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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: RLWP on November 15, 2019, 05:16:38 AM
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As those who have spotted my gun mount thread will have guessed, I'm building a Roden DH.2
First off, I wish Des was around, he encouraged me to go Roden and I'd value his input on this kit
Anyway. Page 5 of Datafile 48 has 'An early production DH2 of No. 24 Squadron. It has a Lewis gun with the full cooling case and external magazine racks with narrow slots. Also, being 24 Squadron, it has it's wheels reversed. Oh, and a two blade prop and the fuel tank under the port wing
That's enough different details to hook me:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0035.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0036.JPG)
What is missing is a serial number, has anyone got a suggestion? I'd probably get away with one that was used by 24 Sqn, early production but no known photos
Richard
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All looking rather spiffin' ;)
More please!
von B
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I like that wicker shade, what is it?
Ryan
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Your gun mount and other interior work look great Richard. I will look at what references I have for any help on the serial number.
RAGIII
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I like that wicker shade, what is it?
Ryan
I'll check. It's going to be a Citadel Miniatures acrylic colour of some sort. I like acrylics for this slightly diluted as they seem to settle into the 'gaps'. I have washed it with something brown afterwards
Richard
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Interesting project Richard,looking forward to this.
Cheers,
Dave.
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Your gun mount and other interior work look great Richard. I will look at what references I have for any help on the serial number.
RAGIII
Thank you, that would be a great help
Richard
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Love that weapon ! Fantastic job so far Richard . I was thinking about starting this kit over the winter months after a few other projects so I will be taking note .
Terri
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More bits attached
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0037.JPG)
The WNW Gnome is almost ready to go:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0038.JPG)
I started to make a prop, my stack of laminates is coming apart, so I may scrap this one and use a bit of bass wood instead. What I really need is a two blade pusher prop, it's possible there is one in the WNW DH2 kit
Richard
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I've 'backdated' the magazine racks:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0040.JPG)
Top left is the Roden part. Top right is the Eduard etched part, which nicely represents the later style
I cut the front off the etch and made a new front in brass. That's soldered to the Eduard back and spacers
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0041.JPG)
Richard
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Love it!
Robin :)
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Those little details all add up :o
Nice etch-werks Richard :)
von B
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Yippee another pusher even if it is in the wrong scale!
Super details especially the seat and gun. I also like the drum magazine - extremely good work there.
Stephen.
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All nice work here, Richard. The wicker seat is awesome. I like seeing people personalize their projects with enhanced detailing.
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Fantastic detail and attention given. Looking forward to more.
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The racks are amazing! So far no luck on a photo showing the serial number. Just the same shot of Andrews by the nose you have posted. I will keep looking.
RAGIII
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This is one of the maddest things I've done so far...
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0042.JPG)
Plug leads on the Gnome made from 0.003" keratinous fibre - yes I pulled hairs out of my head to make them
I finished the prop:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0043.JPG)
It'll do, especially when painted
And I closed up the fuselage:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0044.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0045.JPG)
Richard
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Engine, prop and the closed up fuselage all look Stunning! Only a hard core Modeler sacrifices parts of themselves to add details 8)
RAGIII
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Some dressing up on the fuselage:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0046.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0047.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0048.JPG)
I'm so pleased to see those massive attachment points for the cabane struts, otherwise it was going to get a bit scary balancing the top wing on top of twelve toothpicks!
Richard
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Beautiful work, especially that propeller! Is it painted, made out of wood, magically created with a wand? I think it looks really impressive!
/Fredrik
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Beautiful work, especially that propeller! Is it painted, made out of wood, magically created with a wand? I think it looks really impressive!
/Fredrik
It is seven layers of oak veneer (because I had some) glued together to make a block of ply, then carved into shape
I wouldn't recommend oak, the grain is too coarse - I won't use it again
Richard
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Outstanding job on the details Richard :)
Terri
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The workmanship on the prop is outstanding, Richard. Perhaps a stain would de-emphasize the grain.
The belt straps are something you would see holding down the hood of a car of that era!
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The workmanship on the prop is outstanding, Richard. Perhaps a stain would de-emphasize the grain.
The belt straps are something you would see holding down the hood of a car of that era!
It isn't the scale of the grain, it's the weakness of the material that was a problem. I could feel the propeller bending as I worked on it and had to keep varnishing it to stiffen it
The prop will be painted
Richard
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I love this build. It looks fantastic all around. The DH.2 has always been one of my favorite planes of the Great War.
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This looks promising:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0049.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0050.JPG)
Richard
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Very good progress here - the prop in particular is very impressive. The top wing in place also looks good.
Stephen.
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Amazing details and progress Richard! Nice work on the early compass housing. Looks awesome with the wing mounted on the struts!
