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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #195 on: November 28, 2014, 10:34:28 AM »
The point is, Bob, that there were two versions of rigging on Salmsons. Early examples had the wing cellule rigged with double wires (both landing and flying) and these had slats. Late version was double flying wires, single landing wires. These had no slats but had those drop-shaped spacers at the crossing points. The aircraft Chris is modelling had the earlier version...

I will concede that you are probably right. However, I see it coming down to two points....

First, is there some indication in the decal sheets -- as he used non-kit decals -- that would give someone that information? In my case, I have lots of books with details about Panzer III's but basically nothing about WWI aircraft, so if I were to build this I would be doing it from the kit instructions.....

Second, I believe that there is a point where you don't sweat the small stuff and do what you feel comfortable with. However, this is a personal choice and I don't second guess the way others build..... I just enjoy the photos. But then I am a firm believer if painting it pink with Hello Kitty stickers makes you happy with your model.... then my only question is what shade of pink are you going to use?

I am not arguing against putting as much detail as you can in your models.... I have over a year in my present model and figure on at least another one before it is done.... I am just saying that while it might be correct to do something (such as the slats) if you don't feel comfortable then don't. However, I do believe that yourself and others have offered very valid constructive criticism/suggestions and as such should be applauded. Receiving helpful comments along the way is definitely one of the benefits of posting your builds to a community of people that share your interests and do so in a friendly manner..... and this is one of the best forums I have read in that regard...

Just my 2 cents.... however, the more important questions are..... Will Chris put the slats on the aircraft? and just how the heck will he accomplish it if he does?

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #196 on: November 28, 2014, 11:15:37 AM »
On one hand there's:

"Camelot!
Camelot!
CAMELOT!

It's only a model."  (apologies to the MP fans)

Then there's:  "It's your model, you paid for it, and it's your time going into it. You do it up in the manner that suits you." 

You know one reason I have over five half-finished models on the shelf?  I hit a snag where my desire for everything being right conflicted with my talent and skill set. I approached my model building the same way I did my reenacting: every single thing had to be "just so".

At some point, compromise may be the only alternative.

Just my two kopecks,

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #197 on: November 28, 2014, 12:22:11 PM »
You know one reason I have over five half-finished models on the shelf? 

Only five!!???!!!  :)

Wish I could say that.... add a zero to that and I might be approaching that. Oh well, I have fun and 50 years from now who will know?  ;)

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #198 on: November 28, 2014, 12:44:35 PM »
The wood filled wires if done well certainly add realism and would be terrific. There was a thread in the hints and tips section, also covered in a Nieuport 28 build. I think the final solution was using decal cut to length and just wide enough to wrap around the wires. Personally I opted not to on my 28 because I felt like it was just as likely I would FUBAR my rigging. So I am sort of with Bob on this. Only You can decide. I think your rigging is awesome as is, as I stated earlier.
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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #199 on: November 28, 2014, 12:45:39 PM »
Bob,
       I have to confess to not having hit a lick at a snake since 2006. I quit my job to go to grad school and get my teacher's license. (BIG mistake, but that's another story for another time.) In any event, teaching has kept me so busy since then that everything has lain dormant, but I hope to change that this winter, and hopefully I'll finish something, or even a few things!  Hope springs eternal you know.

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #200 on: November 28, 2014, 03:46:54 PM »
Bob,
       I have to confess to not having hit a lick at a snake since 2006. I quit my job to go to grad school and get my teacher's license. (BIG mistake, but that's another story for another time.) In any event, teaching has kept me so busy since then that everything has lain dormant, but I hope to change that this winter, and hopefully I'll finish something, or even a few things!  Hope springs eternal you know.

Warren

A teacher huh??? Well, to quote Kipling..... You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #201 on: November 28, 2014, 04:00:11 PM »
Hello to all,
I confirm, when you begin as a teacher, there's a lot of work. And later, you spend a lot of time in preparation and correction. I worked in primary school for 10 years.
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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #202 on: November 28, 2014, 05:16:42 PM »
Dal Gavan gave a pretty good description on how he acheived the slatted twin wires, here is the link for those who are interested; 

http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=2979.0

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #203 on: November 28, 2014, 06:44:29 PM »
Dear me... I do not want to force anybody to do anything with their models. We are free to model as well as we wish. My previous remark was meant only to bring some information about the rigging on Salmsons, which btw comes from the WNW instruction! Any body can use it or not...
Chris, you are doing a spectacular job, and I am sorry I caused a discussion not too stricktly related to your model.
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Spectacular modelling Chris
« Reply #204 on: November 28, 2014, 09:47:06 PM »
Hi Chris

Apologies for being late to this build thread Chris but I'm in awe of your Salmson which is just spectacular! World class work without question and your engine is just jaw-droppingly good!

