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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Rizzo on July 03, 2012, 08:20:58 PM

Title: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on July 03, 2012, 08:20:58 PM
I wasn't too sure about posting this here, because I expect it to be such a long term build. But there isn't another one of these models posted yet, so I guess it might still be of interest to someone, and maybe others will try out these kits too :)

The kit contains a huge number of metal parts, some laser-cut wood, more wood of various sizes (all lime/basswood), and various other materials for wiring etc. When you open the box it actually looks quite empty, but once the metal parts are taken out of their very cramped container, it fills up quite well! Actually while the packaging certainly stops things rattling around, it does warp some of the larger metal pieces, so some reshaping is required later on.

The first stage was making the all metal engine. I've put together the main parts for this, but I'm leaving it for now, while I decide how to proceed. It's ok for what it is, but has rather soft low resolution detail. For example, there are less than half the number of cooling fins the real engine has, presumably to avoid any casting issues with detail that's too fine.
I will either: carry on with it as is, scratch make some parts with plastic card, make a CAD model and have a company print it out in resin for me.

The third option will be expensive, and my job is producing 3d models... so not something I do for fun in the evenings anymore! It would produce the best results though.

So while I make my mind up on that one, I've made progress with the wings instead. The first step is to prepare all those ribs, and that alone took a few evenings. After staining them, each one is sanded (got to get rid of charring from the laser cutting process) and pinned to the rib caps, so that the rib lies in the middle.

I've now got the ribs in place on the spars. Still lots to do, but I'm finding it a very satisfying part of the kit to make.

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9291.jpg)

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9292.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Des on July 03, 2012, 08:30:06 PM
No problems at all posting your build here, this forum is for WW1 aircraft models of any scale, any material, so your 1:16 scale Sopwith Camel fits in beautifully.

I am looking forward to seeing you progress with this build, I have been very keen on these large scale models for some time so I will be very interested to see how you tackle it, your work so far looks great and what road you decide to take with the engine I'm sure it will be an excellent result, please keep us posted.

Des.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: pepperman42 on July 03, 2012, 10:55:49 PM
Looks pretty much like youre building the real thing

Steve
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: uncletony on July 04, 2012, 12:25:08 AM
Very interested to see this build progress, thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: mike in calif on July 04, 2012, 01:01:36 AM
I too have this kit, so I'll be watching!
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: coyotemagic on July 04, 2012, 01:11:01 AM
So glad you're posting this here, Rizzo.  I'm really looking forward to following your progress.  I would love to score one of these.  Too bad they're no longer available.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on July 04, 2012, 01:49:08 AM
So glad you're posting this here, Rizzo.  I'm really looking forward to following your progress.  I would love to score one of these.  Too bad they're no longer available.
Cheers,
Bud

You can still get them, direct from ModelExpo (who make this under the ModelAirways name) :)
http://www.modelexpo-online.com/page.asp?lp=7008

I you're maybe thinking of the Hasegawa version though? I'd like to get hold of one of those too, although it's twice as big again... I wouldn't have nearly enough room to display the thing properly!
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: coyotemagic on July 04, 2012, 02:10:26 AM
Thanks, Rizzo.  Yeah, I was thinking of the Hasagawa kit.  :-[ Still want one of those.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on July 09, 2012, 07:22:42 PM
I've now got most of the woodwork in place for the upper wing, and with all that under a few layers of varnish, the next step is going to be to add in all the metal fittings. I've decided to make my own though, so it'll be a bit of a slow process as I cut all the parts out of brass sheet.

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9298.jpg)

One thing worth mentioning for anyone else that makes this model- watch for the front of the wingtips. If you use the cast metal parts as they are, it leaves too little room to blend in the wood and will force the wing tip to follow the wrong shape (as on the left here). A real Camel doesn't have that triangular bit anyway, so I cut it off, and let the metal tip meet the front spar further out (as on the right)

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9294.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Fokker boy on July 10, 2012, 02:06:36 AM
Now this will be interesting.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: coyotemagic on July 10, 2012, 02:10:51 AM
Excellent progress, Rizzo.  You've gotten an awful lot done in such a short time.  Outstanding.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: pepperman42 on July 10, 2012, 02:25:51 AM
Do those brass tips have a bit of an airfoil shape?

