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Offline Suffolk Lad

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Hobby Craft Sopwith Camel
« on: September 03, 2015, 07:18:22 AM »
Hello  :),

I've been modelling aircraft - mainly jets, along with some modern armour - for the last twelve years. Despite those subject choices I've had a love of First War aircraft for many years but this is my first attempt to model something since the early seventies. Then I made, I'm pretty certain, all the available mainstream 1/72 kits at that time - Revell, Airfix, Esci etc. Overseas work occurred around this time and it was all left well behind though not forgotten.

Quite sometime back - have no idea when and certainly on a whim - I bought a 1/72 Roden kit of one of my favourite fighters the Fokker EV/DVlll. Though there was no intention to build it it sparked a desire to add more and slowly a small collection grew adding all those previously made along with some types only dreamed about before, the Siemens Shuckert for instance and some of the 'new' (to me) 1/48 scale. It's not a big collection by any means, none save one were ever intended to be built (Hanriot HD2 float plane) but even that still sits in the box.

When WnW were first released I confess I considered them to be far to expensive but, as time went on with build articles perused in great depth, seeing them at shows and on the net I have finally succumbed to their remarkable charm.

We - my wife that is - have several WW1 Aviation prints around the home. I say we as it's always been a joint decision to buy them. It all began with a Robert Taylor print of Sopwith Camels and grew from there. Since WnW evolution I have harboured the idea that it would be nice to have a small case with two aircraft in on the sideboard below one of the prints. That's my intent at this point though the desire to build others has obviously grown but 'first steps first'

I bought the Hobby Craft Camel quite sometime ago. I  had previously entered one of my jets at Telford and whilst it did not place it was awarded the NeOmega prize which was any item to the value of £20. I chose the Le Rhone 1/32 scale engine thinking of it as an addition to the collection. When I saw the Camel sometime later I bought it to go with it even though it's the Clerget version.

Now it's not exactly a great kit by today's standards but it does appear quite accurate in shape and I've often looked at it with half an eye as to whether to have a go. This site has done more than most in making my mind up !

Enough of the preamble then - it's time to make that first step.



I bought the Windsock book recently, also available was a copy of WW1 Scale Drawings and the Harleyford books I still have from my interest in the sixities.

The wing has very prominent rib tapes and poorly represented riblets - quite thin and not reaching the spar position. At first I considered the rib tapes too wide so it was decided to remove everything right back to the main surface and replace them using masking tape. It was only after they were removed and several studies of the Ian Stair drawings later (particularly the cutaway) I noticed that there are two tapes per rib the top one being 2-1/2 wide which made the kit ones just about right!



A test piece was made from a piece of plastic card moulded to the approximate section of the wing and a trial to see how well the tape would adhere made.



The tape used was Kamoi tape - not used usually for it's intended use as it is a bit more adhesive than Tamiya. The tape was given a swipe with Mek Pak then primed - a quick test that showed promise. It was at this point I found I could not enlarge on the printer by percentage increments which scuppered thoughts of scaling the drawings up so the spacing was drawn to the scaled dimensions.



With the wings devoid of all protrusions the leading edges were added using several coats of primer


Once the test piece was complete the wing was tackled. This went well until it was realised the rib tape coincided with the strut locations  ::) With some of the previously applied tapes now glued on, rather than change the positions which might lead to misalignment it was felt that a slight deviation in tape spacing could be lived with - 'this was after all a test project anyway' Hmm not so sure about that now!



After several thin coats of grey primer to seal the tapes each sanded down with 800 wet and dry paper the top surface was given a good coat of white 'high build' primer to help flare in the riblets and leading edge.


Apart from that spacing issue I was reasonably satisfied with the outcome and felt the extra work was worth it - now the fuselage could be tackled.


That's enough for a first post I'm sure you'd agree but I do have two questions which I hope someone will be able to help with.

The first is - Were roundels applied 'over' a PC10 coating or were they applied direct to the linen. I ask because given the probable opacity of PC10 I can't imagine a roundel would likely be seen through the underside covering if applied over the top of the coating.

The second is - I prefer using Tamiya paint to all other for spraying and do not particularly wish to change products. Can any one say what is considered the nearest colour in their range that approximates PC10.

I have sprayed the wheels today using 'Kahki Drab' - it 'looks right' if a little on the brown side. I'm not looking for the exact shade just a near approximation as a base to start from.

Many thanks in advance - hope that's not too long for a first post.

Regards - Tug








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Re: Hobby Craft Sopwith Camel
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2015, 07:52:54 AM »
Good beginning.
Cheers
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Re: Hobby Craft Sopwith Camel
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2015, 07:57:54 AM »
Outstanding work on the wings! The rib tapes and stringers/false ribs look terrific! As for the PC 10, I used Tamiyas' Khaki Drab( Like You) and a mix of Khaki Drab and XF49 Khaki for some tonal variations. I liked the results.
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Re: Hobby Craft Sopwith Camel
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2015, 08:06:13 AM »
You have done a superb job with the wing ribs Tug, they look very authentic.

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Re: Hobby Craft Sopwith Camel
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2015, 08:18:38 AM »
Thanks Guys - Khaki Drab it is then, I can get a good nights sleep now  ;D. More work on it tomorrow and oh yes, I should get a nice new delivery too  ;)

Regards - Tug

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Re: Hobby Craft Sopwith Camel
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2015, 10:52:33 AM »
Roundels weren't visible through the PC10. Here are a couple of pics of a Camel and BE2 in the IWM, Lambeth. Both are in the same lighting conditions....





