselage sides as well, they are nearly complete and the internal bracing and assembly of the module comes next.
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So far a wonderful Kit, the standard always anticipated and provided by WNW. I'm looking forward to this Build and Chris's as well.
Cheers,
Lance
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Excellent choice and glorious start, Lance! After my W.12, a 1/48 scale Snipe in Barker's markings is next on my to do list.
Cheers,
Bud
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This will be fun to follow, Lance, both yours and Chris's! Now I
will find out how to do it properly! You are off to a terrific
start with the Cockpit woodgrain, seat colour, other interior wee bits and the
instrument panel...the pulseometer and sight-glass are beautifully done as are the instruments as well. I like the scale pooch hair...I am sure
Major Barker was a dog lover as well. ;) ;D Terrific work, my friend!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Perfect beginning Lance.
Martin
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Wow! This is looking great and so soon into the build too. I really, and I mean really like how you removed the feed tank glass and copper gauge system and replaced it all with clear sprue and copper painted sprue. It looks so much better than what WnW provides. I wonder why I didn't think of that?
This will be fun to follow, Lance . . . Now I will find out how to do it properly!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
No kidding Ernie. I know I'm in way over my head already after seeing his instrument panel. I told Lance that I want to use my build to iron out the wrinkles before tackling Barker's Snipe but I think I can just sit back and learn from the master by following his thread.
Cheers,
Chris
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Lance,
A stunning beginning to your Snipe! Like the others I am ampressed by the fuel guage/wire and the instrument panel overall. Your interior wood work s awesome!
RAGIII
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An excellent start Lance, the instrument panel changes are brilliant and the interior wood work looks superb.
Des.
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You're off to a fine start, Lance ;)
I know you will make a beauty of a Snipe and no mistake.
VB
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Many Thanks, all, for your encouraging comments, they really are appreciated. "Will" Barker, along with "Billy" Bishop was a great hero of mine as a young Canadian school boy; I never lost the fascination and great awe I held for the man who was, and still is, Canada's most decorated war hero. Although he flew the Snipe only briefly his epic VC Battle, witnessed by so many, was undoubtedly the aircraft's most famous event. I'm very much looking forward to seeing the preserved fuselage of E8102 at the Canadian War Museum this Summer, it hasn't been on display on my previous visits. Likewise, I'm re-reading his biography, "William Barker VC" by Wayne Ralph as I work on this Build.
Cheers,
Lance
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Looking good, Lance! I think it is grand that you boys are both doing Canadian planes....and such famous ones. And I am glad someone is working on a Snipe...neat looking aircraft!!
Now Chris, put down that tank and get to work!
Cheers from NYC,
Michael
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Brilliant work so far, Lance, that panel is beautiful.
One question, now that you have that lovely seat: how does one access the fuel tank? Or did this example not have it under the seat?
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As i have the Snipe at home as well (hidden somewhere in the stash), I will be following with interest.
S.
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Looks awesome Lance. Especially like the seat. Just a gorgeous build.
James
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Brilliant work so far, Lance, that panel is beautiful.
One question, now that you have that lovely seat: how does one access the fuel tank? Or did this example not have it under the seat?
Michael, Stefan and James,
Thanks for taking a look and for your welcome comments.
Zac,
The Kit seat comes in two parts, the frame and base with the cushion molded to the base and the wicker surround as the second piece. I trimmed the base down to place the Barracuda seat on it and added my own scratch cushion. The access to the fuel tank is under the cushion per the standard design.
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The Kit supplied seat is very nicely done, I just thought the Barracuda one was even nicer, and since I had bought 2 earlier, in she went!
Cheers,
Lance
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Outstanding work on the seat and cushion, Lance!
Cheers,
Bud
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To answer Zac's question here's a shot from the "Kermie Cam" video on YouTube of Kermit Weeks filling the tank of a Snipe.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img661/6681/lPmuWu.jpg)
George
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Thanks, George! That's really useful.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks Bud, and George for the photo. I watched Kermit's video on start procedures while trying to puzzle out the details on the fuel site gauge on the instrument panel, it solved that question for me and several others, excellent material. I can't begin to imagine how much fun that Guy has, always having to fly those vintage rebuilds and repros.......... ::) 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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Your seat is very beautiful.
Martin
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Hi!
Barker's Snipe???
Hey! That was MY idea!!! ;D
It's off to a great start!
Next update please!
Ciao
Iwik
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You did a great job on the seat cushion Lance. The front edge looks so straight and regular that one would think it came out of the kit. Superb job of picking out the highlights and shadows on the wicker seat-back too. Simply superb! It was a good choice to include it. I, on the other hand . . . :-[
Cheers,
Chris
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Thanks Chris, the Barracuda seat's quality and lack of flash etc make it a pretty easy exercise! The cockpit is going very slowly now, the challenge being to get all of the rigging in place while access is relatively easy. I hope to start putting it together later today......
Cheers,
Lance
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Looking forward to the "putting together" pictures, Lance.
The Barracuda seat is certainly a winner. :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Very nice progress Lance, that Wicker seat look's like a real one, nice work mate. ;) ;) ;)
Greetz
Danny
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Looking forward to the "putting together" pictures, Lance.
The Barracuda seat is certainly a winner. :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
Those pictures are somewhat delayed, Ernie. Completing the rigging of the flight controls has proved a bit of a "bear" that I'm still trying to wrestle to the ground!
Thanks Danny, coming from someone of your skills that's a real compliment!
Cheers,
Lance
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Brilliant work, Lance...
I want to start this one soon but will wait for you to work out all the bugs...and give me something to shoot for!
