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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Radarman on January 03, 2021, 10:20:47 AM
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Hello everyone.
The new year is here and my 1/28th scale Revell Fokker D.VIIF is just about finished. I decided to blow off some dust and conduct
an excavation in the lower levels of my stash to find my next build. I'll be taking some inspiration from Alexis's recent Nieuport Triplane
build.
So here's what I've unearthed.
(https://i.imgur.com/isipo3P.jpg)
Time to get started. Happy New Year and Happy Modeling,
Kevin
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Hello Ken ,
I see you have unearthed a new finding ! ( love the mags ...pissed myself laughing !!! )
Alexis
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Hello Ken ,
I see you have unearthed a new finding ! ( love the mags ...pissed myself laughing !!! )
Alexis
So Alexis, my one question is, how did you know of my interest in archaeology? ESP, no doubt.
Kevin
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Well Kevin ,
In some of your replies you make a ref's too Archaeology indicating an interest in the field , I have an interest in Psychology , do fair amount of reading on different fields . Right now I'm reading a few articles on how humans communicate in our speech and writing patterns .
No ESP or witchcraft ;)
Alexis
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Oh Kevin, these are realms I know my way around! Can I nevertheless watch? :D
I have exactly that kit in stash and find A with the skis interesting.
Do you plan to use the full accessories program like Small Stuff rotary, Gaspatch weapon, ... ?
Have fun with this kit!
Cheers,
Frank
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I am looking forward to your build!
RAGIII
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So , hmmm...you didn't re-bury this did you ?
Alexis
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Hello everyone,
So , hmmm...you didn't re-bury this did you ?
Alexis
Oh Kevin, these are realms I know my way around! Can I nevertheless watch? :D
I have exactly that kit in stash and find A with the skis interesting.
Do you plan to use the full accessories program like Small Stuff rotary, Gaspatch weapon, ... ?
Have fun with this kit!
Cheers,
Frank
Alexis and Frank, I'm glad you're interested in this build. I dug a exploratory trench in another area of my stash and uncovered
a Vector 1/48 scale Le Rhone 9C to use in this build. I'll be dedicating more time to this one now that my big Fokker is about finished.
Kevin
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Hello Everyone,
I've got started on this build. The first thing I'm working on is the Le Rhone 9C. The Vector kit is nice.
(https://i.imgur.com/m8YgLcz.jpg)
The "Horse Shoe" cowl may need to be thinned down a little. I'll see how it goes.
Until next time, Happy Modeling!
Kevin
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Well Kevin , I hope that you are able to fit the engine , But Woman's intuition tells me , and yes it was a good conversation ;) Engine will not fit even with the cowl thinned down , a fair bit of the cylinders will acquire removal . ;)
Alexis
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Well Kevin , I hope that you are able to fit the engine , But Woman's intuition tells me , and yes it was a good conversation ;) Engine will not fit even with the cowl thinned down , a fair bit of the cylinders will acquire removal . ;)
Alexis
Implying that the Kit supplied engine is under scale?
Cheers,
Hugh
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Nice looking engine. Here's to hoping Alexis is off on Her Intuition 8)
RAGIII
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Well Kevin , I hope that you are able to fit the engine , But Woman's intuition tells me , and yes it was a good conversation ;) Engine will not fit even with the cowl thinned down , a fair bit of the cylinders will acquire removal . ;)
Alexis
Implying that the Kit supplied engine is under scale?
Cheers,
Hugh
I guess in this case .." size does matter " ! :)
Yes the kit supply engine is under scale , better suited for 1/43 - 1/45 scale aircraft . Only the out side dim of the model are to 48 scale , engines and cockpits aren't do to plastic thickness . More so on older kits , new kits are better now with the latest mold tech .
The Vector engine is true 48 scale so once the engine is assembled the outer dim will be the same with the outer dim of the fuselage ...cowl will not fit even with thinning , lower part of each cylinder will need to be removed 2.5 mm - 3 mm depending on how much the cowl was thinned .
Alexis
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Hello everyone,
Thanks for checking in. As Alexis said:
Well Kevin , I hope that you are able to fit the engine , But Woman's intuition tells me , and yes it was a good conversation ;) Engine will not fit even with the cowl thinned down , a fair bit of the cylinders will acquire removal . ;)
Alexis
Implying that the Kit supplied engine is under scale?
Cheers,
Hugh
I guess in this case .." size does matter " ! :)
Yes the kit supply engine is under scale , better suited for 1/43 - 1/45 scale aircraft . Only the out side dim of the model are to 48 scale , engines and cockpits aren't do to plastic thickness . More so on older kits , new kits are better now with the latest mold tech .