Notice that the under wing rib tapes appear lighter with no shadows, when the upper surface is doped PC10, and darker with shadows, with the natural linen finish.

Ian

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Re: Hobby Craft Sopwith Camel
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2015, 02:13:01 PM »
 Tug,
Excellent first progress my friend. I can truly appreciate the work you've done on her wings.I'm looking forward to following this outstanding thread. Since there aren't a lot of these wonderful kit being I'll take the liberty of sharing a link to my Camel from 5 years ago following first stroke.Mine's still not finish yet but hoping to some day.
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Re: Hobby Craft Sopwith Camel
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2015, 08:25:55 AM »
Hello  :)

Thanks for the kind comments and input - most welcome.

I've tried the Khaki Drab on the fuselage this evening RAG but have to say it looks a tad too 'brown' to me for PC10. It's only a light coat so will try a mix with a small amount of Olive Drab tomorrow.

Ian B - my thanks for these two pics which answers my question completely as well as providing good reference for the future.

I've managed a bit more today but had a slight distraction  ;)

A few more pics then .....

The tailplane was treated the same as the wings. All through holes on wings, fuse and tail were filled with plastic rod and levelled off before marking the centres with a .013" - 0.3mm drill.


Attention then turned to the fuselage. After looking at it for quite some time  and trying to work out an 'order of play' I decided to try to build the internal framework up after the fuse sides were glued together, filled and finished off. I've never done this before but felt that the work required on the outside could potentially lead to damage not counting of course the requisite internal masking at some future stage. I'm still not certain how that will pan out but after taping the parts together and trying a few dummy runs it seems viable albeit a mite fiddly.


Having spent far too much time in the past making things that get completely hidden after it's all together I find I don't quite have the drive (or the mental energy) to do the same these days. If it can be seen - or an impression can be given that's about as far as I like to go. No attempt to wood grain the interior was made but I did try painting the wood areas with Tamiya Clear Orange to see what the effect would be. It looks (marginally) better colour-wise than the image does but in hindsight I could have spent a little more time here but felt that as so little of it will be seen it would suffice for this build. The underneath of the dash area got missed but once realised has been repainted. The bars BTW are for locating the fuel tank


Feeling that the fuel tank will just about be seen behind the seat an impression of one was made by squeezing a piece of aluminium tube in a vice until the approx section was reached. This was then covered with .010 plastic card. The small bar on each side is for location when fitting out the internals.


Once glued together the strut positions were masked off and the defined areas then scraped and sanded to give an impression of fabric laid over a frame. The top stringers were masked one section at a time and also treated this way.




The stitching - a plain raised bead on the kit part was replaced with Eduard etch and the holes for the filler caps drilled and sanded to size


A semblance of wrinkling was put in with a riffler file and the step defined by scraping with a scalpel point and a hinge added from sprue


Although happy with the way the stitching had gone on there was something not quite right about it. Looking through one of the Harleyford books for info on the engine I found some very detailed drawings of the correct stitching. Fortunately an example was on the same sheet of etch so it was replaced


At last it was ready for some primer......


..... and with a final coat over the wings the major parts were ready for the next phase


I'll call that it for now, thanks again for your comments - keep them coming, good or bad they are always valuable in the learning process.

Oh yes that 'distraction'? Well after paying the VAT and handling charge yesterday Parcel Force delivered my first Wingnuts purchased from NZ. I took advantage of their specials and bought the SE5A which made for the usual pleasant interlude as the sprues were examined. The kit in total cost me £63.65. I live quite near Hannants who sell them at a standard rate of £69, £79 and £99 - pound per dollar. My club gets a small discount which means I was out of pocket by 65p - I guess that'll do me ;)

Regards - Tug

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Re: Hobby Craft Sopwith Camel
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2015, 08:45:57 AM »
Your progress on the Camel is forging ahead beautiful, the fuselage interior turned out extremely well and the treatment on the sides of the fuselage is very well done, this is going to be an excellent looking Camel once completed.

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Re: Hobby Craft Sopwith Camel
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2015, 08:55:58 AM »
Your progress on the Camel is forging ahead beautiful, the fuselage interior turned out extremely well and the treatment on the sides of the fuselage is very well done, this is going to be an excellent looking Camel once completed.

Des.

I agree 100% with Des! I think you are on the way to one of the better Hobbycraft Camel builds I have seen!
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Re: Hobby Craft Sopwith Camel
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2015, 08:58:22 AM »
 Tug,
You're well on your way to one excellent camel my friend. Outstanding update.
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Re: Hobby Craft Sopwith Camel
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2015, 12:46:36 PM »
   Nice work Tug! You have a real winner coming here, the details you are adding are spectacular!
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Re: Hobby Craft Sopwith Camel
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2015, 01:43:07 PM »
I really like what you did with the fuselage exterior.

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Re: Hobby Craft Sopwith Camel
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2015, 03:30:53 PM »
Excellent progress, Tug. This is coming along beautifully.

Best wishes
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Re: Hobby Craft Sopwith Camel
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2015, 05:34:37 PM »
Tug-Tastic!  ;D
Lovely attention to detail. This will be a Camel of special magnificence!

Keep those updates coming.

Von B  ;)



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