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Re: Multi-Seat 2026 GB - Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1/72
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2026, 08:09:07 AM »
I'm sorry I've not said anything but this is a treat to follow. I love the extra work you're doing. Speaking of...

Didn't waste too much time getting the details exactly right on this one since it's unlikely to be seen once in place

Stutter instrument panel , on Flickr
How much time did you waste? It looks terrific!!
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Re: Multi-Seat 2026 GB - Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1/72
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2026, 06:13:55 PM »
That interior looks great and the instrument panel is lovely. But you are right, it won't be seen once the top wing is on...... :(

I always find this stage of the model the time when I'm most likely to set it aside for something else since it seems to absorb time without any apparent visible progress being made - Is this just me? Do others have stages that they drag their heels over or struggle with?
Absolutely, I always find this with WWI aircraft. Things start quickly with engine, interior and sub assemblies but then you get to painting, decalling, varnishing and detailing all the individual bits and bobs which seems to take forever. I often get a bit fed up at that stage. I had that with the Nie 11 build - a quick and easy kit to build but I forgot about those stupid edging strips which took me days to mask and get right! But then everything seems to come together quickly at the end and all the frustrations are forgotten. Until the next one of course!

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Re: Multi-Seat 2026 GB - Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1/72
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2026, 06:15:19 PM »
Super interior detailing: what a pity it will be hardly visible! I will not be adding so much detail to my build because it will not be visible and I am eager to get on with things that will be visible!!

In reply to your comment about wishing to move on to another subject/getting stuck at a particular stage of the build: I seem to suffer from that problem frequently. I thought that it was an issue with scratch building - one has to make a large number of parts and there is little to show for them in the form of a model, so perseverance is essential, but sometimes difficult. I am suffering a little from that problem at the moment - I have to add some details to the interior of my current project and I am not to excited at the prospect. I could easily start another! However once I am over "the hump" and I can see real progress, my mojo tends to return and I regain my original urge to continue with and finish the model.

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Cheers Stephen

I know exactly what you mean about interior stuff. It's one of the bits I like the least, but then I get drawn in to just adding this and then that and how can I make this and suddenly it's become a project in itself  ::)
Good to hear that you also go through those stages of wilting enthusiasm; even worse for scratch building which I'm leaning more and more towards. I'm trying to be more disciplined this year and just do a little bit to keep it moving each day rather than reach for a new project when enthusiasm wanes (I've got several part started projects laying on the shelf which may or may not see the light of day at some point)


I'm sorry I've not said anything but this is a treat to follow. I love the extra work you're doing. Speaking of...

Didn't waste too much time getting the details exactly right on this one since it's unlikely to be seen once in place

Stutter instrument panel , on Flickr
How much time did you waste? It looks terrific!!

LOL  ;D Glad you're enjoying it Zac.
Probably about an hour or so spent on the dash into total over a couple of days. Hardest part is getting the shape to fit correctly. I used a scrap of 10 thou card and sanded the top curve to fit one half keeping the bottom over long then used this as a template (flipped over for the second side) Touch of refinement and then trimmed for correct depth. Stretch some sprue and slice off sections for the dials, scraps of 5 thou and a thin piece of brass wire take care of the details. A final sand and quick spray of primer.
Paint the wood (Vallejo red leather acrylic mixed with some golden brown and a touch of glaze medium to slow the drying time; old brush dragged through the final coat gives a sort of grain effect) Then the dials - Painted black first as an undercoat then painted with brass using some old Model Colour brass mixed with some golden brown to make it a bit less transparent and kill the glittery shine. Black centre onto this and then fine brush to add the white details (again mixed with a bit of glaze medium which makes the white thinner and less stark as well as stops it drying out on the tip of the brush) There's usually a bit of back and forth between the black and white till I'm happy  :P I use a hairdryer between colours when painting the details so doesn't take too long and I find as I get older it takes a while for my eyes to adjust to painting details so once I start painting these bits I like to work on them to completion.
Obviously using close up glasses for these details; I've switched from an Optivisor to a pair of close up reading glasses which I find more comfortable. The ones I have currently are +6 bought from somewhere online and weren't too expensive although I do look like Joe90 when wearing them  8)
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Re: Multi-Seat 2026 GB - Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1/72
« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2026, 06:20:47 PM »
That interior looks great and the instrument panel is lovely. But you are right, it won't be seen once the top wing is on...... :(