The Vector engine is true 48 scale so once the engine is assembled the outer dim will be the same with the outer dim of the fuselage ...cowl will not fit even with thing , lower part of each cylinder will need to be moved 2.5 mm - 3 mm de
pending on how much the cowl was thinned .
Alexis
The kit engine is small. Also, with this kit, the instructions would have you use a photo-etch piece to represent the intake manifolds and attach them on the back side
of the cylinders. This would be correct for a Le Rhone 9J, but not the 9C, as installed on the Nieuport 21.
Thanks for checking in,
Kevin
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I'm optimistic that you will manage the combination engine/cowling, Kevin!
I don't know the size of the Vector rotary, but I was able to get a 9C from Small Stuff freely rotatable under a Eduard Nieuport 11 cowling, which seems to be very comparable:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=8545.0
Cheers,
Frank
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Oooh... A Nieuport build! I will be watching this one, Kevin! This is pretty small compared to your latest build, but such a great subject! Getting the engine under the A-model Nieuport cowling called for brutal and extreme engine surgery for my build... I may have to pay for that one day! Regards, Marc
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Hello everyone,
Here's a small update. I've been modifying the upper wing centre section to better represent the structure
seen through the clear covering. I'll add some structural stiffening cables after painting and before covering
with the clear sections.
(https://i.imgur.com/1bqBjzI.jpg)
This is a easy improvement that adds some nice detail.
Happy Modeling,
Kevin
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That is exceptional work on enlarging and detailing the clear panel! I am of course, looking forward to more updates 8)
RAGIII
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An easy fix with out standing results . What are you using for the clear and how will this be attached ? This should sit flush with the wing surface ? Inquiring minds want to know ;) Also don't forget to square up the bell crank opening on the right side of the wing .... :-X
Alexis
yes i know question after question !
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That is exceptional work on enlarging and detailing the clear panel! I am of course, looking forward to more updates 8)
RAGIII
Thanks RAGIII.
An easy fix with out standing results . What are you using for the clear and how will this be attached ? This should sit flush with the wing surface ? Inquiring minds want to know ;) Also don't forget to square up the bell crank opening on the right side of the wing .... :-X
Thanks Alexis, I think I'll try very thin, clear cellophane and attach it with Micoscale liquid tape. Thanks, also, for the tip about the bell crank slot.
Take it easy and Happy Modeling,
Kevin
Alexis
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Well Kevin , I hope that you are able to fit the engine , But Woman's intuition tells me , and yes it was a good conversation ;) Engine will not fit even with the cowl thinned down , a fair bit of the cylinders will acquire removal . ;)
Alexis
Implying that the Kit supplied engine is under scale?
Cheers,
Hugh
I guess in this case .." size does matter " ! :)
Yes the kit supply engine is under scale , better suited for 1/43 - 1/45 scale aircraft . Only the out side dim of the model are to 48 scale , engines and cockpits aren't do to plastic thickness . More so on older kits , new kits are better now with the latest mold tech .
The Vector engine is true 48 scale so once the engine is assembled the outer dim will be the same with the outer dim of the fuselage ...cowl will not fit even with thinning , lower part of each cylinder will need to be removed 2.5 mm - 3 mm depending on how much the cowl was thinned .
Alexis
Yes Terri,
I well recall the plastic in these older kits! And the basic nature of the engines.
There's a couple of ways to "fix" this...
1. thin the cowl from inside (do you have a hobby lathe Radarman?)
2. remove the valve detail from the cylinders that will be enclosed by the cowl... Leaving the ones (four) that are visible entire.
Cheers,
Hugh
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You are absolutely correct Hugh , cheers!
Alexis
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2. remove the valve detail from the cylinders that will be enclosed by the cowl... Leaving the ones (four) that are visible entire.
Hugh, that is a brute method! :o It will not work, if the engine should be able to rotate on the model (as it usually does on mine).
Cheers,
Frank
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Not really Frank , Hugh does have an excellent suggestion and is valid . One that I have done in the past before with resin engines .
In the end it really is Kevins choices on how he wants to tackle this part of the build and I do look forward on seeing how the end results are by his talented hands .
Alexis
My apologies for leading the conversation a stray , away from Kevins build .
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Nice improvement on central upper wing section. Looking forward to next updates.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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2. remove the valve detail from the cylinders that will be enclosed by the cowl... Leaving the ones (four) that are visible entire.
Hugh, that is a brute method! :o It will not work, if the engine should be able to rotate on the model (as it usually does on mine).