RAGIII
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OK, a puzzle to solve
The nose looks to be made out of metal, the sides are linen and laced to the nose (and the frame)
What about the bottom of the fuselage? There doesn't seem to be any sort of joint between the bottom and the nose, so is that also made of metal?
Richard
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Hi Richard,
From what I can find:
Nacelle frame - Ash strutted with spruce, except where the wings are attached to the nacelles, where there are steel tubes.
Nacelle bottom - Plywood, braced in the front with wood and cable in the rearmost bay.
Nacelle front and top - Thin aluminium.
Nacelle sides – Doped fabric, braced with steel wire. Heavy landings could damage the nacelle lower longeron immediately above the forward undercarriage leg, so a laced fabric 'inspection' access panel was made on each side of the nacelle.
Mike
(http://www.thatoneplease.co/odds/dh2cockpit.jpg)
(http://www.thatoneplease.co/odds/dh2cockpit2.jpg)
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Nacelle bottom - Plywood, braced in the front with wood and cable in the rearmost bay.
Nacelle front and top - Thin aluminium.
This is the bit that doesn't seem to show up on pictures of the exterior of the aeroplane. I cannot find a picture that shows a joint between the metal front and the base. I can find pictures that seem to show thin material screwed to the longerons
Right, forget that - here's the joint:
(http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/vEF754EA7/www/products/model_kitsets/32028/archive_photos/DH.2%205929%20artillery%20exit%20(0971-020)'.jpg)
From WNW: http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/productdetail?productid=3038&cat=1
You can see where the metal front overlaps the floor
Excellent - I now know how to paint the underside
Richard
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DH Magic!
Love it long time :o
vB
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My representation of the metal to plywood joint:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0060.JPG)
I used the Roden decals, they're scarily brittle and stiff and not happy to settle into the aileron hinge:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0062.JPG)
Some assorted bits:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0063.JPG)
I'm particularly pleased with the pitot/static tube
And the first bit of rigging:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0064.JPG)
Richard
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Those decals do look like a sticky wicket. (Did I say that right?)
Nice details on those parts.
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Well Richard, you have My respect for just getting those decals off of the carrier paper ::) The bits are looking terrific!
RAGIII
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I have read elsewhere that Roden transfers can be pretty thick or just break up: those look as though they are true to form. The detailed parts by contrast look very good indeed.
Stephen.
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This looks like some bizarre flying accident:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0065.JPG)
Thirty odd bits that need to end up as one aeroplane
Richard
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Making quick work with this one Richard , looking fab so far :) On the tail booms how did you attach the rigging lines ?
Terri
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Making quick work with this one Richard , looking fab so far :) On the tail booms how did you attach the rigging lines ?
Terri
It is going surprisingly well, Terri. I wasn't expecting it to
In this picture:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0064.JPG)
The end caps for the struts have two little ears, which I think are meant to represent the anchor points for the wires. To get the wires to run in the right direction, but not attach to the ears, I drilled a hole straight through the strut on the centreline. I can use that to rig wires in adjacent panels
Richard
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Is that mono you're using for rigging material Richard?
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Is that mono you're using for rigging material Richard?
Yes - well invisible thread 'acquired' from my wife's sewing box. It's clear so I usually paint it with Revell steel to make it visible
I'm on the hunt for some smoke coloured thread today
Richard
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Your rigging is starting out well Richard. Looking forward to seeing all of those parts come together.
RAGIII
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Thanks for the reply Richard , it gives me food for thought .
Terri
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Thanks for the reply Richard , it gives me food for thought .
Terri
Especially for you:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0068.JPG)
That was surprisingly hard to photograph - the camera didn't want to autofocus on such a small object
Some more rigging:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0069.JPG)
The parts count briefly went up by one as I removed that curved shield to make cutouts for the rigging underneath. Then it went down by two as I refitted the shield and the cross brace
Richard
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Excellent detailing!
RAGIII
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Looking mighty fine, Richard.
;) ;)
vB
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Parts count is reducing!:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0071.JPG)
And rigging preparation is continuing:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0073.JPG)
Richard
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Super photographs Richard with excellent detail in spite of the camera! This is turning into another of your super builds - and as a bonus it is a pusher!
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How weird, I've got half a rigged aeroplane that doesn't attach to the rest
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0074.JPG)
And down to twenty parts now:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0075.JPG)
Richard
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Go Richard, Go!
It's shaping up nicely.
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quick but well executed work Richard! Looking Fantastic!
RAGIII
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I cannot understand why I didn’t say it before: What a great job on a wonderful pusher. You show us how great a Roden kit can look.