Steve
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on July 10, 2012, 03:08:34 AM
Do those brass tips have a bit of an airfoil shape?

Steve

Not really- on the real aircraft it just has a simple curved rod that shapes the outline of the wing (and the whole wingtip tapers down to this level), so that's all the part on the kit needs to do.
With lots of these parts, they're made more chunky than in reality though, so things don't get too fragile.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Fokker boy on July 10, 2012, 03:19:45 AM
Do those brass tips have a bit of an airfoil shape?

Steve

Not really- on the real aircraft it just has a simple curved rod that shapes the outline of the wing (and the whole wingtip tapers down to this level), so that's all the part on the kit needs to do.
With lots of these parts, they're made more chunky than in reality though, so things don't get too fragile.

Probably not a bad idea really, especially for a ham fisted guy like myself.  :)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: GAJouette on July 11, 2012, 07:03:27 AM
  Rizzo,
Excellent project my friend. I'm looking forward to following along with this thread. Outstanding progress to date.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: lcarroll on July 12, 2012, 12:03:03 AM
Logic keeps screaming out at me, "too big, no room" etc. etc.
 Then I check the Web Site and the Albie's on for half price...........hopefully if I can drag my feet for a while the sale will end, or I'll be moving into the Dog Run!
   Really interesting and a pleasure to watch (Hopefully from a distance!)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Dal Gavan on July 12, 2012, 09:57:25 AM
Rizzo, that's amazing work.  I'm glad you decided to post this one, I'll enjoy following this build.

Thanks.

Dal.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Whiteknuckles on July 12, 2012, 10:29:54 AM
Wow, this will be excellent Rizzo, watching intently!!

Andrew
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on July 17, 2012, 07:49:49 PM
I've now fitted the trailing edge parts, and the struts that make up the rigging structure inside the wing.

The kit has single metal bars for those struts which need drilling through to allow the rigging to be fitted, while the real aircraft has a wooden structure with metal tags to fit the rigging terminals to. So I ditched the kit parts completely, and cut the fittings out of brass, and made the struts from lime wood. I've also attached the turnbuckles, copying the method Des uses, just scaled up.

Along with the brass parts I used for the trailing edge, this needed over 70 parts to be cut, drilled and sanded, and now I'm looking at the fuselage, which will need much more... the rigging definately needs something better there too.

So, to save myself a lot of time, I decided to design a photo etch sheet, of all the parts I can think I'll need (instrument bezels, footplates, pulleys, there's plenty of white metal bits I'd like to improve). That's not proving to be much fun, and will take a bit of time, but I'm hoping it''ll be worth it! I won't make the photo etch myself though (with a 7 year old running around I don't want those chemicals in the house), so I've found a company that can do it for me at a reasonable price.

I will try to balance how much I change though; I'm finding there's a danger, when everything is visible, to get drawn into accuracy too much, and it stops being fun. So my aim is just to improve the bits I really don't like the look of, and leave the rest as it is.

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9301.jpg)

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9303.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: uncletony on July 17, 2012, 08:00:40 PM
Those are wise words, Rizzo. It's important to remember why we are doing these things.

Looking forward to seeing your results with the outsourced pe. I've thought about designing my own pe as well but don't relish the idea of yet another toxic hobby station.

The wing is looking really fantastic, btw. :)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Tomek on July 18, 2012, 01:10:24 AM
Lovely work, Rizzo!
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: pepperman42 on July 18, 2012, 01:54:12 AM
This is the best approach to what we do - make it the way you enjoy it the most. P.E challenges along with straight forward building make  problems, with a bit of thought process, solvable and the end result is a very satisfying experience!!!!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: GAJouette on July 18, 2012, 09:54:12 PM
  Rizzo,
Wow truly impressive work my friend. Looking forward to more. I think you should be congratulated for such high levels of Craftsmanship and skills,Well Done.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: ericw43 on July 19, 2012, 10:42:43 AM
This is interesting and I like it. Craftmanship and construction.
But my past experience in modelling is wooden ships so I find this appealing.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: lcarroll on July 20, 2012, 01:28:12 AM
Rizzo,
    Your comment regarding achieving a "balance" when it comes to reality/detail and the spirit of the hobby really struck home; I like your conclusion a lot as I often struggle with the same contradictions. It's a very fine line between when is "more too much" and enjoyment of the hobby; one I often have trouble with. I admire your problem solving skills! Great project and make sure it stays enjoyable. (watching this build will be for me)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: N.C.S.E on July 20, 2012, 07:09:52 PM
I love that wing.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on July 28, 2012, 08:30:30 PM
I've not had much time to do anything on this in the last week or so, but I did get my photo-etch sheet done :)