I always find this stage of the model the time when I'm most likely to set it aside for something else since it seems to absorb time without any apparent visible progress being made - Is this just me? Do others have stages that they drag their heels over or struggle with?
Absolutely, I always find this with WWI aircraft. Things start quickly with engine, interior and sub assemblies but then you get to painting, decalling, varnishing and detailing all the individual bits and bobs which seems to take forever. I often get a bit fed up at that stage. I had that with the Nie 11 build - a quick and easy kit to build but I forgot about those stupid edging strips which took me days to mask and get right! But then everything seems to come together quickly at the end and all the frustrations are forgotten. Until the next one of course!

Morning Nigel, you're right of course but I just couldn't help myself . . . . . . ::)

Interesting to hear that you find that as well. I suppose we have different stages which we get snagged at (The Nieuport looks terrific by the way. The edging really lifts the colour scheme so well worth the effort of all that masking). As you say all forgotten until the next one
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Re: Multi-Seat 2026 GB - Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1/72
« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2026, 07:17:03 PM »
Thank you chaps  :)

Been fiddling about with the interior (most of which will be unseen or at best blurry, but I can't just leave the cockpits completely alone) I'll hopefully get them finished later and will take a couple of pics before they disappear. I will add the inspection panels although it would have been easier to sand them in with the wing before adding rib detail I think I can manage them at this stage without too many problems. (Memo to self to do them earlier in the process next time) ;)

I always find this stage of the model the time when I'm most likely to set it aside for something else since it seems to absorb time without any apparent visible progress being made - Is this just me? Do others have stages that they drag their heels over or struggle with?

Paul

Answering your question, I also do have the stages of modeling which linger mercilessly... Cleaning the parts from flash, traces of mould halves joint, correcting fitting issues are among them.
But I also have another stage which scares me off. I always have difficulties with starting to airbrush the main parts. I postpone it till the last possible moment, inventing other things which can be done beforehand.
And then, doing the wash and its cleaning... Generally weathering... It is not my piece of cake.
Yet, I never have a feeling to throw the kit into a trash bin. There was only one model in my life which I did not complete. I will not tell its name, I am too ashamed of it :)

And BTW - great job on the cockpit. Too late now, but there is a PE fret from Part dedicated to Toko Strutter - it might have been useful...
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Re: Multi-Seat 2026 GB - Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1/72
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2026, 12:21:33 AM »

In other news I spent some time this morning making up suitable struts (The undercarriage are just roughed out at this stage and the wing struts are overlong ready to be trimmed down) I decided after studying the close up photos in the datafile to make inverted 'V's for the centres and add the extra strut later which are laying alongside

Strutter struts , on Flickr

I have been following your Strutter build and must say that it is progressing nicely.

Of late I have also been fussing over making struts and similar bits in 1/72 scale. My usual go to for such things is to use thin wall brass tubing that I have "squashed" with a smaller diameter bit of rod inside.

I find it works well in larger scales but I just can't get it quite right in the smaller scales - either not "squashed" enough or too much.

Your use of sanded or filed brass wire, as you describe, is interesting.  I have perused your description in this topic and in others that I have managed to find on this technique but I am left with a few questions.

Brass wire?  Wire or rod, very similar but wire tends to be softer than rod. What is your preference of material.

What size wire or rod do you start with? Any tips on the sanding or filing bit? Do you work just by eye or do you use a jig or guide of some sort?

Soldering. Usual 60/40 lead/tin or lead free or silver bearing ( i.e. StayBrite ) or low temperature tin/bismuth or ?

As always, I find myself descending into a rabbit hole of over engineering something that should be simple.

cheers, Graham

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Re: Multi-Seat 2026 GB - Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1/72
« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2026, 01:42:35 AM »

In other news I spent some time this morning making up suitable struts (The undercarriage are just roughed out at this stage and the wing struts are overlong ready to be trimmed down) I decided after studying the close up photos in the datafile to make inverted 'V's for the centres and add the extra strut later which are laying alongside

Strutter struts , on Flickr

I have been following your Strutter build and must say that it is progressing nicely.

Of late I have also been fussing over making struts and similar bits in 1/72 scale. My usual go to for such things is to use thin wall brass tubing that I have "squashed" with a smaller diameter bit of rod inside.