Really nice!
Dan
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Dittos to all the above Lance, a great how to for me doing one in 1/48, Barkers Snipe my favorite Snipe.
Ed
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Thanks George, that's precisely what I had in mind. I never knew that about the Snipe, so Kermit's video was most enlightening.
Great job on the seat Lance, it all makes sense now.
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Thanks George, that's precisely what I had in mind. I never knew that about the Snipe, so Kermit's video was most enlightening.
Great job on the seat Lance, it all makes sense now.
Actually, I'm no expert on the Snipe either. I just happened to watch Kermit's YouTube video last week so I knew the answer to your question! ;D
George
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To answer Zac's question here's a shot from the "Kermie Cam" video on YouTube of Kermit Weeks filling the tank of a Snipe.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img661/6681/lPmuWu.jpg)
George
I've often wondered how the early pilots alleviated the effects of castor oil fumes whilst airborne.
Another early aviation mystery solved. ;D
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Thanks for dropping in, Dan, Ed, and Zac. Still making a bit of progress, but slowly as "real life" things take time away from what's important! :-\ Boggie, I really hope you're theory is wrong........ :o ::)
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance this is really shaping up. Your work is wonderful to follow!
Your seat is very beautiful.
Martin
Oh, you Frenchman, so fresh!! Last time a guy said that to me I slapped him.
I've often wondered how the early pilots alleviated the effects of castor oil fumes whilst airborne.
Another early aviation mystery solved. ;D
Oh Boggie.....you beat me to it and have me on the deck LMAO!!!
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Seat looks like a real, it surprised me place the fuel filler.
Sitting on the fuel tank required great courage.
Adam.
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Thanks, Michael and Adam. I wish I'd just put the cushion over that filler hole and left it there!!
I've completed the cockpit with the exception of the guns and a set of floor cross braces. It's a very busy and surprisingly cramped little office space without the guns, once those are added you can easily see the lack of space between the gun "butts" and the Pilot's head!
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3980.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3980.jpg.html)
The interior of the "turtle deck" component, a combination of wood and metal, is finished as well.(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3973.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3973.jpg.html)
Additions included all the flight control cables the extra work on the instrument panel detailed earlier, the HGW seat belts, the cables from the triggers on the joy stick to the guns done with lead wire, and frame cross bracing.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3977.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3977.jpg.html)
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The final assembly of the cockpit component was a little tricky when fitting the joystick or control column; the stabilator bell cranks on either sides were difficult to fit in the tiny gap between the floor boards and frames, it took a bit of pressure to get them to pop into the holes provided even though they were enlarged a bit before final assembly.
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As is so often the case a great deal of the detail is completely covered over once the fuselage is "closed up"; as we all say, "at least I know it's there!
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The component fits perfectly inside the fuselage, shown here dry fitted, however the fuel caps appear too recessed, too late now however future Builders might consider not inserting them all the way to the bottom of their mounting holes. These are permanently in place with CA, so they'll stay as they are.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3984.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_3984.jpg.html)
Now it's time to clean up the work bench a bit and start on the guns, in this case the GasPatch Set # 32062 Vickers British Hyland Type B with Standard and Reversed Ammo Feed. At the same time I'll be starting work on the Bentley Engine using the Kit supplied version.
Cheers,
Lance
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Outstanding work in the cockpit, Lance!
Cheers,
Bud
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Superb work to the cockpit, Lance.
Martin
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As said, fantastic work. :)
James
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Beautiful cockpit, Lance, and thanks for the heads up on the fuel caps!
George
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Thanks for your positive remarks, Guys, they really do put an "upside" on the whole Build! A pretty smooth ride so far, hopefully there isn't a catch further on!
Cheers,
Lance
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You have done a brilliant job with the cockpit Lance, very cramped and busy but it looks very impressive, it will look even better with the machine guns fitted. I also had a few issues when fitting all the cockpit components but eventually it all fell together nicely, Looking forward to seeing your next updates.
Des.
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Beautiful cockpit work Lance! I checked my old build and the fuel fillers fit just like yours so a kit issue?
RAGIII
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Lance, Looked at Martins photos. I am attaching a link. Looks to me as though the fuel filler caps are correct as they are?
http://show.picr.de/22315519ni.jpg.html
RAGIII
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Beautiful cockpit work Lance! I checked my old build and the fuel fillers fit just like yours so a kit issue?
RAGIII
Rick,
Actually, now that I've done a little homework on this I take it all back. The numerous clear photos of TVAL's 8102 in the Plans Booklet and similar clear views of original Snipes in the Data File all show them as completely recessed per WNW's representation. :-[ When in doubt, check the facts as we used to say on the Flight Line!
Thanks for taking a look at Her and the supportive comment.
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance, Looked at Martins photos. I am attaching a link. Looks to me as though the fuel filler caps are correct as they are?
http://show.picr.de/22315519ni.jpg.html
RAGIII
Yup, I was drafting the previous reply as this arrived. Riddle solved!
Cheers,
Lance
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Many Thanks for the nice comments, Des. It is a busy little "Office" as I remarked.
Cheers,
Lance
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This is great! You guys are doing all the homework for those of us who haven't started our Snipes! Thanks! :)
George
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This is great! You guys are doing all the homework for those of us who haven't started our Snipes! Thanks! :)
George
Not to worry George, when this Build is complete I need you to get going on an E Series Fokker Monoplane or "Fee", both of which intimidate me somewhat. Fair??? :-\
Cheers!
Lance
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Beautiful work, Lance. That seat of yours has persuaded me to contact Roy myself- they look good before they're painted, but your painted one is superb. I'll need a couple or so for the kits hiding in the stash.