Andreas
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Well, I'm disappointed in you all. No-on spotted that between this:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0065.JPG)
and this:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0075.JPG)
the cockpit gained a linen back behind the seat. It had been bothering me, and I found a picture on the ever useful WNW site:
(http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/vEF754EA7/www/products/model_kitsets/32028/archive_photos/DH.2%20crash%20-%20possibly%20A2609%20detail%20nacelle%20(03).jpg)
Fortunately, it wasn't hard to fix ;D
Richard
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Thanks for the enlarge photo Richard for my aging eyes . Very much appreciated . I really enjoying the work that you are doing on this build . She is look fab so far :)
Terri
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Nice catch on that panel Richard! Something I had not thought about.
RAGIII
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Nice catch on that panel Richard! Something I had not thought about.
RAGIII
It had been bugging me. There, behind the seat was the fuel tank. No structural part of the fuselage - no stretcher across the frame to stiffen it or stop the tank moving. It just seemed very unlikely
So, a bit of research and voila! A fabric panel
Richard
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Richard,
FWIW the Wingnut Kit has a plywood panel there, I just checked my completed one and there it is. The color call out is for Dark Grey or Light Wood so I'd guess the linen version could be inferred from the former color. Obviously like many others different airframes had a variety of differences on the smaller details, in this case your photo doesn't lie!
Lovely work so far, this Kit needs more effort then the competition's version but you are more then meeting that challenge!
Cheers,
Lance
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Lovely work so far, this Kit needs more effort then the competition's version but you are more then meeting that challenge!
Cheers,
Lance
It's a funny thing, Lance. I'm happier chopping about a cheap kit and adding missing details than I am building a more expensive one. Apart from the parts I made, I don't think there has been much more of a challenge than the WNW kit. And I've finished more Roden kits than I have WNW (2 - nil so far)
I'll continue impersonating a demented spider this evening
Richard
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I can certainly relate regarding the "chopping about and adding details" Richard! I'm presently doing an old William's brothers 1:32 Curtiss Sparrow Hawk, a challenge and then some but enjoying the experience a lot! We get spoiled by the incredible quality and engineering of many of the newer products, going back to some "basic old style modeling" is a real treat for a change. That being said I have done several of Roden's 1:32 Line and they are well worth the price and I rate them as being of excellent quality.
Cheers,
Lance
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I'm presently doing an old William's brothers 1:32 Curtiss Sparrow Hawk
Madness!
:D
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Well, I'm disappointed in you all. No-on spotted that between this:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0065.JPG)
and this:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0075.JPG)
the cockpit gained a linen back behind the seat. It had been bothering me, and I found a picture on the ever useful WNW site:
(http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/vEF754EA7/www/products/model_kitsets/32028/archive_photos/DH.2%20crash%20-%20possibly%20A2609%20detail%20nacelle%20(03).jpg)
Fortunately, it wasn't hard to fix ;D
Richard
Either looks great but for the record the AMC D.H.2 (Scout) spare parts booklet lists this item as "Part No. 4241... ...Back for Pilot's Cowl" and it was made from "Ash & 3 Ply". Not linen. This part is also shown as wood in the excellent article in WW1 Aero#146 from 1994.
The spare parts list also confirms "Part No. 4482... ...Flooring" was made from "3 Ply".
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I'll get my paintbrush out
Richard
And thanks for the info on the floor
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Arrgh... I'm going cross-eyed
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0083.JPG)
That's enough threading string through tiny tubes for one night
Richard
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Hi Richard,
Try 'LF Models' - they have many different props,
Mike
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There certainly are a mass of wires! I have to do them one or two at a time to keep My confusion level Down ::)
RAGIII
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Brilliant build with all your fine additions. I like your choice of an early subject.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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There certainly are a mass of wires! I have to do them one or two at a time to keep My confusion level Down ::)
RAGIII
That's the sensible way, and I have used that before.
Brilliant build with all your fine additions. I like your choice of an early subject.
Ciao
Giuseppe
I really like early aeroplanes and am more drawn to those than the late war ones - the D.VII excepted
Richard
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Hopefully, it won't get any worse than this!:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0086.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0087.JPG)
That's all the rigging lines attached at one end
Richard
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OMG! :o
Robin
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That looks interesting. I too like the early machines - primarily because they do have lots of lovely rigging!
Stephen.
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I do hope you give them spiders some time off before the next project .
Terri
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OMG! :o
Robin
Indeed!
RAGIII
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An ol' salt like you can sort that mess out.
I was wondering if the panel behind the seat was linen covered ply? (as opposed to just linen).
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Order is slowly appearing from the chaos
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0088.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0089.JPG)
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Indeed....amazing! ;D
Robin
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Slowly, the knitting is getting done:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0090.JPG)
Should anyone else choose to follow this path, before you cut the thread to make the second turnbuckle, leave the thread long. No, twice as much as that - no, twice as much again.