I find it works well in larger scales but I just can't get it quite right in the smaller scales - either not "squashed" enough or too much.

Your use of sanded or filed brass wire, as you describe, is interesting.  I have perused your description in this topic and in others that I have managed to find on this technique but I am left with a few questions.

Brass wire?  Wire or rod, very similar but wire tends to be softer than rod. What is your preference of material.

What size wire or rod do you start with? Any tips on the sanding or filing bit? Do you work just by eye or do you use a jig or guide of some sort?

Soldering. Usual 60/40 lead/tin or lead free or silver bearing ( i.e. StayBrite ) or low temperature tin/bismuth or ?

As always, I find myself descending into a rabbit hole of over engineering something that should be simple.

cheers, Graham


Hi Graham nice to have you following along.

To answer your questions I found exactly the same as you when squashing tube so have used the slightly laborious method shown to me by Austin Stack a few years ago (Austin was an outstanding modeller who is sadly no longer with us, but it was looking at his 72nd models that really inspired me to have a go)

I use brass wire that I buy at shows made by Albion Alloys; usually comes in packets of 5 about 300 mm long. For the Strutter and most others I use 2mm for the main struts and either 1 or 1.5mm for the others depending on my mood.

Holding the piece flat on the workbench I use a needle file to put a flat on one side and then turn this side to the bench and sand a flat on the opposite side. I tend to make a bridge with my index finger and thumb and file between them while pressing down working on about 3" at a time and gradually work along the length. Once one side is done I flip it over and repeat on the other side.

I usually have to turn it over a few times gradually getting nearer to the thickness I'm after rather than try and do it it in just a couple of stages. No jigs for this I just use a mk1 eyeball which is okay given they'll need some work later. Once I'm happy with the rough thickness I use 320 or 400 wet/dry paper used dry to sand cutting marks out. This is the trickiest part and where you are liable to put a kink in it.  :P
If this happens I've found that you can normally flip the wire over and pressing/sanding with a file will take most of the kink out.

I've just miked a piece and it is about 0.52mm when finished to this stage

This is the really boring part and Austin used to make up a batch of wires at the start of the year which would last him throughout the years modelling (Me, I prefer to just do a length when needed) ::)

Hopefully you'll still have feeling in the tips of your fingers when you've done a couple of lengths. Austin used to use double sided tape on the bench once he'd put the initial flat sides on the wire, but I always ended up putting a proper bend in the stuff when removing it so just use finger pressure (or clamp it using my thumb under the bench with fingers above)

Anyway to make the struts I then clip off a slightly long piece of 'strut wire' and file one side to a sharp edge and add some rounding to the other side giving an rough aerofoil shape to the wire. Polish again with sandpaper and then shape the ends if needed. (If you look at the wing struts on this one the are tapered towards the ends, but some don't) With wider struts I'll then use a file to shape one end into a peg shape, but narrower ones usually just end up being pointed. The second end is shaped when I've checked and double checked the model usually on it's jig  ;)

Phew that took a while to describe, but hopefully that makes sense (I can take some pictures if it's not clear)

I use bog standard solder (60/40 stuff I presume, but the label has worn off) The cheap stuff that comes coiled in a plastic tube is fine.

I've got an ancient tin of Bakers Flux that I dip the neds of the brass wire in to tin them (coat with a thin layer of solder). Soldering two pieces together I just masking tape them onto a old oak base at the correct angle (If I'm being fussy I'll draw it out before hand) My soldering iron is laughable and about 40 years old I think it's about 15 -20 watts so nothing complicated. I do make sure there's plenty of solder on the joint and clean up with a file afterwards.