Also looking forward to how you handle the Gaspatch Vickers. I was going to use them in the Tripe and Pup, but ran into some minor fit problems and decided to use the kit guns, rather than risk what I've done so far (should ave checked BEFORE closing the fuselages). So chop, chop, mate. ;D
Dal.
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This is great! You guys are doing all the homework for those of us who haven't started our Snipes! Thanks! :)
George
Not to worry George, when this Build is complete I need you to get going on an E Series Fokker Monoplane or "Fee", both of which intimidate me somewhat. Fair??? :-\
Cheers!
Lance
Sounds fair enough! I have all four E Fokkers and a Fee in my stash. ;D
George
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Lance,
Outstanding Snipe my old friend. Looking forward to the next installment.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Gregory!!!
So damned awfully glad to see a post from you! Lance's build is beautiful, and I'll comment on that in a bit, but I know he won't mind just a tiny bit of thread creep when the occasion is hearing from none other than GAJouette!
Hope you're keeping well, and so great to hear from you.
Take care,
Lindsay
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Oh, and Lance, sorry for the slight derailment. I haven't posted in quite some time, but your build has brought me back to the living. Beautiful stuff, my friend. Can't wait to see what sort of magic you and Chris pull off on your Snipes.
LT
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The cockpit looks superb, Lance! You are forging ahead with
your usual amazing attention to detail and what a pleasure
following along! Busy "office" indeed, and you have nailed it,
my friend!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Dal,
That Barracuda Seat is well worth the investment. I'll have both the Kit and GasPatch Guns ready to go in, more to follow I'm sure!
George,
No rush but don't dally on that DH2 forever...............
Greg,
As I said on the other Thread, so good to have you back here, and many Thanks for your encouragement!
Lindsay and Ernie,
A vote of confidence and support from my rich neighbours to the east are always welcome. As an aside I won't sell my Stash just yet but I've got a lot of really cheap oil kicking around here. Who would have thought that potash and wheat would trump oil in our times?! :( :o
Cheers,
Lance
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I've got a lot of really cheap oil kicking around here. Who would have thought that potash and wheat would trump oil in our times?!
Ha! not even The Last Saskatchewan Pirate would find much worth in stealing your oil!
http://youtu.be/DuGGNsE3_8Y
Lindsay
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Lance,
Outstanding Snipe my old friend. Looking forward to the next installment.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Gregory ! Vecchio mio!!! How happy I am in reading you back on these pages!!!
Of course this snipe work is fantastic Lance, the IP is astonishing! ... but the joy to see Gregory back overwhelms the rest!
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Your cockpit looks absolutely superb Lance. I'm happy that I'm trailing way behind in your slipstream so I can reap the benefits of seeing your photos and read about what you've accomplished. I suppose I need some bad weather over here to close the gap a bit but I'm not wishing for that. I know I don't have to tell you to keep up the good work as nothing but good work comes from your bench. Looking forward to seeing the Bentley!
Cheers,
Chris
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Thanks Antonio. Yes, Greg's return is such great news!
Chris, Thanks for the endorsement, the Bentley is half done, I've been distracted working on the guns. I've done both the Kit and Gaspatch versions, not sure which will end up on the model. The GasPatch ones are very slightly larger then the Kit version so it'll be whichever fits in best.
Cheers,
Lance
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A long overdue update, it's been a real struggle to find time for the important things in life like working on my Snipe. I need to get a better sense of priorities established around here!
The engine and guns are complete. The Kit supplied Bently was utilised, it's very nicely done and, once the parts are painted, it just snaps together. Copper speaker wire was used for the plug wires and a wash of Winsor Newton Oil, "Lampblack", was applied for oil and grime.
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I built up both the Kit versions of the Twin Vickers Guns and also the GasPatch Set 32062 "British Hyland Type B Standard and Reversed Feed" I had bought for the Build. On comparison I found that the GasPatch Set, although slightly better in detail, appeared larger then the WNW version, and a tiny bit over scale to my eye, so I installed the Kit versions. The entire cockpit component was dry fitted inside the fuselage and fit perfectly.
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Finally the top cowling was dry fitted to ensure a proper fit.
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Now it's time to dress up the open area inside the fuselage around the tail skid/rudder area with some bracing wires, get the skid installed, and then I can close her up. Once closed there's very little visible through the cockpit opening; and behind the seat is completely covered.
I'll be taking a photo or two showing the contrast between the Wingnut and GasPatch Guns and will post it very soon.
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
Outstanding progress my old friend.Her Bentley is excellent and near perfect to my eyes. Like it has some time on it , not zero or high time but just right. I'm curious about seeing your photographs of both the WNW and the GasPatch Vicker's guns. Until then keep up the outstanding progress.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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You did a stellar job with both the engine and MGs Lance. That Bentley looks just like the real thing. You have nothing to learn about washes my friend. You're right on top of your game in that regard. I'm following suit with the kit supplied MGs too, and hope mine turn out almost as good as yours.
Now it's time to dress up the open area inside the fuselage around the tail skid/rudder area with some bracing wires, get the skid installed, and then I can close her up.
Okie Dokie! Now I know where we're going next so I can conform to you. ;D
Cheers,
Chris
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You have done a superb job with the Bentley Lance, the colouring you used is perfect and the machine guns look excellent.
Des.
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Outstanding work on the engine and Machine Guns Lance! Look perfect to my eyes!
RAGIII
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I'll add to the chorus, outstanding work on the Bentley and MGs, Lance. What a treat it is to have two Snipes being built at the same time and have both of you upping each other's game.