It took a bit of discussion to figure out the best format (I wanted to use photoshop vectors), but after that I got the finished sheet within three days of sending them the files. I used a company called PPDltd and the price isn't cheap, but not expensive for what it is either (about £40 for an A4 sized one off sheet). The quality looks great, and as it'll make a nice difference to an expensive kit I felt it was worth doing.

You can see the sheet here next to a test print of the design (the paper version was was printed minus the black borders and with oversized instruments)

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9306.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: uncletony on July 29, 2012, 01:24:35 AM
Very cool. So did you use PS vectors or something else? Does the vendor have a website?
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on July 29, 2012, 01:57:56 AM
Very cool. So did you use PS vectors or something else? Does the vendor have a website?

Yep, their website is: http://www.ppdltd.com/

We didn't come up with any way to use the photoshop file directly (they wanted cad or illustrator files), so in the end I just saved it as a raster image in high resolution (I think it was 300 pixels per cm- as two 2mb jpg files so I could still email the thing). You can't see any hint of pixelation, so that seemed to work just fine :)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: uncletony on July 31, 2012, 10:31:28 AM
Good to know, thanks. I'm pretty handy with Illustrator, so that's encouraging...

Carry on! :-)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on August 17, 2012, 05:07:59 AM
Well I've only had a few days to work on this one in the last month, and I probably won't get much more time for at least another two weeks :( But, I did at least get the seat done. It was one of the parts in the kit that really needed to be replaced. Not perfect, but I think it will be a nice upgrade still :) I was pleasantly surprised at how quickly it came together too, although it still needs some shading on the paint to add a bit of depth and variation.

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9307.jpg)

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9312.jpg)

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9311.jpg)

Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: coyotemagic on August 17, 2012, 05:30:43 AM
Amazing seat, Rizzo.  Truly brilliant.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: GAJouette on August 17, 2012, 06:30:15 AM
  Rizzo,
Outstanding work on the seat my friend. Vast improvement over the supplied seat.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Des on August 17, 2012, 07:02:09 AM
Excellent work on the seat Rizzo, and a great choice of colours.

Des.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: pepperman42 on August 17, 2012, 08:48:57 AM
Rizzo - everyone is enjoying your seat - it must be those designer slacks you wear.........but really the work is excellent!!!!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: lcarroll on August 17, 2012, 12:55:10 PM
Rizzo,
    "Eye Candy" to the serious modeller, beautiful work! Can't wait to see the bird in it's entirety.
Cheers,
Lance 8)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Carpo on August 17, 2012, 04:47:11 PM
What colour have you painted the seat? It is just the perfect colour for cane!
Carpo
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on August 17, 2012, 05:42:36 PM
Thanks for all the comments :)

What colour have you painted the seat? It is just the perfect colour for cane!
Carpo

It was Vallejo (model clolour) yellow ochre with a bit of medium fleshtone brushed on seperately, to break up the colour uniformity a bit. It's still a bit too uniform though, so I think I'll dry brush some light and dark shades over the top... I don't think the weave is neat enough to use a wash on though... it'd just highlight all the wobbles!
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Dal Gavan on August 19, 2012, 01:08:34 PM
Rizzo, as everyone said, that seat looks brilliant. This is an engaging build.

Dal.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on September 04, 2012, 11:03:50 PM
I've got the main fuselage frame together now, and I have to admit I'm glad that bit is done! It may not look it, but 90% of the work here was just in those PE rigging points. They're a nice update to make though, firstly because the kit parts look quite bulky and inaccurate, but also because they miss out 2/3 of the rigging wires. Quite deliberately I suspect, but it's still going to be a noticable omission.

