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Rudolf Stark's racing Beema
« on: June 08, 2013, 08:43:05 PM »
It looks real but I think it is only a 'skin' for a racing game, Forza Motorsport 4







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Re: Rudolf Stark's racing Beema
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2013, 09:09:26 PM »
It looks real but I think it is only a 'skin' for a racing game, Forza Motorsport 4


Indeed it is,  but it is getting harder and harder to tell, eh? There's not much to give it away. However if you look very closely at the "reflections" you can see polygon artifacts.

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Re: Rudolf Stark's racing Beema
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2013, 12:43:00 AM »
Amazing!! Will traditional illustration survive this?

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Re: Rudolf Stark's racing Beema
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2013, 12:58:26 AM »
Amazing!! Will traditional illustration survive this?

Steve

Yes, just as the advent of photography didn't manage to kill it off, though it did define the borders. Kids going to art school still need to learn how to draw in order to learn how to see, even if they will ultimately only use digital tools.

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Re: Rudolf Stark's racing Beema
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2013, 08:30:19 AM »
You touch on something I forgot to bring  into the equation - learning to see. An electronic stylus of some sort may replace the traditional drawing instruments but applying it still needs the eye of an artist.

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Re: Rudolf Stark's racing Beema
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2013, 01:33:35 PM »
You touch on something I forgot to bring  into the equation - learning to see. An electronic stylus of some sort may replace the traditional drawing instruments but applying it still needs the eye of an artist.

Steve

Well yeah. :) Absolutely anyone can "learn to see" and hence draw expertly; I have seen it happen enough times to say this with total certainty. And speaking as one sometimes tagged as "artistically  talented" I can attest that "artistic talent" means zero. Again, absolutely anyone can achieve the skill of expert draughtsmanship.  "Learning to see" means disassociating symbolic representations from what is actually observed  - contours, shadows, light, etc.
The classic example is the beginner in life drawing whose work exhibits wildly exaggerated nipples and pubes; they are drawing symbols --things rolling around in their head-- vs. what they are actually seeing...

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Re: Rudolf Stark's racing Beema
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2013, 02:04:23 PM »
....get out of my head.......Is this the classic illustration vs art discussion? I get wicked looks at times when I say "Its not art its a craft - and theres nothing wrong with good craftsmanship" The word craft got a bad rap when we glued popcicle sticks together and macaroni on coloured paper....

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Re: Rudolf Stark's racing Beema
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2013, 09:45:11 PM »
I agree with the comments, but there is one thing an artist needs that no teaching in the world can give them,
talent

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Re: Rudolf Stark's racing Beema
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2013, 10:14:53 PM »
What I was trying to say, probably rather poorly as usual, is that anyone can be taught the craft of drawing that which is seen. Talent (whatever that is) in this case is irrelevant. Over and over I've watched people who, when they came in, could barely manage stick figures produce excellent renderings after 3 months in a well taught life drawing class.

Incidentally it is this skill that the game studios are most interested in, rather than facility in a software program such a zBrush or Maya.

As for art or craft it all depends on what you do with it, and whether you have anything to say. And it may be in the eyes of the beholder.

 IMO.  :)

I'll shut up now  :) :) :)

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Re: Rudolf Stark's racing Beema
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2013, 10:38:42 PM »
I think we could be at cross purposes here Bo, when I was talking about talent, I was not thinking of people sitting at a computer, I was meaning artistic talent, that extra natural ability that separates your Rembrandts from Joe Average down the road.  However I know what you mean about seeing thing, having spent 30 years as a technical illustrator, we had to 'see things' as a 3D picture from conventional engineering drawings.

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« Last Edit: June 09, 2013, 10:45:07 PM by Pete Nottingham »

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Re: Rudolf Stark's racing Beema
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2013, 10:43:29 PM »
I thought you said it very well. I think we're on the same page(or drafting board) and its me that isnt explaining myself very well. A craft or illustration is a technical or mechanical exercise that can be taught - draw an egg, put a cross thru the egg, eventually it becomes a head with a face - repeat. Art is something beyond that, I believe, that the creator, when successful, "injects" into the piece whether its emotion, belief etc and is felt by the viewer. We can all write a series of sentences (illustration) but few of us can write good fiction (art)

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Re: Rudolf Stark's racing Beema
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2013, 01:24:14 AM »
.................. ooh! This is interesting; I did my first thesis on the merits and ambiguities of Fine Art illustration versus Illustrative Fine Art?
The big reveal was so esoteric and rarefied that one had to have increased ones level of perception and philosophical sensitivity to the point that one was in danger of engaging in pure solipsism or at the simplest, total polemics.................. ??? - It was heavy poop man!
I do remember using Andrew Wyeth as a means of swinging an argument which ever way I wanted it to hang at the time. But there again I also used Hopper, Simpson, Remington and Rockwell ................. I'd turned myself inside out and back again several times before I'd get a line of thought that just went in one direction and didn't keep splitting into parts of a whole, or constantly fly off at some ephemeral tangent.

Anyhoo - I got it down to "Art" is invariably a politico'/socio' statement viewed from outside of the cultural context within which it was created. Illustration was/is a means of conveying information or instruction within the context of which it was created, and craft was the tenet and technique within which the creation was executed................ It's been some while, and I'm paraphrasing from the back of mine own head - so I could of probably got that all wrong?

Now I just tend to agree that cake is good!

KBO ............. Andi.

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Re: Rudolf Stark's racing Beema
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2013, 06:15:38 AM »
Is that chocolate cake or vanilla cake? ;D

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Re: Rudolf Stark's racing Beema
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2013, 08:20:58 AM »
Strawberry sponge cake!

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