George
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Exellent work for the engine and MG's, Lance.
Cheers
Martin
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Whoa! You Guys are too kind, Thanks All for the nice comments. I'm not sure who's following who here George, but it sure does keep you on your game! On the other hand you should see the chaos and confusion we get into off-line!
Greg, I took a quick photo of the guns, the Gaspatch Vickers is perched on top of the already installed Kit ones. The difference in size is apparent to me. (as is the detent in the wood handle on the installed starboard gun -note to self for tomorrow's paint session!)
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Is it just me? This is in no way meant as a criticism Of the GasPatch version, it's a magnificent product, and well worth the price. In fairness if they were mounted they'd probably blend in just fine. Any thoughts?
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
The Gaspatch gun looks terrific if noticeably different in size. On the other hand, you have done such a nice job on the kit MGs that considering how buried they are in the fuselage I don't think the aftermarket is necessary. JMHO,
RAGIII
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On the other hand you should see the chaos and confusion we get into off-line!
Cheers,
Lance
Please do tell! I'd love to see some of the behind the scenes chaos! ;D
As for the MGs, I think you made the right choice. Once the kit parts have a good paint job, as you've done, they look just as nice as the GasPatch version, and the kit MGs fit better.
George
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Lance,
Is it possible you were shipped the Vickers 11 mm instead of the standard 7.7 mm? It's my understanding that the 11 mm gun is somewhat larger in physical size. I wonder if any of our forum mates here might have a GasPatch 11 mm and a 7.7 mm to compare to the WNW Vickers? That being said I could be completely wrong too. Just seems to account size difference your photographs shows.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Lance,
Is it possible you were shipped the Vickers 11 mm instead of the standard 7.7 mm? It's my understanding that the 11 mm gun is somewhat larger in physical size. I wonder if any of our forum mates here might have a GasPatch 11 mm and a 7.7 mm to compare to the WNW Vickers? That being said I could be completely too. Just seems to account size difference your photographs shows.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
If you have the 11 mm Vickers it would be labeled - Vickers 11mm "Balloon Gun". None of the other Vickers list the size on the front packaging so it should be easy to tell what size you have and if you were shipped the wrong one by mistake. I have most of the Vickers, but no Balloon Gun, otherwise I would post a comparison photo.
Cheers,
George
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I don't have the (larger) 11mm "Balloon Gun" but here's a shot of the Hyland Type B illustrated before posed with a "Type E Loading Handle" Version I do have on hand, they are identical in size. I'm happy with my choice, and should be able to fit the slightly larger ones in on a later Build. The Camel perhaps!?!
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4011.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4011.jpg.html)
The Type E version bottom in the photo.
Cheers,
Lance
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Hi Lance:
Taking a break from the Arizona. Wowsers! You and Chris should have a "Pose Down" when the builds are done. That wicker seat is the bee's knees and your instrument panel looks great. The clear line and bulb apparatus look great in there. Was the instrument panel black vice wood? Either way, it looks great. The engine work is up to your usual standards as well. I think you made the right choice on the guns. As they are buried in the cockpit, the detail isn't visible and as you mentioned, fit is critical in that particular area of the kit. You are using the Pheon sheet for the decals; correct? Looking forward to the next update.
Best
Mark
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Thanks Mark! The black panel was a conscious choice, the TVAL Replica has natural wood, many of the photos of the originals show black. Yes, it'll be Pheon Decals to finish her as Barker's 8102, wouldn't have it any other way!
Cheers,
Lance
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Keep the kit guns - they will be mostly hidden, anyway.
Stefan
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Lance, I thought that was a Taurus engine. You did a beautiful job. Keep it up!
Pietro
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Stefan, Pietro,
Thanks for taking a look, and for the kind words. The kit guns are a permanent install and I've mounted the cockpit Module to the port side fuselage half, hope to get some time on the bench tomorrow to close her up.
Cheers,
Lance
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What a stunner Lance :) Crikey you have been busy, and what a job! Excellent and well done that man.
The detail is amazing. A man after my own heart.
Good one Lance
Dave
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Thank You Dave, coming from a Guy I consider a true master of detail I much appreciate the compliments!
Cheers,
Lance
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Hallo Lance, for my Hanriot(s) build I have purchased from Gaspatch both the 11mm (Coppens) and the 7.7mm for the 2 Italians, here they are:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/vickers.jpg)
...the one on top is the 11mm.
With my digital caliper I measured the diameters of the front jacket and these are the measurements:
(http://www.andonio.it/model/hanriot/vickers1.jpg)
11 mm = 2.46 mm
7.7 mm = 2.36 mm
in length they appear the same.
The other visual differences are :
- the lever
- a piece coming out of the breech (don't know if the term is right)
- the rimming of the bullet feed hole
- the front edge of the barrel (from where the bullets exit)
I hope this helps!
Antonio
PS what a great work you're doing on this Snipe! :o
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Thanks Antonio, and also for your efforts with the comparison photos. The 11mm "Balloon" Vickers is definitely larger, I'm confident the ones I have are the smaller 7.7mm version. At this size, and in 1:32 Scale either the Kit or the GasPatch Guns would work on the Snipe, but I found the Kit versions to be more in scale. Perhaps I'm leaning too far to the "A" part of AMS in my judgement here but no matter, I can use those GasPatch ones in any number of builds.
I am enjoying your triple Hanriot Build, one of the top fantasy releases I hope for by Wingnut Wings is the HD1, the colour schemes are so many and varied. Time will tell!
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks Lance!
