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Title: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: bobs_buckles on July 01, 2014, 07:40:25 PM
Hello all,
 Well, I'm back in the saddle! The Fok DVIIF has been put away for another day and out comes the PUP!

This will be a discombobulated build thread. So don't expect too much from it  ;)

Here we go!!!

1st question: Do the nubs on the firewall face outward? The instructions show a flush firewall.

Cheers,
Bob



(http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii626/d4rkgimp/pup1_zps9279e67a.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: Ernie on July 01, 2014, 09:49:40 PM
Herr VonPuppy, It's good to see your new project :D. About the nubs,
I believe they are supposed to face out...I know there was a corresponding
notch at the inside top of the cowling on mine.  I will happily be following your
build...knowing your work, it will be marvelous.

Cheers,
Ernie
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: Des on July 01, 2014, 09:58:05 PM
Ernie is correct Bob, as with his Pup kit mine also had a corresponding notch inside the cowling, looking forward to watching the progress of this build.

Des.
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: Alexis on July 01, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Well it sure ain't no Pfalz D.IIIa but will follow along as your build develops . :)




Terri
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: bobs_buckles on July 02, 2014, 01:09:57 AM
Des, Ernie & Terri,
Thanks for the info!  ;)

Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: coyotemagic on July 02, 2014, 01:53:25 AM
I just ordered the Naval Pup, Bob, so I'll be watching this build closely for tips!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: RAGIII on July 02, 2014, 01:10:14 PM
Bob,
I was thinking of starting my Pup next but due to wanting to watch your build I have changed my mind to something else  8)
I have the RFC version but I am sure I will get lots of great ideas from your build!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: Nigel Jackson on July 02, 2014, 03:55:37 PM
Hi Bob. Good luck with the Pup. I've got one in the stash for a rainy day - or in my case, maybe a rainy season, so I'll be following the build with real interest.

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: Squiffy on July 02, 2014, 06:46:07 PM
I'll be following this as, thanks to being influenced by you large scale chaps, I've bought one of these, albeit the RNAS version. It'll be the first time I've built anything larger than 72nd scale! I'll be especially interested when you get to rigging it as I haven't a clue...  :P
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on July 02, 2014, 07:21:42 PM
The WNW RFC Pup was the first aircraft I rigged - took me ages as I didn't really know what I was doing.  However looking back, I would now find this relatively straight forward.  The Pup is not a bad model to start rigging with though - plenty of manouevring space between the wings etc.
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: bobs_buckles on July 02, 2014, 07:39:06 PM
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The Pup is not a bad model to start rigging with though - plenty of manoeuvring space between the wings etc.

I think I will cope!  ;D

Thanks for the loyal support, guys!

Cheers,
 Puppy Von Love  ;)
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: mgunns on July 04, 2014, 03:14:42 AM
Hello Bob:

I too will be following your build.  Good luck with the build.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: Mark on July 04, 2014, 03:18:44 AM
I, too, will be following as I need to get myself one of these British mounts. Only question (rhetorical) is which one?

Mark G. (One of the many "other" Marks  ;))
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on July 04, 2014, 06:24:13 AM
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The Pup is not a bad model to start rigging with though - plenty of manoeuvring space between the wings etc.

I think I will cope!  ;D

Thanks for the loyal support, guys!

Cheers,
 Puppy Von Love  ;)

My comment on rigging was aimed at Squiffy's post, but I guess you knew that anyway ;)

Looking forward to your build, should be a great job.  Don't forget the cockpit frame/floor/lower wing fit is very tight.
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: bobs_buckles on July 04, 2014, 07:32:42 AM

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  Don't forget the cockpit frame/floor/lower wing fit is very tight.

Thanks, Ian  ;)
I have tickled these parts with my rasper file - they should fit A-OK after a light dusting with the old airbrush.... I hope!

Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: bobs_buckles on July 11, 2014, 06:51:54 PM
My concoction of  PC10  for Arthur's mount will be more on the  brownish side... why? Words from the great man as quoted from his book, Open Cockpit.

“The dog-fight when I first experienced the trill of real in-fighting, a confused, breathless circling to avoid being tailed, those few spasmodic bursts at targets too fleeting to hit, steep-banking Albatros D.IIIs, all gaily coloured, in sharp contrast with our uniform drab brown.”