Instead, I tried to copy the attachments the real aircraft has. And this required three PE parts and three pins to be shaped and joined together at each point (and there's 26 points) so it was very tedious...

That part done, I then had a quite a struggle to get the frame together, as it wasn't initially strong enough to cope with the bend put into it. Eventually, after using far more glue than I'd have liked, it came together with the joins looking a bit too messy, but much less noticeable once I'd cleaned things up a bit.

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9314.jpg)

So now I've got a long list of parts to make for the fuselage, and it's proving to be much less repetitive, and a lot more fun :)

I've used some more of the PE sheet to make the throttle quadrant, and started on a new instrument panel. This is another part I'd recommend replacing in the kit, less because of the shape issues, more because the kit part is just far too low (about 4mm which even in 1/16 is a lot).

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9316.jpg)

I've been having quite a few problems with photobucket here btw, so not sure if all the photos will load...
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: GAJouette on September 05, 2012, 01:20:49 AM
  Rizzo,
Very impressive work on the airframe my friend. You attachment points are awesome and I'm quite excited about seeing all the internal rigging in place shortly. Absolutely love your throttle quadrant too ,it's such excellent P.E work. When fully plumbed it'll be perfect. Looking forward to seeing more of your instrument panel.I've got a feeling it going to be awesome is every detail.Thanks for such a informative and pleasurable thread to follow my friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: uncletony on September 05, 2012, 01:37:15 AM
Ditto what Gregory said. Makes me want to take on the 1/16th D.Va.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on September 08, 2012, 10:18:22 PM
Thanks for the comments :)

As well as working on some of the cockpit parts, I've also been starting work on the aluminium covers and cowl. A Camel isn't a Camel without it's hump :) I did consider vac-forming, or hammering the shapes out of aluminium. In the end I thought 3d printing would be the best option- I'll cover it with aluminium foil later.

First I scanned the frame and imported this in, so I could re-create it in 3d (better than using plans, as making the frame wasn't exactly precision engineering!).

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/sc1.jpg)

Using several blueprints for the different parts I then modelled them in, as well as the missing wooden bits- I'll also be using this file to create templates to cut the wood from

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/sc2.jpg)

There's still plenty of detail missing in the model, including most of the circular cut-outs. But I should have it done sometime later this week. Some things like the Vickers are just placeholders to fit things around- no plans to print them yet.

I decided to leave out the side panels, to give a better view of the insides, so this will be the parts I get printed. It's also very fast, only six hours or so to get this far. Making it all by hand would have taken me ten times that I'd think!

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/sc3.jpg)

So far, it's proving quite a useful way to work out how to make what is quite a tightly packaged area of the aircraft.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on September 13, 2012, 10:03:08 PM
Here's the printed parts:

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9320.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Whiteknuckles on September 15, 2012, 08:26:48 AM
Wow, that's very cool Rizzo!!

Nicely done ;)

Andrew
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: pepperman42 on September 16, 2012, 11:31:18 AM
Its been explained but Im still getting my head around "printed" parts. This is amazing work.

Steve
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: GAJouette on September 25, 2012, 01:13:24 AM
  Rizzo,
How's that lovely Camel coming along? Very impressive "printed" cowl pieces from your last update too my friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on September 26, 2012, 07:04:15 PM
  Rizzo,
How's that lovely Camel coming along? Very impressive "printed" cowl pieces from your last update too my friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette

Well, I'm at the hardest part of the build now... carrying on without being tempted away by the new WNW kits!

I'm working on various bits all over the place on this one recently though...
My main focus is getting the tail in place soon, as it's being changed so much from the kit parts. After that I'll finish up the cockpit parts I've started on.