Obviously I forgot to say that the MGs I purchased are in 48th!
:-[
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This Build has been a slow one, too much time spent on Summer Chores and too little for leisure! Here's a quick update on the past month's progress. First, an illustration of what happens when you rush the hairspray method of paint "chipping". I normally let the hairspray dry for at least 48 hours, this time I cut that in half and sprayed the mid-grey (Tamiya acrylic thinned with Lacquer Thinner) over the "dry to the touch" hairspray. It looked just fine but a day later this cracked finish appeared all over!
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4013.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4013.jpg.html)
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Although the chipping worked fine the cracks had to go, several thick coats of the grey solved the problem.......lesson learned!
The fuselage was closed up once the various flight control wires were installed (Modelkasten). These quick photos were taken after 3 good coats of future were applied over the PC10 for decaling. For the PC10 I used my standard enamel (Model Master) of a 50/50 mix of their Olive Drab and Faded Olive Drab. I elected to go with PC10 overall as opposed to the mixed PC10 and 12 scheme. The colour was carried roughly under the control surfaces for the wrap around effect in preparation for the Aviattic CDL Fabric decals.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4021.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4021.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4020.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4020.jpg.html)
I left the few cracks in the paint on the lower aluminum panel as I thought it looked very natural for a light weight panel with a painted finish that would flex and vibrate in flight.
The Aviattic White backed CDL Decals were cut to shape and applied to the wings and empennage under surfaces to provide the two inch "wrap- under feature of the standard British Finish, great product that worked very well and I liked the results!
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4030.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4030.jpg.html)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4029.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4029.jpg.html)
After installing the inter cabane rigging wires into the upper cowling it was installed on the fuselage, great fit as usual with Wingnut Wings.The entire model was given several light coats of Vallejo Polyurethane Matt Varnish after the decals were installed, this as a base for some light to medium pastel post shading.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4027.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4027.jpg.html)
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I forgot to mention that all the eyelets are installed for the rigging at this point as well. Now for some post shading and only a little weathering as this aircraft was relatively new when Barker was brought down in his epic VC Battle.
Next up, the cabanes and then getting the upper wing on.
Cheers,
Lance
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Thank You kind Sir! Your CDL really worked well in combination with the painted upper surfaces, great Product Richard! 8) 8) 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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Very beautiful update, Lance.
Cheers
Martin
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A great update Lance, your paint work is excellent and the decal application is superb.
Des.
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Thanks for your positive comments Martin and Des. Hopefully I can get another update published a little faster this time around!
Cheers,
Lance
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Really enjoyable to watch it come together, Lance. Bravo!
Michael
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Stunning Snipe! it makes me want to go back and correct the cockups on my late version.
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The Aviattic White backed CDL Decals were cut to shape and applied to the wings and empennage under surfaces to provide the two inch "wrap- under feature of the standard British Finish, great product that worked very well
The result is an absolutely tidy "demarcation line" between CDL and PC10. I think this approach is better than masking and spraying.
Stefan
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Excellent update, Lance :)
;) ;) ;)
vB
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Sorry to be so late to this interesting thread. Great modelling, the interior, weapons and engine look great. So does the scratched paint. I will certainly look into this thread when I start my Snipe (all blame for this is on TaurusModels for releasing that amazing Bentley).
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Terrific progress, Lance. Excellent paint work and decaling. The
Wing looks amazing. Looking forward to the next installments, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Lovely work as usual Lance!
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Beautiful job on the PC10 and CDL, Lance!
George
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The Aviattic White backed CDL Decals were cut to shape and applied to the wings and empennage under surfaces to provide the two inch "wrap- under feature of the standard British Finish, great product that worked very well
The result is an absolutely tidy "demarcation line" between CDL and PC10. I think this approach is better than masking and spraying.
Stefan
Stefan,
Now that I've tried this method I believe it's the best way to go by far, with a little care while cutting the decal to fit it's far easier to get a neat and tidy result.
Cheers,
Lance
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Wow! Thank you all for taking the time to reply with your positive comments, they are truly appreciated! :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Beautiful work so far Lance.
James
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Lance,
Your work is terrific as usual! The CDL decal does indeed make for a neat job on the carry over PC10! Your PC10 color looks excellent and you recovered from the cracked paint quite well!
RAGIII
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what a wonderfull job
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Hi Lance:
I like the CDL decal affect. I am going to have to get some and the decal as I like the scheme and the history. As has been mentioned, a nice tidy job of it. Makes me want to get another one and build the Sopwith collection.
Best
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James, Rick, Moustique, and Mark,
Thanks for checking her out and for your kind comments! I'd recommend the CDL Decals as a solution to the "wrap under" without hesitation. As for the "cracked paint", maybe not so much! :-\
Cheers,
Lance
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Truly brilliant, Lance! I love the results you achieved with the Aviattic decals. You've got me itchin' to do mine.
Cheers,
Bud
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"Truly brilliant, Lance! I love the results you achieved with the Aviattic decals"
Lance,
Ditto what Bud said and to that I'll add Outstanding. Well Done my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Bud, Greg,
Much appreciate your comments. As with the Lozenge Product you need the White Decal Paper version of the CDL or it will show the base colours through the translucent decal. With the kit part as your template the cutting is not as onerous as it first appears.
Cheers,
Lance
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Very nice job on the wrap-arounds Lance, and as the others have stated, the CDL decals look very much the part when I see them applied. The fuselage striping looks excellent too and from seeing how well you did with these, I've got a bit more confidence in trying them myself when I get to my Barker build. Everything looks superb as always and now I can see just how far out ahead of me you are. Looking forward to seeing more images as you progress.