Well done Sir!

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #205 on: November 28, 2014, 09:53:39 PM »


The point is, Bob, that there were two versions of rigging on Salmsons. Early examples had the wing cellule rigged with double wires (both landing and flying) and these had slats. Late version was double flying wires, single landing wires. These had no slats but had those drop-shaped spacers at the crossing points. The aircraft Chris is modelling had the earlier version...

Sorry for sidetracking the build log into diferent direction again, but how are the things regarding the japanise version? From the mentioned above, I think that they shoud be of the late type but is there information regarding this?
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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #206 on: November 28, 2014, 09:59:09 PM »
Ssasho, the WNW instruction is not specific in this case. But looking at the photos of Japanese examples I would rather choose the early version with doubly double rigging and slats (I am not going to say I would manage to do slats, I am overjoyed that my chosen subject has the late British version  ;)). Why would Japanese use early version, I cannot explain but to me this version is quite visible in the photos.
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Re: Spectacular modelling Chris
« Reply #207 on: November 28, 2014, 10:39:49 PM »
Hi Chris

Apologies for being late to this build thread Chris but I'm in awe of your Salmson which is just spectacular! World class work without question and your engine is just jaw-droppingly good!

Well done Sir!

cheers

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+1.  Beautiful work Chris!  You are creating a gorgeous aircraft here. ;D

Cheers & huzzas,

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #208 on: December 01, 2014, 11:14:19 AM »
Ssasho, the WNW instruction is not specific in this case. But looking at the photos of Japanese examples I would rather choose the early version with doubly double rigging and slats (I am not going to say I would manage to do slats, I am overjoyed that my chosen subject has the late British version  ;)). Why would Japanese use early version, I cannot explain but to me this version is quite visible in the photos.

Przemol,

I don't think Chris will mind me heading off topic once again.... I don't know if you got my attempt to message you the information below, I suspect I screwed it up. Anyway, I have the following about the Salmson in Japan.... hopefully it will be of some help to you.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8YvcXf5g7zwVl8tM3h2TXNSS2M&usp=sharing

The information is from a book entitled Japanese Aircraft 1910-1941 by Robert C Mikesh and Shorzoe Abe. Definitely some odd aircraft....

Again, I hope something in this is of help.
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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #209 on: December 02, 2014, 03:45:09 AM »
I see the push is to do the slats. However, to balance the scale a bit I did some counting. There are 40 archive photos on the WnW site, 27 of them show the rigging well enough that I could figure out if they had the slats or not. Now, I will admit that I did not try to determine if the photos were of the same aircraft. The thing is that 15 showed the slats and 12 didn't.... so it would appear that you have a good chance of being right whichever you decide.

I like Bob's reasoning here as it makes me feel content with my decision not to add slats to my Salmson. I'm more than happy to leave the rigging 'as is' as I like how it looks. Maybe it's not historically accurate but I'm okay with that.

I've managed to add the tail feathers to the model and I have one word of caution to those who are thinking of building the kit. To make the job a bit easier, loosely rig the control horns for the rudder before installing it. it's a tight fit between the horns and the tail plane and this makes it a bit easier to do. Thanks to MGunns for that tip.

I used single lengths of monofilament for the double rudder bracing lines and tensioned them as I worked my way around the tail plane. Thanks also to gcn who recommended using Vallejo Model Air Metallics (Silver) for painting the lines. I mixed a bit of flow enhancer with it and it brushed on perfectly. I'd say better than Mr. Color lacquer as it doesn't dry so quickly. I'm sold on it now.





You'll also want to be careful with the underside tail plane bracing struts as they can interfere with the bracing lines. There's a slight undercut next to the tip of the strut where you have to thread the forward line through. Too much glue there and the line won't run straight.





I'm getting close to the end now!

Cheers,

Chris
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