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9334.jpg)

Here's the method I used for the prop:
(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9321.jpg)
(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9323.jpg)
(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9324.jpg)
(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9325.jpg)

Not quite enough of a curve to the leading edge though, so I may redo it. But it was fun to make so that's just fine :)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: coyotemagic on September 27, 2012, 12:59:26 AM
Very nice work so far, Rizzo.  That prop is spectacular.  Built just like the real thing.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: GAJouette on September 27, 2012, 07:09:16 AM
  Rizzo,
As always supremely impressive skills and craftsmanship my old friend. Thanks for making my day.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Beto on September 27, 2012, 04:31:02 PM
Hello Rizzo. First of all, congratulations for your incredible craftmanship!!! - And then a question: where did you get your parts 3D printed? - I'm (sloooowly!) building a 1/8 Fokker D.VII and need most parts of the Mercedes engine to be printed. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: KrzysiekK on September 27, 2012, 05:04:33 PM
crazy stuff!!! really breathtaking!! Little factory at home I suppose :)

regards

K
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on September 27, 2012, 08:47:28 PM
Thanks for the comments, guys :)

Beto, I used this company: http://www.3dprint-uk.co.uk/
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: xmald on September 29, 2012, 08:28:48 PM
Your prop looks great. I`m looking forward to see the next update cause for me it`s like watching a good film.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on October 02, 2012, 08:41:41 PM
I've got the tail in place now, and it starting to look more like a plane and less like a box :)

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9340.jpg)

The kit part looks like this:

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9332.jpg)

So the hinges need to be replaced (that huge U shaped thing there is one of them), the front bar should be wood, and the rear of the stabiliser needs to be raised to make it level in flight (the kit has it facing upwards)

Next I'm making a new rudder- because of the changes made so far, the kit one just won't fit. I also want to make it so that it fits correctly to the rear of the fuselage, rather than just floating next to it. And maybe I'll cover the rudder... I quite like the idea of having just a bit of colour in that area, as well as it being a nice way to mark the model as a Sopwith.

Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: uncletony on October 03, 2012, 12:30:51 PM
Great update on your awesome project. I like the idea of the covered rudder.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on October 27, 2012, 10:58:20 PM
Not much progress, but I did finish the tail today, complete with covering :)

I didn't add the Sopwith text in the end, because the solartex I used has a textured finish (like real linen, but slightly overscale)... I can't see a decal settling down well on it.

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9341.jpg)
(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9343.jpg)
(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9345.jpg)
(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9346.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Chris Johnson on October 27, 2012, 11:46:24 PM
This is just such a great looking modelling project. I wish I was building it too. Very nice work!

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on December 03, 2012, 09:51:34 PM
I've been making some progress with the cockpit... This project has been much slower than I'd expected, but it feels like I'm getting somewhere with it now.

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9350.jpg)

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9355.jpg)

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9356.jpg)

These parts are just loosely placed in position for now... I will be trying to make them fit well, once I have the guns ready to fit in between them.

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9357.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: lcarroll on December 04, 2012, 12:32:55 AM
Rizzo,
    This project is impressive beyond words, it looks more 1:1 then 1:16! The instrument panel is spectacular, to say nothing of the overall impression. As much of a fan of the WNW Kits that I am your project here outshines them by far; stick with the Camel and save the WNW's for later!
Well done.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: GAJouette on December 04, 2012, 01:15:03 AM
   Rizzo,
It's funny thing I was just wondering how your Camel was coming along my old friend. Now it's clear even more outstanding progress has indeed been made. The instrument panel is awesome with all the details and it's construction,truly impressive quality of work throughout this project. The wooden fuselage members appear to be varnished in the photos just as the actual member would have been. What did you varnish them with?

Your project thread is clearly a benchmark for anyone wanting to model the Camel my friend. I as many others will be looking forward to the next outstanding update.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on December 04, 2012, 02:12:59 AM
Thank you for the comments :) It does help my motivation to be able to share the progress here, especially when it seems like quite an uphill struggle sometimes!

Lance, saving the WNW kits for later is what I plan, but they're very, very tempting... I'll have to get this model finished before the Snipe is released, or it'll be doomed for sure!

Gregory, the varnish is just a clear satin varnish for interior decorating. Quite a forgiving finish, so small imperfections (of which there are many!) don't show up too much. The colour comes from a wood stain I use before constuction, so I have no need to worry about glue marks showing up.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: lcarroll on December 04, 2012, 03:26:14 AM
Thank you for the comments :) It does help my motivation to be able to share the progress here, especially when it seems like quite an uphill struggle sometimes!