Cheers,
Chris
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Thanks Chris, I don't think I'm much ahead of you, presently I'm labouring away at the post shading which you've completed on yours already. I'm trying pastel pencils vs. the usual dry chalk pastels, and it's going very slowly. (and as you mentioned as well earlier, "riblets" are not my forte!)
Cheers,
Lance
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Here's another quick update before I get too far along. Things are starting to happen a little quicker and final assembly is getting close. At closing of the previous update I mentioned that I'd be starting the post shading, and using pastel pencils for the first time. I started with the lower surfaces and, having noticed in the majority of photos that the rib outlines or shadows appear darker then the surrounding fabric when the upper surface is done in PC10, I used a darker shade of light brown then the fabric. I'm quite happy with these results.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4042.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4042.jpg.html)
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For the top surfaces of the wings I used a dark grey vs. the black I have used in the past and worked opposite to the lower surface technique, that is either side of the ribs to have them appear lighter then the surrounding fabric. I found the pencil method harder to control then the chalk pastels I've used in the past and am not exactly ecstatic with the results.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4047.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4047.jpg.html)
At this point I decided to revert back to my old method using Chalk Pastels for the fuselage highlighting.
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The Model has since been sealed with an airbrush coat of Vallejo Acrylic Satin, and a slightly glossier mix sprayed on the metal cowlings to provide a bit of contrast.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4054.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4054.jpg.html)
I'm much happier with the Chalk results on the fuselage. Last, the aileron pulley inspection ports were painted and are ready for closing up with the clear windows. Once they are painted and installed it's "time to strut".
Cheers,
Lance
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Exellent work and painting, Lance.
Cheers
Martin
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I think she's looking really good Lance. In particular, your shading of the fuselage. It looks absolutely superb! By the way, what exactly are pastel pencils? Personally, while it might not pass your critical eye, I certainly like what you've done with the underside of the wings with them. I think I'll have to hunt them up so give out with where you got them too. ;D Keep up the good work and I look forward to your next update.
Cheers,
Chris
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Gorgeous painting and shading, Lance! Destined for glory, just like the original. ;)
Cheers,
Bud
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You have done a superb job with the shading Lance especially on the fuselage, I will have to give the chalk a go.
Des.
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That looks great Lance!
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Great job on the shading, Lance! It's nice to see that you're not afraid of the wrap-under thingie on the wings, unlike yours truly! :-[
George
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Really nice work so far Lance . :)
Terri
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I think she's looking really good Lance. In particular, your shading of the fuselage. It looks absolutely superb! By the way, what exactly are pastel pencils? Personally, while it might not pass your critical eye, I certainly like what you've done with the underside of the wings with them. I think I'll have to hunt them up so give out with where you got them too. ;D Keep up the good work and I look forward to your next update.
Cheers,
Chris
Chris,
I believe they are an "oil" pastel, as opposed to a chalk, or dry pastel. read expensive coloured pencil. I get them at the local paint store where they have a reasonable Artists Supply section. They are a "Stabilo" Brand product at about $2 per pencil, at least when Oil was fetching $100 plus per barrel!
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(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4065.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4065.jpg.html)
I'd use them again for the CDL treatment but I'm not happy with their application to the upper surfaces. The Chalk Pastels I really prefer are found at Staples, basically a Kid's Beginner's Set, for $5-6. I "powder" them and mix colours on a small piece of sand paper, "dust" them on, and then brush them into a flat overcoat. If too heavy a little cleaning off with a damp paper towel does the trick, masking your unshaded areas being the key.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4063.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4063.jpg.html)
Hope this helps, a beer in Ottawa end month will get you all the info and technique you'll ever need!!
Cheers,
Lance
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Bud, Des, Bo, George and Terri,
Many Thanks for your wonderful comments and encouragements. As always most motivating and very much appreciated!
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
Do you use any kind of clear coat or fixative over the pastels to ensure they don't smear or wear off? Can you paint over them afterwards or do you apply the chalks as the final step?
Thanks,
George
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Extremely Impressive post shading on both Methods! I really like the upper wing in spite of your misgivings!
RAGIII
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Your method of pastel shading is very effective, yet still subtle enough for a convincing effect.
Well done.
S.
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Lance,
Do you use any kind of clear coat or fixative over the pastels to ensure they don't smear or wear off? Can you paint over them afterwards or do you apply the chalks as the final step?
Thanks,
George
George,
I apply a light final coat of clear by airbrush, in this case Vallejo Polyurethane Satin Varnish thinned with approx. 40% of their matching "Airbrush Thinner". The only thing I'll add after that is oil stains, etc. For that I'll use a different medium, in this case thinned Oils applied like "washes" where desired.
Cheers,
Lance
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Rick and Stefan, thanks for taking a look and for the votes of confidence! Like many little steps in the process the Post Shading concept was acquired from this Forum.............your Amigo, Bud, got me started on it a few years back! As many have remarked here, sharing is one of the big rewards of participation here! :) :) :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Gorgeous job of the post shading, Lance! Thank you for
the information regarding the tools you use...they really
do a convincing job when in your hand! The Snipe is
looking absolutely superb, so strut away, my friend! ;D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks Ernie, I have the cabanes on but may not be able to get back to her until tomorrow, real life beckons once again..........
Cheers,
Lance
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Thank you again for the info, Lance! You are right about sharing on this forum. I have learned more in the last year since I've been on this forum than I have for years and years before I joined!
George
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Beautiful work Lance. Will have to bookmark the weathering lessons. Thanks :)
James
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Beautiful work Lance. Will have to bookmark the weathering lessons. Thanks :)
James
Dittos, will do same, nice work.
