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Offline Ssasho0

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Gotha GVa - Roden 1:72
« on: May 05, 2014, 09:14:35 PM »
Hello,

this is my new project, Roden's unfamous Gotha GVa/GVb. The main issues I identified at the start are the terrible lozenge decals provided by Roden, the non perfect fit and some inaccuracies that have to be ammended. The issue I wasn't able to identify in advance was the wrong sprue D that was in my box. For some reason I have the Gotha GII/GIII's sprue D and not the one for GVa/GVb :-/. I send Roden an e-mail, but for now there is no answer and with the current situation in Ukraine, I'm not sure that there will be an answer at all. 
Here comes my first question to anyone that have the same kit - can you please post a picture of part 10, spue D and some dimensions? More speciffically the dimensions of the plates that are under the engines, as this are the part that I miss! I will probably have to scratch it, but as it is fairly simple shape I suppose it won't be too hard. Here is a picture of what I have and what there should be according to the instructions:


I really like Gotha GVa 723/17 with the white dragon on the side and this will be the bird, that I will try to recreate.



The next pictures show the content of the kit, the PART PE and the terrible decals. My initial plan was to get decals from Doug Bauman (unsuccesfully for now) or buy Orion models Gotha Decals (sold out) or use 5 colour AVIATTIC lozenge and darken it with dark blue or similar colour. There is plenty of time until I get to this stage so I'm not in a hurry - will give Doug a month to answer my e-mail and then will proceed as I necessary.
As I haven't built anything in 1:72 for more than a year, I decided to start with the engines, as they are more or less similar to the DIII engines and this will help me "feel"the kit and the build and overcome the "1:72 rustiness". I will built the two engines one by one and not simultaniously, as I plan to detail the second one a little bit more and if I like it, to open the nascelle and expose it.
The work on the first engine is close to the end, the work on the nascelle itself is also almost done. The engine was not fitting inside at all, but this is somethign minor and was easily amended. The next step is to scratch the engine bearers for the second engine and detail the engine itself. Speaking of this, I would liek to ask for a diagram or pictures of the engine stand and soemthing that looks like oil tank and or/diagram of the whole thing? I have collected pictures from books or over the net but anything extra to ake the concept clearer will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance for hte help and best regards,
Sasho










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Offline vincentm

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Re: Gotha GVa - Roden 1:72
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2014, 11:54:41 AM »
Very interesting build and nice start with the engines. Even when it's calm in Ukraine, it's pretty hard to get an answer from Roden or ICM about missing or wrong parts. See if a local retailer couldn't get spare parts for you from US distributors, you have better chances.

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Re: Gotha GVa - Roden 1:72
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2014, 04:29:35 AM »
Hope this helps, pics of the top and bottom of sprue D, part 10, from the Gotha Va/b kit.

Dimensions? Hmm...
I measure the chord as very slightly over 24mm, and the overall width of the part, 71.5mm. But you asked about the 'plates under the engines'. These seem to be just under 12mm wide, and as I said, a tad more than 24mm front to back. If you forced me to be more precise as regards those 'slightly overs', I'd say a quarter of a millimetre each time.

Looking forward to more postings of your build of this kit :)
Mark

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Re: Gotha GVa - Roden 1:72
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2014, 05:01:43 AM »
Thank you very much Mark,

If I doesn't receive my replacement sprue D for Roden, I will be using those dimensions to scratch the missing part.
Meanwhile the first nascelle is nearly ready, but I'm fighting with the radiator fit atm and then painting.
More photos when I have something to show

Best regards,
Sasho
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Re: Gotha GVa - Roden 1:72
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2014, 11:04:42 AM »
Sasho,
A great beginning to what I am sure will be a fantastic build as always from your bench! I am looking forward to your progress.
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Re: Gotha GVa - Roden 1:72
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2014, 11:08:50 AM »
You have made a very good start Sasho, the engine looks excellent. I hope you get a reply from Roden, they can be a bit slow though.

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Re: Gotha GVa - Roden 1:72
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2014, 11:29:58 AM »
I received brilliant service from Roden when I received a kit with the wrong sprue; got a lovely postcard from Olga and a replacement no questions asked. Of course this was before the recent unpleasantness....

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Re: Gotha GVa - Roden 1:72
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2014, 11:50:35 AM »
I received brilliant service from Roden when I received a kit with the wrong sprue; got a lovely postcard from Olga and a replacement no questions asked. Of course this was before the recent unpleasantness....

I also have had the same great service in the Past and often without a reply. Just got the package and the Regards from Kiev Postcard from Olga! I hope all is well at Roden!
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Re: Gotha GVa - Roden 1:72
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2014, 04:06:57 PM »
Hello sasho. Like Bo and RAGIII I have found the service provided by Olga at Roden to be excellent and very friendly - even when having to say that the fault has been at my end, not theirs.

Best wishes
Nigel

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Re: Gotha GVa - Roden 1:72
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2014, 09:06:23 PM »
Great work on the engine, Sasho.  Hopefully the replacement parts will
be with you soon.

Cheers,
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Re: Gotha GVa - Roden 1:72
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2014, 09:04:43 AM »
About Roden, I just watched the boxes in my stack and they seem to be located in the capital-city of Kyiv, which is in the western part of the country, not in the eastern area where there's trouble. However, stocks of Roden kits at the european whole-sellers are rather low. Hoping it's not going to get worse.

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Re: Gotha GVa - Roden 1:72
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2014, 10:48:57 AM »
Beautiful work on the engines, SsashoO. I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of this.... good luck with the spares!

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Re: Gotha GVa - Roden 1:72
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2014, 01:52:16 AM »
The engine is very well done Sasho.
Martin

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Re: Gotha GVa - Roden 1:72
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2014, 08:47:29 AM »
It just so happens SsashoO that I have one of these kits which I started about a year ago and has since sat on the floor of my room in its box - I do not seem to be able to motivate myself to build a kit at the moment. I intend to follow this build and will openly and unashamedly use some of your ideas when I do finally get around to it. One reason why I had stopped was the issue of the lozenge transfers (decals): like you I fancy the dragon insignia, and I had thought(?) of hand painting the lozenges…… However if you have any luck in getting transfers I would be very interested too as I am not into masochism.
An excellent start on the engines - that is a standard I will struggle to achieve.

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Re: Gotha GVa - Roden 1:72
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2014, 11:49:35 AM »
IMO, hand-painting lozenges on a 1/72 model is probably impossible, at least if you plan to get something accurate. A good workaround is home-printing your own lozenges if you have damaged the decal sheets or can't find the kind of lozenges you need. I print lozenges on Experts Choice clear decal which suits very well for this purpose as it is strong and sticks very well to the surface details.