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Online Alexis

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Commission work
« on: November 14, 2014, 11:45:15 AM »
I have never done this short of thing , but I was approached on some work to build two bell helos that a gentlemen work on in the army . He has seen my work and is impressed with the job I did on a Bell Cobra gunship . He will supply the paint and wants them built out of box , no detailing .

How much does one charge for this ? And what to watch out for ...



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Re: Commission work
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2014, 12:32:35 PM »
Hi, Terri,

Let me play devil's advocate, as I have some experience with commission work and my whole art career is based on collectors.  So please forgive me if I ask what seem like elementary questions.

First thought: If I didn't have to sell my art work, I  would still make my art because it is who I am. I am incredibly fortunate to be able to sell it. And generally, if someone wants to commission something, it's because they already know the sort of work I do so it is right in line. BUT, if the client is a jerk, I run in the opposite direction as fast as I can. Getting involved with a whacko or problematic client is the fastest way to begin to resent ones hobby/art. I have learned that the hard way. Not to sound jaded but, to you a build is a reflection of who you are, to them it is a commodity.

Having someone ask to commission a piece, or two, is a huge compliment to your skills as a hobby-artist. So congratulations for that. But, accept the compliment and then ask yourself, "do I need to build these helos for this gent?"

Continuing the devil's advocate theme......we know from your Cobra Gunship that you like doing Helos, but, do you like doing helos enough that you want to do two more and two which will not then sit on your shelf next to your great S-S, etc.? Would you rather be building a Pfalz and then do another helo for yourself when you get the urge to? Is it worth the time away from building what you really want to be building? Is this gent going to pay you enough to make up for that time and, more importantly, enough to be worthy of your level of artistry?  A lot of people assume that since we build models for the love it, we'd just as soon build them for anyone....

Please don't think that I am a greedy New Yorker. If anything, I am far too generous in my pricing. But, long ago, I did quite a lot of aircraft model building commission work and it really took the joy out of the hobby for me. Interestingly, I ended up doing architectural model building as a job and that was a blast.....because it was interesting and challenging and improved my skills....and it had nothing to do with subjects I loved. That ended up being a huge difference.

OK...this is turning into a sermon but I have just been dealing with a young friend who was in this exact same position and came away very sad. I would hate for that to happen to you. Your energy is a light on this site and I know the gang would be sad for that light to be dimmed in any way.

BUT..on the other hand, if you think you'd get a kick out of building the kits for the gent and you feel it would be worth the time taken, then, by all means, go for it! Just show us pictures when you're finished.

Go, the mass is ended.

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Father Michael...who's really a Protestant.

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Re: Commission work
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2014, 12:57:12 PM »
Interesting comments Michael. I have never modelled for commission because my modelling time is precious and I need to model for myself first and foremost. The money I could earn from modelling is probably small compared to using the time to achieve more at work (if I needed extra money which I don't).

It must be very flattering to receive an offer like that Terri. But then you hand over the model and its gone. Maybe your situation is different...
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Re: Commission work
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2014, 02:32:16 PM »
I'm leaning heavily on the side of Michael and Jamo on this one, sis.  Our time is valuable to us.  You know this better than most.  That said, if you really are unsure what to do, then price yourself out of the job.  Then, if your prospective client still wants the work done, at least you'll be richly rewarded and deservedly so.
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Re: Commission work
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2014, 03:01:16 PM »
Very good advice has been given here Terri, but ultimately the final decision will be yours. From experience I would not touch commission work, not unless I was paid very handsomely.

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Re: Commission work
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2014, 12:11:40 AM »
Terri,
     I've only done it twice, both times for free as a personal favour, and in the end I resented the situation and the model! The only situation I'd personally consider would be some sort of charity/good cause thing such as a Museum Donation or something for a deserving organisation like a Military Group or Association etc. I strongly agree with the Guys; save yourself a lot of angst! As Michael has stated with great insight, don't take the joy out of the Hobby.
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Re: Commission work
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2014, 08:38:01 AM »
I have built two railway models as commissions (WW1 40HP Simplex petrol 'tractors') and whilst I was initially flattered that someone thought my work was good enough that they'd be willing to pay for a model made by me the whole thing left me with mixed feelings about it and I'm now very doubtful that I'd ever do it again.

Firstly, I felt under pressure to make the very best job of it that I could and model-making is supposed to be about relaxation, not stress (there's enough of that in life!).

Secondly, I kept on wondering if I'd undersold my services, which made me wonder if I was being taken advantage of somehow.

All in all I didn't enjoy the builds one bit, in fact they became a chore (because of the above mentioned factors, not because there was anything wrong with the kits or subjects, I might add). I can't really offer advice on how to price the job but think very carefully about taking the job on at all. Jamo's words about time being precious are wise ones...

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Re: Commission work
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2014, 10:27:07 AM »
Well Terri, Believe it or not my skills were once desirable as a commission builder  8) I built a large number of models for one customer and a bunch for  other individuals. In the end I couldn't justify time vs Money let alone what I wasn't working on of my own. That being said here is a formula I used: OUT of The Box. 3 to 4 times the kit price.  I built an ME262( Hasegawa) in 1/32nd that the customer wanted detailed, opened engine access panels, nose guns etc. I ended up getting about $325.00 but probably spent 50 hours. So how much was it worth? This was in the 90s'. So in general I agree with the others. Really depends on how quick you can knock out an OOB Chopper and still keep the quality you and the client want. I Wouldn't do it now though, NO TIME ::)
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Re: Commission work
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2014, 10:35:02 AM »
OK, I'll throw in my two kopecks too. I'm no kind of modeler. In the last few years I've only finished one, and managed to mess up four to five more beyond my skill level to fix, but that's another story.
For almost thirty years off and on, I had what was not so much a hobby as it was an avocation. Providence, God, etc. smiled on me, and allowed me to turn my avocation into a vocation at one of the top historic sites in the U.S. I was fortunate to get to work there for over two years, and they were the most rewarding of my professional/work life. However, once I collected the first paycheck, it was no longer something I did for enjoyment, I did it for work, and to be honest, during that time, I had to find something else to do as a "hobby". I've had other friends who turned their hobby/avocation into a paying job, and almost all had the same experience as me.
Two helos, no big deal, BUT it could morph into a larger gig. That's up to you.

FWIW, YMMV,

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Re: Commission work
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2014, 10:57:11 AM »
You all have very sound advice and raised many points which need to be taking into consideration . First off I'm not overly comfortable with it . It's not the fear of having the skills , but the finally project being presented and getting rejected because well they're jerks in the end . Not saying all folks are like that , people are funny creatures at times .

My time is very precious when time at the bench . I get lost in my own little world having fun at what I love . I sure don't want that joy to be taking away . A hobby should never be a chore . This is one of the reason why I turned down a offer to make the master for a resin kit of the Fe-8 I built a few years back . Not something I really want to do or get into . This would be a chore .


Thank-you guy's for your feedback .


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Re: Commission work
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2014, 03:35:58 PM »
art is created by an artist that is inspired to create it. your models are great because you were into the subject and it was for you to keep and enjoy. when i did some commissions(only a few mind you) it was always work not fun like the stuff i do for myself. i ended up becoming anti-motivated to the point where i really had to force myself to complete the projects. and actually one time i didnt complete it and i was and am still uncomfortable about that. i dont like doing commisions. it might be for some folks but t wasnt for me.

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Re: Commission work
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2014, 08:38:33 AM »
Scoot , thanks for your feed back as well .


Not worth the head ache and I turned out the project . I'm just going to keep building for me !





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Body and life is a vessel we use to travel the planet . Femininity is the gift , The miracle comes from what we do with it .