Ed
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Thanks James and Ed. It's a slow go these days, I had hoped to have another update earlier then this, now I'm still a day or so behind!
Cheers,
Lance
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Finally ready for another update before I get too far along, Chris is really progressing on his Late "Silver Bullet" version and cracking the whip to keep me going!
The cabane struts were installed with the help of a simple template/jig to ensure proper attachment and alignment of the upper wing. Once the positioning was satisfactory ultra thin CA was run into the bottom strut locations. The very positive fitting and alignment of the cabanes eliminated the requirement for a full "Biplane Jig" on this one. They were then rigged with Modelkasten stretchable rigging thread to prevent sagging as the various other struts and lines exert force on the assembly.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4056.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/SE%205a%20and%20Beyond/IMG_4056.jpg.html)
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......and the results
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The aileron inspection windows were added, such a perfect fit that no glue was required. The dust was removed after the photo was examined!
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I then installed the windshield and the fuel system venturi, the latter which I have since re-installed three times due to insertion of fumble finger frolics into my work pattern!!
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The interplane rigging was installed on the bottom surface, aileron control wire and turnbuckles added, and the cross bracing in the center section added. I used Maxima Chameleon 0.12 mm mono for the rigging, first time I've used it and I love the stuff, Thanks Chris! The aileron control wire is steel guitar string. The fuselage oil staining and grime added where required and the cockpit leather coaming and center section overhead cross member were given a bit of wear and grunge using Winsor Oil Lampblack. Once the upper wing was attached to the cabanes the inner bay interplane struts were attached. They'll be cross rigged next before the process gets repeated on the outer bays.
A little grime on the coaming and hand hold.......
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......a few shots of the center section work, the hole on the right forward cabane mounting will be patched and cosmetically restored later, just another brief insertion of the builder's head into his lower body cavity, nuff said about that little episode!!
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......a few shots of the oil staining, thanks to Jamo's excellent photos of the TVAL Replica Snipe in our Forum.
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And next all the little lines start to get tied to their various anchor points to hold it all together.
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It's a typically spectacular Wingnut Wings Kit but I'm finding it a real challenge. Most problems have been very much self induced, maybe I'm just rusty or age is starting to impact on my results. Could be getting real close to a shift into 1:24 Scale! :P :-\
Cheers,
Lance
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Your Snipe is looking greater and greater Lance. We wants one, we wants one, too :-)
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Outstanding work, Lance! She's shaping up beautifully. I love the jig.
Cheers,
Bud
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Hello Lance,
Just been catching up with this build with interest as a Snipe is in the stash awaiting it's turn.
Just like to say that despite the 'accident' with the hairspray I think the effect after weathering is very realistic and quite 'different' - a 'mistake' definitely worth remembering to try to emulate for the future. Also I really do like your CDL result with the darkened ribs - again all 'grist for the mill' and something also noted for attempting.
Looking forwards to seeing the rest all come together in coming days
Regards - Tug
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This is looking spectacular Lance, each step I the building progress just gets better and better. The oil staining looks very realistic as does the paint chipping, you are doing an excellent job with the rigging, overall a very stunning looking model.
Des.
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More awesome ideas. I'll have to make a jig up when I'm building now that I see how easy and useful it is. I think next pay I will have to get another Snipe and another set of decals and start mine all over.
:D
James
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Many thanks to Bud, Prze, Des, and James, I much appreciate your feedback and supportive comments! Tug, I'm not sure I'd repeat the "rushed hairspray trick" again, although the effect is growing on me.
Cheers,
Lance
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Another terrific update! It is really coming together, and in a Fantastic fashion! Your rigging is top notch!
RAGIII
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Fantastic work, Lance.
Looks very wonderful.
Cheers
Martin
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Thanks Martin and Rick, it's getting close to being completed but the rigging is going very slowly at this point.
Cheers,
Lance
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Great update Lance. This is the first time where I'll be employing a jig to line up my Snipe's cabanes so your photos are very instructive. Is the long piece of plastic rod there to align the jig with the bottom wing? My jig doesn't have that feature . . . yet. ;) I've been thinking that rigging the cabanes would be a bit of a challenge but I see that you've gone ahead and done the job with the jig in place. Brilliant idea, and not something I would've thought of! Is that your usual practice when using a jig?
. . . Once the upper wing was attached to the cabanes the inner bay interplane struts were attached. They'll be cross rigged next before the process gets repeated on the outer bays.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this all unfolds. ;) ;D
Cheers,
Chris
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Chris,
The long piece on the template is for top/bottom wing alignment as you said. Kind of a Mark One Eyeball precision tool! The cabanes were rigged with the jig removed, but snapped back on several times to ensure nothing's moved as the lines are installed.
As you know from my PM of this morning, the cross rigging on the main spars has unfolded like a movie called "Mr. Bean rigs a Bi-plane", more of which I'll confess to here if I ever recover! I didn't see that big train coming before I crossed the tracks...........!! :( :-[ :'(
Cheers,
Lance
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I can't believe it's been more then three weeks since my last update. Two weeks of travel and a holiday in Ottawa, our national capital, sort of put this project well back on the priority list. In addition to a great meeting with four fellow Forumites, tours of the Canadian War Museum and the Canadian Aviation and Space Museum, and a great IPMS Convention and contest and opportunity to get "Hands on" to William Barker's Snipe at the War Museum it turned out to be a truly great memory.
Here's our group in front of the original fuselage of E8102 in which William barker flew his truly "Homeric" Victoria Cross Mission in October of 1918, and myself "feeling the vibes" from this incredible artifact......a truly moving experience.
