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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #180 on: November 24, 2014, 11:59:54 AM »
.... I always approach these rigged aircraft as being just one small step away from total disaster.

Seem to remember a couple mud crawling beasties that you would have said the same thing about, and yet, you always pull it out in the end. Have seen you take that step towards disaster, dive head long toward the ground only to pull out close enough you end up with daisies in your teeth.... so to speak modeling wise. I don't see this one being any different..... as long as you keep missing the ground.....

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #181 on: November 24, 2014, 02:02:53 PM »
Chris,
Just an ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC job in the rigging! Stunning results!
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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #182 on: November 24, 2014, 02:06:56 PM »
The rigging is excellent, as is the rest of this model, Chris.

Are you going to attempt to put slats on the double wires?

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #183 on: November 24, 2014, 02:18:22 PM »
Really great, neatly done rigging, Chris.  Beautiful work!

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #184 on: November 24, 2014, 11:33:19 PM »
Excellent work, superb paint and beautiful rigging. You made a first classe Salmson
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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #185 on: November 24, 2014, 11:38:04 PM »
Are you going to attempt to put slats on the double wires?

I've been toying with the idea Bo but frankly, I'm not at all sure that I can pull it off. Any and all suggestions on how to approach the job are most welcome.

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #186 on: November 27, 2014, 08:03:38 AM »
I always approach these rigged aircraft as being just one small step away from total disaster.

Well, no sooner did I say that than a major mistake identified by PrzemoL came to light. Luckily for me, he's been following my build and he noticed that I had painted the tailplane improperly by including a colour that wasn't actually there.



When you look at the colour scheme in the instruction booklet, you can see that I misinterpreted what must be a shadow from the rudder as being a camouflage colour.



In defence of WnW, there is no colour call-out for that colour patch and it overlaps the black patch, so hindsight being 20/20, now it jumps right out at me as a shadow. However, to simplify things for boobs like me, I'd prefer to see simple drawings which only show the camouflage colours so there's absolutely no doubt what is required.

There was nothing for it but to head back to the windshield washer dunk tank to strip off the finish and start all over again. Unfortunately though, it was just too much for my assistant Jenny.



This time I think I have it right and I'm ready to move forward again.



Thanks for taking the time to let me know about my mistake PrzemoL. It's not easy to bring a problem to the attention of another modeller but I sure do appreciate the fact that you did, as it enabled me to fix it before it was too late.

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Chris
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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #187 on: November 27, 2014, 08:32:45 AM »
Chris, now I can breathe deeply and sleep quietly. I am relieved to see that my inquisitiveness led to a happy final. Your repair went perfectly! Glad to see it!

But it is interesting how the WNW instructions for their both versions of Salmson models differ in this respect. If you look into the French/Japanese kit instruction and the French colour schemes you will see that there is a double indication for the colour "k" on the right hand side tailplane, pointing at the shaded and not shaded areas! Pity they missed it in the American version.
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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #188 on: November 27, 2014, 10:02:17 AM »
Glad to see that Jenny is taking it in her stride......  ;D ::) :P
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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #189 on: November 27, 2014, 10:57:01 AM »
Are you going to attempt to put slats on the double wires?

I've been toying with the idea Bo

Can someone please tell the new guy (me) what you're referring to as "slats".

I also applaud your determination to Get It Right, Chris. Hell, I'd have just rubbed some dirt on it, as they say in Football.

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #190 on: November 27, 2014, 01:53:13 PM »
Similar to those on this Nieuport 28. Doubled flying wires have a thin piece of wood placed between them usually secured with fabric tape.

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #191 on: November 27, 2014, 08:03:42 PM »
Similar to those on this Nieuport 28. Doubled flying wires have a thin piece of wood placed between them usually secured with fabric tape.

This is going to be a challenge to be represented, I will be watching with interest, how are you going to manage it and steal the idea later on!

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #192 on: November 28, 2014, 01:15:19 AM »
Similar to those on this Nieuport 28. Doubled flying wires have a thin piece of wood placed between them usually secured with fabric tape.

This is going to be a challenge to be represented, I will be watching with interest, how are you going to manage it and steal the idea later on!

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Sasho

I had a friend who did this on a 1/72nd scale SPAD, you can do it!  ;) :D ;D

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #193 on: November 28, 2014, 08:05:23 AM »
Similar to those on this Nieuport 28. Doubled flying wires have a thin piece of wood placed between them usually secured with fabric tape.

This is going to be a challenge to be represented, I will be watching with interest, how are you going to manage it and steal the idea later on!

Best regards,
Sasho

I had a friend who did this on a 1/72nd scale SPAD, you can do it!  ;) :D ;D

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I see the push is to do the slats. However, to balance the scale a bit I did some counting. There are 40 archive photos on the WnW site, 27 of them show the rigging well enough that I could figure out if they had the slats or not. Now, I will admit that I did not try to determine if the photos were of the same aircraft. The thing is that 15 showed the slats and 12 didn't.... so it would appear that you have a good chance of being right whichever you decide.

The other thing that I noticed is that when there was no slat there was a pin at the intersection of the rigging that would work to separate the various wires. So, if you decide not to show the slats I would think that you could show the pins fairly easily.

The thing is that I would almost think it would be a lot easier to do the slats before you do the rigging by making the slats/rigging as one piece and using the eyelets/turnbuckles to adjust them into place and tension. On the other hand, I have only built one biplane and it didn't have doubled wires.... so what do I know?

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Re: Salmson 2-A2 24th Aero Squadron USAS - 1/32 WnW
« Reply #194 on: November 28, 2014, 09:09:16 AM »
I see the push is to do the slats. However, to balance the scale a bit I did some counting. There are 40 archive photos on the WnW site, 27 of them show the rigging well enough that I could figure out if they had the slats or not. Now, I will admit that I did not try to determine if the photos were of the same aircraft. The thing is that 15 showed the slats and 12 didn't.... so it would appear that you have a good chance of being right whichever you decide.

The other thing that I noticed is that when there was no slat there was a pin at the intersection of the rigging that would work to separate the various wires. So, if you decide not to show the slats I would think that you could show the pins fairly easily.

The thing is that I would almost think it would be a lot easier to do the slats before you do the rigging by making the slats/rigging as one piece and using the eyelets/turnbuckles to adjust them into place and tension. On the other hand, I have only built one biplane and it didn't have doubled wires.... so what do I know?

Bob  :o

The point is, Bob, that there were two versions of rigging on Salmsons. Early examples had the wing cellule rigged with double wires (both landing and flying) and these had slats. Late version was double flying wires, single landing wires. These had no slats but had those drop-shaped spacers at the crossing points. The aircraft Chris is modelling had the earlier version...
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