Lance, saving the WNW kits for later is what I plan, but they're very, very tempting... I'll have to get this model finished before the Snipe is released, or it'll be doomed for sure!

Gregory, the varnish is just a clear satin varnish for interior decorating. Quite a forgiving finish, so small imperfections (of which there are many!) don't show up too much. The colour comes from a wood stain I use before constuction, so I have no need to worry about glue marks showing up.

Now that the DVIIs and the Tripe are here the Snipe is my next big wish, unless they sneak a Camel into the fray! Keep at it and, as Greg said, your thread is a Benchmark, I'm going to add this to my references once you've completed it. Marvellous stuff.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: coyotemagic on December 04, 2012, 04:10:22 AM
Rizzo, this is one of my favorite builds.  Very impressive.  That instrument panel is a work of art, in and of itself.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: pepperman42 on December 04, 2012, 11:04:40 AM
As others have said, very impressive. The i/p is a feat of fine engineering!!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on January 17, 2013, 01:16:26 AM
I've been busy working on the lower wing for the last few weeks. There's obviously a few differences, but on the whole it's just a repetition of the process required for the upper wing... so I think it's been a good idea to put a whole load of fuselage work in between the two :)

I'm now making the pulley assembly for the ailerons, and once that's done I need to add the correct dihedral to the wing before getting it attached to the fuselage.

I've also scrapped the kits struts completely. They're mostly fictional, to allow for a simple way to attach the wings... and I was tempted to go with that. But in the end the quality of the parts is just too poor to use (they're noticeably different from one side of the aircraft to the other for one thing), and so I'll make something closer to reality. You can see the attachment points in the photo- just squished plastic tubing. This will have a wire glued inside it (and into the frame itself too), which should then give a strong enough joint for the wooden struts.

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9365_zps1e0e94fb.jpg)

Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: GAJouette on January 17, 2013, 06:51:58 AM
 Rizzo,
It's great to see this project is alive and well my old friend. Outstanding update,an excellent view into your Master Class skills and craftsmanship. I'm very much looking forward to the next awesome update.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on January 25, 2013, 11:03:54 PM
The lower wing is in place now... and I'm slowly working towards getting it ready for the top wing.

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9367_zpsb4b9fdd8.jpg)

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9368_zpsfcf103ba.jpg)

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9369_zpscdb05db8.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Chris Johnson on January 25, 2013, 11:43:55 PM
Marvelous work! It's just like building a real airplane of the period. While I'd like to try my hand at this kit, I don't think I have the patience for it.

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: coyotemagic on January 26, 2013, 01:40:51 AM
Brilliant craftmanship, Rizzo.  She's coming together beautifully.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: GAJouette on January 26, 2013, 06:52:48 AM
  Rizzo,
Go ahead and admit it this project is actually a 1 to 1 scale built in your garage. But seriously outstanding works my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Epeeman on January 26, 2013, 08:44:28 AM
Rizzo,

Brilliant work!!

I really would not have the patience (or the skill) to undertake a project like this, so I 'take my hat off to you' mate.

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: pepperman42 on January 27, 2013, 01:09:17 AM
That one is shaping up to be a true museum model!!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on January 27, 2013, 10:09:45 PM
Thanks very much for the comments :)

A test of patience is definitely a good way to describe this kit. I think it's a bit beyond my concentration span in all honestly, but I'm determined to not get distracted and get the thing done now,

I'll be very glad once I've got the panels smoothed down and the alclad paint on... things should start to move much faster then.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on February 28, 2013, 05:13:18 AM
Here's a small update for now, but most of the work I've put into this for the last month is to get the upper wing in place. It's mostly ready, but before I glue it all together, the last task was to get the area around the guns ready.

It's been my first try with alclad (with airframe aluminium), and I found it very nice to use. The only hard part was preparing the gloss black for it to go onto- which meant getting those damn printed parts as smooth as possible!
I decided to gloss coat these parts, because of the amount of handling they needed to make it all slot together. It does dull the finish, but for the best really- looks much more like aluminium.