Straight from the horses mouth  ;)

Cheers,
BVB
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: coyotemagic on July 12, 2014, 01:37:44 AM
Excellent choice, Bob.  Most RFC/RNAS pilot's account of their ships colors specifically state brown or even chocolate.  I've personally never seen them referred to as green, but that's not to say they weren't.  Okay.  I'm stepping down off my soap box now. :-[
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: Alexis on July 12, 2014, 09:04:04 AM
Excellent choice, Bob.  Every single RFC/RNAS pilot's account of their ships colors specifically state brown or even chocolate.  I've never seen them referred to as green.  Okay.  I'm stepping down off my soap box now. :-[
Cheers,
Bud

But yet , it's still the colour , which gets the most ...well you know .



Terri
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: RAGIII on July 12, 2014, 09:12:17 AM
Excellent choice, Bob.  Every single RFC/RNAS pilot's account of their ships colors specifically state brown or even chocolate.  I've never seen them referred to as green.  Okay.  I'm stepping down off my soap box now. :-[
Cheers,
Bud

But yet , it's still the colour , which gets the most ...well you know .



Terri

I think the Brown is a good choice. I would say that Bud is right to a point...hank Burden of 56 did a sketch of his SE5a during the war and described the uppers as green. Like others here I have been going more brown with my PC 10. There were MANY PAINFUL discussions on the Drome, Lets leave it at that and go forward  8)

RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: coyotemagic on July 12, 2014, 09:29:30 AM
Sorry, T and Rick.  I'm rarely so adamant about such things. :-[  Must be the full moon (or something).  I've modified the tone of my post to a more  conciliatory one.  (All modifications are italicized.) ;)
Cheers,
Bud

PS- BVB, sorry to lead your thread astray.  Won't happen again, mate.
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: uncletony on July 12, 2014, 01:54:02 PM
That's it Bud, you're banned.  :D
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: coyotemagic on July 12, 2014, 01:56:58 PM
That's it Bud, you're banned.  :D
Again?!

Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: Alexis on July 12, 2014, 02:00:12 PM
No need to apologize Bud . My own words could be at fault as well .





Terri
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: bobs_buckles on July 12, 2014, 06:15:29 PM
Hooligans!   ;D

Rick,
Remind me.... What brew (for Snipe)  did you use for your PC10 - I like it  ;)

Cheers,
Arthur Gawd Help-Us
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: GrahamB on July 13, 2014, 08:19:12 AM
Hi Bob,

give me a day or so and I'll put up some model paints useful for the range of PC10/PC12 Methuen values published variously by Ray Rimell, Ian Huntley and Ian Baker that are based on measured samples. Strictly none of these are 'green', rather yellow-olives through yellow-brown olives to brown-olives (i.e. black/white plus a 'yellow' or 'orange'). I've found it best to mix/choose colours in natural daylight as some of these paints can look 'green' under artificial light (including white strip light from bench-top modelling lamps) but correctly 'brown in real daylight. There are some unexpected examples.

Cheers,

Graham
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: RAGIII on July 13, 2014, 11:07:51 AM
Hooligans!   ;D

Rick,
Remind me.... What brew (for Snipe)  did you use for your PC10 - I like it  ;)

Cheers,
Arthur Gawd Help-Us

Bob,
The simple answer is Grren plus a touch of red until it reaches a brownish tone you like. In my case it was Gunze RLM 71 and Gunze red. I tend to get too dark with my PC 10, " Dark Chocolate "  8) I think next time I will add a touch of white or light grey to bring it more to a milk chocolate  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: bobs_buckles on July 13, 2014, 05:59:37 PM
Hi Graham,
 All PC10 info will be greatly received - Cheers!  ;)

Hi Rick,
 Thanks for your input. I will give your 'special brew' a try.  ;) :)

Bobby Bonkers & The Chocolate Factory  ;D
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: stefanbuss on July 13, 2014, 10:10:28 PM
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give me a day or so and I'll put up some model paints useful for the range of PC10/PC12 Methuen values published

Graham,

do you mind including something on PC8 as well?

Stefan
Title: Re: WNW RFC Sopwith Pup - Arthur Lee
Post by: ggl1269 on August 29, 2014, 06:19:08 AM
very subtle progress mister IBOBOLA.......me thinks sir ;)