Hopefully that will keep you out of any rabbit holes when you could be building  ;D

Paul
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Re: Multi-Seat 2026 GB - Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1/72
« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2026, 03:23:43 AM »
Busy, busy, busy  :D

Perspex observation panels let into the wings now. They just need a final polish with toothpaste to make them a bit clearer. You'll also notice the new wing ribs in the 'clear' centre section from 10 thou card

Strutter top wing , on Flickr

Fuselage is now all buttoned up. Joints weren't great between the bits which may be my incompetence or the kit. A bit of filler needed and rather than try and fill the lower fuselage joint I sanded it flat and skinned with 5 thou card needing just a touch of filler to get a nice crisp corner. Tacking the cowl in place meant a bit more sanding to get a good fit later so the panels were replaced with card and the intake pipe added going right across rather than two short stubs of brass tube. A bit of fettling out and a brass detail gives a nice footstep.  :)

Strutter nose , on Flickr

Detail of the tail adjustment mechanism from 0.4mm brass wire and a bit of brass tube fitted into scraps of 10 thou card after filling and sanding down - should look okay under a coat of paint. Nice detail about this kit is the upsweep on the fuselage top towards the tail which is an area that's sometimes missed

Strutter tail detail , on Flickr
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Re: Multi-Seat 2026 GB - Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1/72
« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2026, 03:40:39 AM »
In other news I found an issue of Cross and Cockade which has lots of colour profiles of Stutters including a couple of 6407 both in the kit (and usually seen) version and an interesting earlier incarnation.

The early version shows the expected PC10 wings with a 'linen' fuselage that has the forward part up the the lower wing trailing edge and the decking aft of the rear cockpit painted in 'olive' in an attempt to make it less conspicuous. (The fin is still has the expected linen background and the Sopwith data painted in black). It also shows the earlier marking of a white circle with a red centre on a red square  that was superseded by the red/blue marking seen on the full PC10 version. Apparently these markings were changed at the same time as full camouflage was done. I've seen similar schemes on DH4's as supplied by the factory which were quickly dulled in the field by painting the linen fuselages in PC10.

Anyway the earlier version might make a bit more of an interesting scheme - Any thoughts?  :-\
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Re: Multi-Seat 2026 GB - Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1/72
« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2026, 07:48:55 AM »



To answer your questions I found exactly the same as you when squashing tube so have used the slightly laborious method shown to me by Austin Stack a few years ago (Austin was an outstanding modeller who is sadly no longer with us, but it was looking at his 72nd models that really inspired me to have a go)

Hopefully that will keep you out of any rabbit holes when you could be building  ;D

Paul

Thank you Paul.  Your description of your process is quite good and not very much different than what I imagined.

I am going to have a play. I have gathered some brass bits and have a couple of ideas on how to better hold the brass rod while happily filing away on it. Holding small bits is always a challenge

cheers, Graham

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Re: Multi-Seat 2026 GB - Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1/72
« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2026, 07:52:49 AM »
This is probably no surprise to you Paul but I think the full PC10 camo will fit this workhorse better  :)

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Re: Multi-Seat 2026 GB - Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1/72
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2026, 06:19:12 PM »



To answer your questions I found exactly the same as you when squashing tube so have used the slightly laborious method shown to me by Austin Stack a few years ago (Austin was an outstanding modeller who is sadly no longer with us, but it was looking at his 72nd models that really inspired me to have a go)

Hopefully that will keep you out of any rabbit holes when you could be building  ;D

Paul

Thank you Paul.  Your description of your process is quite good and not very much different than what I imagined.

I am going to have a play. I have gathered some brass bits and have a couple of ideas on how to better hold the brass rod while happily filing away on it. Holding small bits is always a challenge

cheers, Graham

No worries Graham. It sounds like a PITA but it doesn't take too long and apart from the scale appearance makes the model much stronger (The only two models I couldn't repair when the shelf on collapsed some were the two that had plastic struts. The brass struts on all the others were straightened successfully)

This is probably no surprise to you Paul but I think the full PC10 camo will fit this workhorse better  :)

 ;D Thought you might say that enathon  ;) (and I suspect you may be right)
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Re: Multi-Seat 2026 GB - Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1/72
« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2026, 06:36:19 PM »
That's beautiful work Paul, especially on the tail mechanism.

Earlier version for me - let's see some nice shading and weathering effects on the CDL fuselage..... ;)

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Re: Multi-Seat 2026 GB - Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1/72
« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2026, 08:07:39 PM »
Looking extremely promising! I especially like that rib effect on the wings, you are very precise builder. And the Strutter is one of my faves, so looking forward to see this as ready.

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Re: Multi-Seat 2026 GB - Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 1/72
« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2026, 11:43:02 AM »
Paul,
Would you be able to share a picture of the color profile of the earlier version?  I think that might be the one I?d choose. 
All your efforts are really starting to make this build something special!
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Tim