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Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« on: October 03, 2013, 12:32:16 PM »

So this is my first biplane ever, very kindly donated by Trackpad. I've always worked in 1/72, so no fear there, but never on something quiiiite this small, and never on a pre-WWII subject. So I'm a little nervous. Also, I'm aware the D.VII from Roden has something of a reputation, especially w/r/t the wing/fuselage fit, so you can imagine my trepidation. On the plus side, I have lots of excuses in my hop pocket for when I inevitably screw this up, and I was never a terrific modeller to begin with, so my internal bar is set low, low, low.



As you can sort of see from my lousy cell phone photo, Trackpad kindly has already begun the interior with some lozenge decalling; a good thing, too, as I would never have even guessed that was needed, nor did I have any on hand. Going by a cockpit photo from the Air and Space Museum, it seems the supporting structure is painted a light grey, so I used some Light Ghost Gray that was onhand, and it's totally unnoticeable. Perfect. I also got started on the engine. It's so tiny and perfect! Also hideous. The Germans have never been able to manufacture a nice-looking aero engine.


I've been itching to try the whole oil paint wood effect thing I see so often here, and fortunately virtually everyone in my family but me is an artist of some sort, so I was able to score some oil paints and mineral spirits, neither of which I've used before. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that mineral spirits and mineral water have nothing whatsoever in common!


As you can see, I got started on the cockpit floor and the instrument panel. For right now, I'm sort of blundering along.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2013, 02:52:01 PM by Procopius »
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Re: Procopius Build a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2013, 12:39:50 PM »
Diving in with both feet! Good luck with the build!

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Re: Procopius Build a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2013, 01:24:29 PM »
You're obviously enjoying this and that's the main thing! This kit is notorious for its lower wing "fit", good luck with that! I use a very simple method for wood grain in 1:72 - a base coat of CDL (or darker if a darker wood is required), then a "wash" of partly stirred leather using a flat brush. It works a treat! Not too overdone, which can be a problem when working this small.

Ian
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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2013, 04:11:25 PM »
You are making a good start, looking forward to seeing you progress with this build.

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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2013, 04:44:46 PM »
Great to see you plunge into the business seriously! But do not worry too much. The kit has indeed a reputation but the said joint is relatively easy to fix, just a couple of moves with a modelling knife to widen the gap between the lower wings and it is over. While building the kit my bigger worry was to correct the geometry of the interplane N-struts. When built as they are, they lean the upper wing too much forward.
Anyway - fine start and... go on! Enjoy!
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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2013, 01:47:29 AM »
Welcome to WWI aircraft modeling!  Great selection for your first build.  I'm looking forward to following along.
Cheers,
Bud
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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2013, 10:04:05 AM »
Nice pick for a first.

The major issues in that model have been already pointed so you'll be fine. Have fun!

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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2013, 11:59:33 AM »
You've made a good start, Procopius.  Thanks for sharing with us.

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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2013, 01:12:35 PM »
I'm at a loss for words.

Well, that's not true. I have a few words I'd like to use repeatedly in this situation, but I'm not sure of the board's stance on sustained and creative obscenity. If F-Bombs were radioactive, than right now northern Illinois would be a blasted wasteland, incapable of sustaining human life. They weren't even swears of rage, after a while, just of weary, disbelieving defeat. How could one kit be so terribly designed? How could any caring person write or allow to be written a set of instructions that appear to be a willful and deliberate attempt to mislead and obfuscate?

The wings don't fit. That I knew. I had no idea how profoundly and relentlessly they didn't fit, and how it utterly defied correction. The cockpit interior's mounting position is, at best, unclear. I'm not sure I put the engine together right, and anyhow, a test fitting reveals it cannot possibly fit in the nose when all is closed up.  Every other part is crafted from gossamer-thin strands of moonlight, and will whimsically take flight at my merest breath, sometimes for hundreds of miles, in an effort to return to their spawning grounds in eastern Europe.

I don't get it. What gives? I never thought I was a very proficient modeller, but this is a whole new level of difficulty.

Finally, in despair, I resolved to glue the fuselage halves together, as the banana-like curvature to the left and right, respectively, of each portion made test fitting impossible. I'm hoping that I can just stuff all the bits in after it's all dried and go from there.



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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2013, 04:47:23 PM »
hahahaha I LoL-ed here at work when readng your words - a very artistic way to describe the experience of building this kit and your stumble upon the Roden's instructions :)! You seem like a person that is having fun! My first biplane (and 3rd model ever) was a Roden 1:72 Pfalz DIII which got me hooked to biplanes. I've got a lot of fun building it and I hope the experience will be similar for you!
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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2013, 02:12:33 AM »
You seem to be doing just fine, Edward.  This is all normal with a Roden kit.  I agree that the instructions are a bit fustrating, especially the squiggly, overlapping arrows that point vaguely to someplace in the fuselage.  I'm building the 1/48 scale version of the very same kit, but this is my 4th Roden kit, so I've come to expect and accept this sort of thing.  Good references help greatly here.  At least you have the fuselage closed up.  That's something.  By the time you've finshed her, you'll be quite pleased with the results of your efforts.  I look forward to your next update. 
Cheers,
Bud
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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2013, 02:40:39 AM »
Thanks, gentlemen. I'm not going to give up. My ancestors never knew defeat, because nobody in their right mind would have taken them into battle, preferring to leave them at home to steal horses, and I fully intend to uphold that glorious tradition, horse-thievery excepted.

With the benefit of hindsight, I should have just cut the wing in two and shimmed it to fit, but I'm always reluctant to do things like that because of my propensity for inexactitute when measuring. I may have sanded too much off to still be able to do that, but I'm going to investigate that further when I get home.

Having spent valuable company time combing through other build threads, I think I'm starting to have a handle on where the cockpit interior goes, and that I'll need to put something behind it, so that the pilot doesn't sit in front of a yawning tunnel leading all the way aft.

I still am totally at sea about the engine.
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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2013, 06:17:30 AM »
Edward,
You are making progress even though it is a bit frustrating! Keep up the great work. Personally I don't know how anyone builds those tiny 1/72nd kits  :o
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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2013, 09:40:02 AM »
Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha. AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA HOW D'YOU LIKE ME NOW, SUCKA?


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Re: Procopius Builds a Model! (Roden 1/72 D.VII)
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2013, 02:49:30 PM »
Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha. AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA HOW D'YOU LIKE ME NOW, SUCKA?

Funniest forum post I've seen in a long time. ;D

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