It is easier if you can rethread the tube (put in the return thread) well away from the model. By pulling a loop out with the tube threaded on, life is much simpler. And thread is cheap
Richard
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Looks a lot less confusing now Richard! You are well on your way to a beautifully rigged DH2.
RAGIII
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Tank installed and piped up:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0098.JPG)
and tail booms installed:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0097.JPG)
Richard
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Nice work on the Tank piping! Your DH2 is really taking shape now. Looks Fantastic!
RAGIII
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Wonderful progress....as if it's easy. :o
Nice!
Robin :)
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Wonderful progress....as if it's easy. :o
Nice!
Robin :)
It is easy - there's just a lot of it so it's also easy to get lost...
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Very nice!
Andreas
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Almost there ;)
Terri
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My list of models to build is growing so rapidly with all the fantastic builds being shown here on this site! I'll never be able to clear that list, but I'm pretty sure that I'll have to get my self a DH.2 now! Very nice work and it's nice to hear about the easy rigging... 😀
/Fredrik
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Fantastic work! the rigging looks perfect and the piping of the tank is really nice.
Bye,
Manni
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Almost there ;)
Terri
And as you well know, a model can be 'almost near' for bloody ages!
;D
Richard
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Almost there ;)
Terri
And as you well know, a model can be 'almost near' for bloody ages!
;D
Richard
No, no idea what you're talking about. Never experienced anything like that! It's probably just you! ;D
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Strung-up like a consummate professional :o
Well done that man!
von B :)
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Nice rigging job, Richard. Did I see it correctly that the line from the tank is run along the flying wire? If so, seems that would result in a lot of line ruptures. ???
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Nice rigging job, Richard. Did I see it correctly that the line from the tank is run along the flying wire? If so, seems that would result in a lot of line ruptures. ???
Yes, and that's how they did it. The pipe was bound to the flying wire. It is that kind of detail that I love
Richard
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Almost there ;)
Terri
And as you well know, a model can be 'almost near' for bloody ages!
;D
Richard
That it can ;D
Terri
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Rigging is really pleasant and the fuel tank and line beautifully detailed.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Been catching up Richard and I continue to be totally impressed by the details that you put into your models- the fuel pipe attached to the line for example. Thanks too for the tip about the return wire and turnbuckle - that could be very useful to me at some point in the future.
Stephen.
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Well, the rigging of the wings and tail is done:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0149.JPG)
One of the things I enjoy about rigging with thread is that it actually works. You can feel the structure stiffening up as each wire is finished
And, she's sprouted wheels too
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0150.JPG)
Richard
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Really, really beautiful!
I'm seriously tempted to get myself a DH. 2... Must not buy more kits... :)
/Fredrik
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Really coming together now! Looks great on the gear!
RAGIII
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Thumbs up Richard , excellent job on the rigging .
Terri
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Rig-Tastic, Richard!
Looking rather splendid :o
vB
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Enough rigging!!
The last bits are done - the aileron control horns. These are the HGW ones with a bit of copper wire flattened and soldered between the two parts of the etch:
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0215.JPG)
That way I can drill a hole in the wing and glue in the peg. Stops the little swine falling off!
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0217.JPG)
And with that, this one is done!
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0220.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0222.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0221.JPG)
(http://www.primrose-engineering.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/dh-2/DSCF0216.JPG)
I must say, I enjoyed this build. Not many tricky bit to correct, there's a lot of rigging yet it can all be broken down into stages. And the result is very pleasing
Richard
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Beautiful!
...and that small bench underneath the tail skid is so cute! :)
Robin
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Beautiful!
...and that small bench underneath the tail skid is so cute! :)
Robin
It is! It comes with the 1/32 Corgi Wright Flyer. I bought one ages ago for £2 at a car boor sale. The bench is usually lying around my workspace. Some day I'll paint it up with paint can marks and streaks
Richard
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Your results are Awesome Richard. Proof that a Great Model can be built from a Mediocre kit with hard work and a lot of skill!
RAGIII
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Beautiful job on your DH-2 Richard . I also noted the spring detail on the flight control lines . Don't think I have even seen this detail added , very nice touch :)
Terri
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Beautiful job on your DH-2 Richard . I also noted the spring detail on the flight control lines . Don't think I have even seen this detail added , very nice touch :)
Terri
It's the kind of silly detail I like. The early DH.2s had that spring to pull the ailerons upwards - the cable linked to the pilots stick pulled them down. Later the spring was replaced with bungee cord, and later still a far more sensible cable linked the ailerons via a couple of pulleys. That cable was supported in the centre by the fuel tank
Many of the early aileron systems used springs or bungees, which is why you get pictures like this:
(http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/FT/FT1934/04/394-1.jpg)
My understanding is the bungees have been released to take the tension off them
Richard