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9380_zps9af42f86.jpg)

I was in two minds about gloss coating the outer panel- while it looks quite cool with the polished look, it doesn't look that authentic. But just as I had glued the guns in place, I discovered that I needed to move them slightly to get the panel to fit on. So that made the decision for me... I had to get it added in a hurry, with no way to gloss coat it now.

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9381_zps035ee71b.jpg)

Next I'll get the rigging ready, and then glue the upper wing in place.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: GAJouette on February 28, 2013, 06:29:14 AM
  Rizzo,
Awesome update my old friend. Absolutely beautiful work! I'm very much looking forward to see her with her upper wing and rigging in place.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Chuckt5 on February 28, 2013, 07:17:44 AM
Very nice!  :)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: pepperman42 on February 28, 2013, 08:00:51 AM
Nice work!!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: uncletony on February 28, 2013, 11:30:34 AM
Another awesome update, one of my favorite projects here...
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: mgunns on March 02, 2013, 05:22:32 AM
Hello Rizzo:

I am just now catching up with this build log.  As has been stated many times:  truly amazing.  I wouldn't have the patience to build one of these, so I will sit back and marvel at the work you are doing and enjoy watching it continue to evolve and your skill at overcoming the flaws and making it all work.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on March 02, 2013, 09:17:36 PM
Thanks all :)

I got the upper wing on yesterday:

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9382_zps9d5a1295.jpg)

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9385_zps206f243a.jpg)

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9386_zpse9832745.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Chris Johnson on March 02, 2013, 11:46:25 PM
What a great looking model you're going to have when it's done. Colour me green with envy!

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: GAJouette on March 03, 2013, 05:23:45 AM
  Rizzo,
She's an absolute Masterpiece in the making my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: pepperman42 on March 03, 2013, 07:40:21 AM
Forming into a great looking Camel now!!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: bobs_buckles on March 03, 2013, 10:12:03 PM
A museum piece if ever there was one - outstanding!
Cheers,
bOb
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on March 21, 2013, 09:26:40 PM
Thanks again for the comments :)

Most of the rigging is done now- just the front flying wires are missing (they're waiting for the side panels to be fitted first)
And after converting the Albatross wheels (how lazy of them is that?!), I've also got the undercarriage fixed in place.

Now to get more parts ready for Alclad paint.

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/IMG_9389_zpsfde682ea.jpg)

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/20130321_103456_zps652d5a7a.jpg)
(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/20130321_103308_zps5f189a7d.jpg)
(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/20130321_103350_zps24164300.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: pepperman42 on March 22, 2013, 12:51:58 AM
Looks great up on her feet and rigged!!

Steve
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Pete Nottingham on March 22, 2013, 01:10:58 AM
Stunning work Rizzo, a fantastic build.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: lcarroll on March 22, 2013, 02:42:57 AM
Now, that's a Camel Rizzo! Very impressive, where on earth are you going to display her? :-\ ;)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: GAJouette on March 22, 2013, 03:52:21 AM
  Rizzo,
OUTSTANDING my friend. She carries all the marks of being the work of a true Master Craftsman.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: PrzemoL on March 22, 2013, 09:53:59 PM
Amazing modelling! It looks as a real thing. Looking forward to see more.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: RAGIII on March 23, 2013, 05:39:33 AM
OK, I totally missed this one  :-X WOW, this is truly amazing craftmanship!! Thank you for posting your work!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on March 28, 2013, 08:08:40 PM
Thanks all! :)

I think I mentioned when I posted a photo of the propeller before, that I really wasn't happy with the shape of it. I'd glued the layers without enough of a twist, so it was really doomed from the start.

So with that one as a useful practice run, I've had a second go at it, and I'm much happier with the results now. It has a more accurate curve to the leading edge, and I've been more careful to get a good finish (although it still could be better in places).

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/20130328_094333_zps278a8aa4.jpg)

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/20130328_094306_zpsbd399ceb.jpg)

I've also been doing my best to get the engine to fit into the cowl. Not easy, because everything has to be perfectly aligned to allow the cowl to still fit over the firewall plate. But it's just about there now- I'll take some photos of that once it's been painted.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Des on March 28, 2013, 08:41:05 PM
That is a beautiful looking propeller Rizzo, the profile looks prefect to my eyes and the laminations are excellent, truely a remarkable job.