Cheers,
Frank
Wow! Then I would suggest that thinning the cowl is the only option.
Hugh
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Yes, this always causes surprise at exhibitions and allows an explanation of the rotary engine that most people have never heard of.
It also makes transport easier, as I can turn the propeller to a non-threatening position.
Sorry Kevin, I do not want to hijack your build report!
Cheers,
Frank
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Hello everyone and thanks for the advice and encouragement you've provided.
As far as the cowling and engine go, I was planing to use a Vector Le Rhone 9C that I had. I assembled it but was
not happy with the result. I found that the intake tubes were a little too long and didn't have the correct twist to
allow them to meet the cylinder heads a the proper place. I'll save it for a closed cowl, perhaps a Sopwith Pup build.
So, I've taken Frank's advice, and will use a Small Stuff Le Rhone instead. I've been working on thinning down the interior
of the cowling, starting with a Dremel and completing the task by sanding by hand.
(https://i.imgur.com/Czb0e1A.jpg)
I've also started on the fuselage by removing the headrest behind the cockpit. The removal left a small area to be filled once parts are closed up.
(https://i.imgur.com/jUHClW1.jpg)
That's it for now. Have a good weekend and Happy Modeling,
Kevin
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You have done an incredible job thinning down the cowling. Looking great!
RAGIII
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Perfectly done Kevin!
I'm sure that the amount of removed plastic is enough to allow even a rotation of the Small Stuff engine.
I do not know, if you have built already a Small Stuff rotary. If not, please check out the following instruction page (the link is also on the manual page):
https://www.smallstuffmodels.com/p/buildinganengine.html
Cheers,
Frank
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You have done an incredible job thinning down the cowling. Looking great!
RAGIII
Thanks RAGIII!
Perfectly done Kevin!
I'm sure that the amount of removed plastic is enough to allow even a rotation of the Small Stuff engine.
I do not know, if you have built already a Small Stuff rotary. If not, please check out the following instruction page (the link is also on the manual page):
https://www.smallstuffmodels.com/p/buildinganengine.html
Cheers,
Frank
Thanks once again, Frank, will study the instructions carefully before I get started. The Small Stuff products are too expensive to waste through avoidable mistakes.
Kevin
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Nice work on thinning the cowl Kevin .
Alexis
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Oh my, there must have been an awful lot of styrene dust floating around after that job! Certainly well worth it for the result.
Cheers,
Hugh
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You did a real nice job on the cowling. It looks so thin now .
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Hello everyone,
Here's a quick update just to show I'm still making some progress on this build.
I have been concentrating on the cockpit. Here it is, a combination of scratch building and some
Tom's Modelworks photo-etch parts.
(https://i.imgur.com/nNttdK4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kFeqXgq.jpg)
This is a big change from working in 1/28th scale like my last build.
Thanks and Happy Modeling,
Kevin
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Hey Kevin , nice to see some progress on this one . Was beginning to think that it got buried ;)
Really nice work on the innards so far , I do like how your seat cushion turned out . Just great stuff !
Alexis
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The seat and the rest of the work look great! That cushion is Gorgeous!
RAGIII
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Nice work on this, Kevin. The inspectors should pass that cowling now.
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That is a really cool looking seat and cushion. Were those in the kit or made from scratch?
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Great work Kevin!
Cheers,
Gary
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Nice furniture for the cockpit!
Cheers,
Frank
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Thanks Everyone for the feedback.
Hey Kevin , nice to see some progress on this one . Was beginning to think that it got buried ;)
Really nice work on the innards so far , I do like how your seat cushion turned out . Just great stuff !
Alexis
Alexis, I'm just working slow and methodically. There are plenty of other kits I'd like to get on with so maybe I'd better pick up the pace.
The seat and the rest of the work look great! That cushion is Gorgeous!
RAGIII
Thanks RAGIII!
Nice work on this, Kevin. The inspectors should pass that cowling now.
Thanks Ken. I hope so, I might have to go a bit thinner. We'll see.
That is a really cool looking seat and cushion. Were those in the kit or made from scratch?
Thanks fredjocko. The seat and belts are from the kit photo-etch set while the cushion is made with 2 part epoxy clay, sculpted to shape and painted.
The rudder bar is from the kit with the foot straps added from fine brass wire. The under seat supports are a combination of Tom's Modelworks
photo-etch and scrap plastic.
Great work Kevin!
Cheers,
Gary
Thanks much, Gary.
Nice furniture for the cockpit!
Cheers,
Frank
Frank, thanks for looking in. You always inspire me with your work.
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How goes the battle on this Kevin ?
Alexis