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I've completed the Main wing rigging which, other then the cross rigging of the main spars was fairly routine. The former task proved a real challenge as getting in between the main planes called for about three fingers more then I have! The longitudinal cabanes had benn completed prior to mounting of the upper wing leaving only the front lateral cross braces to do.
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A few places to do some paint touch-ups evedent here......
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A very tight fit on these next two attachments, and fairly time consuming.
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The viewing of the real thing made me wish I'd done better on this one, she's grown more then several "warts" already and is far from complete. The aft fuselage as displayed has not, to my knowledge, been refinished and the application of markings, especially the white stripes on the fuselage is very "rough"; not, I'd speculate, unlike most other field applied personal markings of the era. I do wonder at the PC10 painted "turtle deck" and forward upper metal cowlings, if I do another I'd consider foregoing the Battleship Grey and doing it per this pattern. A few examples in the references have PC10 vs. grey on these components but, then again, the photo of the aircraft after recovery from the crash site (#29 in the Data File) shows a very vivid contrast between the (Grey?) metal panels and PC10 Fabric. :-\ :-\ :-\
Now it's on with the rudder and the tail rigging, aileron rigging and more weathering.
Cheers,
Lance
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You have done a superb job with the wing and undercarriage rigging Lance, looking forward to seeing the tail rigging next.
Des.
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She's really coming along nicely now Lance and you have the end of the project firmly in your sights now. Your rigging looks clean and taut. Isn't that Aldis Sight a lot of fun to mount? I can hardly wait to do it again. I'm looking forward to your next update.
Cheers,
Chris
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I like the distressed paint on the fuselage underside! Nicely done.
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Up to your usual high standards, Lance!
Excellent work ;)
vB
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Even with full blown macro, I still don't see any warts, Lance. All I see is first rate modeling and top notch rigging.
Cheers,
Bud
PS- I looked in my Canadian-American dictionary to see If "wart" meant something else in Canadian. It doesn't.
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Thanks Des and Chris, much appreciate positive comments from Guys that model at your levels. Same on your part, Bo, I still have thoughts that I may have taken my penchant for a well used look too far on this one. Not hard to get great rigging results with your supplies von Buckle, many thanks! Much appreciate your comments as well, Bud. There's very few different meanings in our national dictionaries, you guys have got almost all of it right! After 2 days in company with MGunns it was a short trip down memory lane to the good old days working closely with the Regulars, Guard, and Reserve folks in my former life, and nothing but great memories at that! :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance,
Outstanding rigging and paint my old friend. Seeing the real article must have been something else. Not to mention an awesome reference for your project. Keep up the excellence .
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Lance,
Your rigging is exceptional and has answered a few questions I had when building my first Snipe! I love the weathering on the undersurfaces. Really OUTSTANDING Modeling!
RAGIII
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Thanks Greg, and yes, the chance to see the real thing up close was a truly thrilling experience. They also had Bishop's Nieuport 17 prop, spinner, Lewis Gun and windscreen complete with bullet hole on display, all in a glass case. I had seen the windscreen on a previous visit, the rest was a pleasant surprise. The blue (LVG??) spinner finally confirmed the colour for me, much darker then I had thought, almost black in the typically poor museum lighting.
Rick, the rigging can be a bit of a puzzle for the attachments to the landing gear struts; Jamo's photos were very helpful to unravel the puzzle. Thanks for the positive comments, I guess I hid the warts well! ::)
Cheers,
Lance
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I do envy you Lance to have an opportunity to see and touch the Barker`s plane!!!
Your model is coming along up to your usual standards of awesomeness ;)
I really like the cowling mount.
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Thanks Filip, It's too bad so many other fine relics have been destroyed or just disappeared over the years. When I think about the nearly two dozen Fokker DVII's we had in Canada after the war and their fate in the junk yards I shake my head, national treasures realised too late!
Cheers,
Lance
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Very great work to this details, Lance.
Cheers
Martin
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I've just been through this build and its fantastic - I love the worn paint effects on the Alu parts!
Also the template/jig for the struts is a fantastic idea!
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Hi Lance!!!
Somehow I managed to miss this build all together :-\ Im glad I found it eventually - some great ideas and certainly fine modelling ;) Well, now Im hooked :D
Cheerio
Lukas
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I'm a bit late to weigh in here, Lance, but I agree with the others. Your Snipe is looking fantastic! As Bo said, the distressed paint on the fuselage underside looks great!
George
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Thank you, Gents! I finished Her yesterday, will get a photo up here and a Completed Models Post done later today. :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Here She is done as of late yesterday. Other then the poor fit of the upper engine panel and "turtle deck", entirely my fault, I'm pretty happy with the results. More photos on Completed Models momentarily.
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Cheers,
Lance
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Thank you Lance for letting us see how you built this superb model, I have just been over to Completed Models and looked at all your photos, I must say that it is a remarkable looking Snipe, well done Lance,
Des.
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Many Thanks for your kind comments, Des, it's great to have a place to share our efforts!
Cheers,
Lance
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She's truly stunning, Lance! Superb craftsmanship from beginning to end. Makes me want to start mine.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks Bud!
Quote: "Makes me want to start mine."
No time like the present, there's been a covey of Snipes these past few weeks! :)
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance, Very Nice Work !
ed
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Thanks Ed, she`s been growing on me since going into the case. ???
Cheers,
Lance
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You have build an outstanding model, Lance.
Cheers
Martin
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Thanks so very much Martin!
Cheers,
Lance