Des.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Pete Nottingham on March 28, 2013, 09:52:24 PM
Lovely prop Rizzo, great laminations, excellent job.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: coyotemagic on March 29, 2013, 02:38:30 AM
Outstanding work on the prop, Rizzo!  The perfect finishing touch to the perfect Camel.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Adam on March 29, 2013, 05:30:35 PM
Beautiful propeller, it looks like the real thing.

Adam.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: lcarroll on March 30, 2013, 09:03:15 AM
Rizzo,
    As one who has built his own props on occasion I must say yours is spectacular, nice job and as Adam remarked hard to tell apart from the real item. Beautiful work!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Pup Cam on March 31, 2013, 10:20:36 PM
OK, I totally missed this one  :-X WOW, this is truly amazing craftmanship!! Thank you for posting your work!

Me too - this is an amazing model!

Alan
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: pepperman42 on April 01, 2013, 04:55:42 AM
Excellent work  - very tight grain pattern

Steve
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on April 02, 2013, 02:47:42 AM
Thanks for the comments, you guys have really kept my motivation for this project going, and I appreciate it :)

I finished the engine over the last few evenings. It's without many modifications over the kit parts, and the detail is a bit chunky. So I've tried to paint it in a way that doesn't highlight things like the bulky cooling fins too much. Hopefully it will look ok tucked away under the cowl.

I'm really glad I replaced most of the other metal parts the kit supplies though- it's really heavy with the engine added. Additional parts like the big metal fuel tanks would put quite a strain on the undercarriage.

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/20130401_171317_zps0f3c28b0.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: GAJouette on April 02, 2013, 10:06:23 AM
  Rizzo,
Jaw dropping awesome works my friend.Her engine looks perfect from here.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Des on April 02, 2013, 10:57:02 AM
Beautiful work Rizzo, the prop looks fantastic sitting in position and the engine is awesome, you are doing a brilliant job with this kit.

Des.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Adam on April 02, 2013, 05:28:08 PM
I don't believe, that it is model, it looks like real plane, great job.

Adam.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Andi Little on April 02, 2013, 05:37:54 PM
Museum quality work - very attractive, very appealing.
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: coyotemagic on April 03, 2013, 02:08:29 AM
The engine looks fantastic, Rizzo.  Especially with that gorgeous prop hanging on it.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on May 02, 2013, 08:29:51 PM
I finally got the parts smooth enough for the alclad. Working with the printed resin has definately been my least favourite part of this build, but once it was done, the rest went together very quickly, and it's finally finished :) I'll post up some photos in the completed models section in a bit.

I did get a bit fed up with this one when I heard about the hasegawa kit that will be released soon, but thanks to you guys I did manage to keep my motivation going. But I'm glad it's done and I can move onto something new!

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/20130428_102553_zpsae0aab72.jpg) (http://s683.photobucket.com/user/Rizzo04/media/20130428_102553_zpsae0aab72.jpg.html)

I'm also glad it's now cat proof too:

(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/Rizzo04/20130502_112351_zps2eb246d6.jpg) (http://s683.photobucket.com/user/Rizzo04/media/20130502_112351_zps2eb246d6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: uncletony on May 02, 2013, 09:02:00 PM
Beautiful, congrats!
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: RAGIII on May 02, 2013, 09:09:51 PM
Awesome results! As I said before the work of a true craftsman!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: pepperman42 on May 02, 2013, 09:50:26 PM
Excellent work!! I wouldnt worry about a new kit release yours is a masterpiece.

Steve
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: coyotemagic on May 03, 2013, 02:34:13 AM
Excellent work!! I wouldnt worry about a new kit release yours is a masterpiece.

Steve
Truly stunning, Rizzo.  Masterpiece is the right word.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: GAJouette on May 03, 2013, 12:00:29 PM
  Rizzo,
It's truly a joy to have followed this Awesome project from start to finish my friend. Great cat prove case too.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: 1/16 Sopwith Camel
Post by: Rizzo on May 03, 2013, 07:32:21 PM
Thanks guys!