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Offline DaddyO

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Armstrong Whitworth 3 seat triplane
« on: April 19, 2025, 07:21:23 PM »
After finishing the LVG recently I bimbled around the workroom wondering what to have a go at next. I'm sue it's not just me, but when a build is completed I'm always a bit 'flat' (which is part of the reason my workbench usually has half a dozen different projects on the go at once)

Anyway after a few days looking through various kit boxes and narrowing the field down to a more acceptable number I still couldn't decide which one to commit to and so went away to do other things. My current collection leans heavily into Nieuport variations and German types so really I wanted something British (or at least allied) reasonably large and ideally a bit 'different' to stand out on the display table. It was then I remembered some of the 'one day' projects - you know the ones that you promise yourself you'll have a go at some day  ::) (We all have them; projects that are just ideas for 'really' nice models - multi aircraft diorama's, dramatic vignettes etc.) Well in my 'one day' projects were 3 suitable triplanes 8)

So on Good Friday I decided I wasn't getting any younger and the only way to get one of these models is to break out the plastic and have a go  ;)

FK12 by Paul S, on Flickr

Starting with the tail surfaces the first problem was encountered -
Having cut to shape and sanded to section I added the ribs using my usual 'scored' method and unfortunately the rather floppy piece of plastic took on an unfortunate bow  :o Now I'm sure others would press on and find an alternative solution, but my thought was I've used the scoring method for the last few years without issue on 'normal' kits so why not just make the tail the same way. Rummaging on the shelf I found a suitable wing from a box and tried again. The lower surface was sanded flat (ish) and all detail sanded off and then the section reduced in thickness before the elevators were separated. Although taking a good deal longer to make the result is something much more rigid that looks the part.  8)

FK12 tail plane by Paul S, on Flickr

Encouraged by these I slapped some plastic card together to form the main bits of the fuselage. The intention is to add the rounded top sections and nose from carved thicker sheet tacked in place for carving and then removed to allow any details to be added. One of the advantages of the layout is that both lower wings attach to the fuselage directly which should make setting up easier. To reinforce the attachment points I've added a couple of extra thcknesses of card  which should allow the wings to be pinned in place with wire.

FK12 fuselage by Paul S, on Flickr

That's all for the moment, but I'll cover a bit of history of this interesting beastie in a later post

Paul
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Offline s.e.charles

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Re: Armstrong Whitworth 3 seat triplane
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2025, 07:58:18 PM »
heckuva start.

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Re: Armstrong Whitworth 3 seat triplane
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2025, 09:38:47 PM »
Great choice Paul!
One of those airplanes that makes you wonder "What were they thinking?..."
It's not even clear if it's the F.K.6 or F.K.12 but it's obviously a failure, and one of the best definitions of the term "ungainly"  ;D
A good start, I will be following with interest  :)
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Re: Armstrong Whitworth 3 seat triplane
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2025, 10:59:03 PM »
heckuva start.

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Thank you kindly sir  ;D

Great choice Paul!
One of those airplanes that makes you wonder "What were they thinking?..."
It's not even clear if it's the F.K.6 or F.K.12 but it's obviously a failure, and one of the best definitions of the term "ungainly"  ;D
A good start, I will be following with interest  :)

Cheers matey.  ;D
I quite like the look of the FK8 and when I started looking into other designs by Fredrick (Koolhoven) I was immediately struck by the lack of shall we say 'conventionality'. Here was a man unafraid to push the boundaries of what was possible (I seem to recalla story that the earlier triplane was so radical that either the pilot or works manager refused it to be flown)

Clearly the idea of gunners in the wings was popular pre-sychronization because there's the similar (ish) Robey Peters idea (which is also on my some day build list) ;)
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Re: Armstrong Whitworth 3 seat triplane
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2025, 05:36:27 PM »
Wow, what am intriguing project! Great start, you have a lot of courage to attempt this and I can't wait to see it in the wild on a GWSIG display  8)

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Re: Armstrong Whitworth 3 seat triplane
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2025, 06:51:46 PM »
Wow, what am intriguing project! Great start, you have a lot of courage to attempt this and I can't wait to see it in the wild on a GWSIG display  8)

Cheers Nigel.  ;D
It's certainly a big old lump so should stand out among my usual tiddlers. The wingspan is about 62' so around the same size as a Marauder bomber (A tad less than a Gotha) Roughly 10 1/2" wingspan on the model

I figured I might as well have a go at something different and this is one of 3 triplane projects that I'd considered. There are a few 'problems' that will need solving before it's completed, but rather than wait until I was sure I knew how to sort them I thought I'd dive in and have some fun and hopefully learn some stuff along the way   ::)
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Re: Armstrong Whitworth 3 seat triplane
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2025, 09:07:20 PM »
Following on from my tailplane experience I decided to tackle the wings slightly differently from my original plan. Looking through the many unbuilt models sitting on the shelf I found a pair of Roden Gotha's (GII and GIV) Since I'm only ever likely to tackle one that meant some surplus parts  :o and with a bit of jiggling about I could get a complete set of wings to suit.

 NB - I decided to fill the hinge lines with stretched sprue because this would behave in the same way as the rest of the wing plastic when adding details later. The large Gotha wing panels needed an extra little chunk of plastic adding to the cut out section to make up the length correctly. The middle (largest) wing is the only one with ailerons fitted so that will make life easier.

FK12 mid wing by Paul S, on Flickr

In other news the rough fuselage shape is now ready for a top piece and the upper wing (which is the only one with dihedral) is, after much rimming and sanding ready for pins and rib tapes to be added

FK12 top wing by Paul S, on Flickr
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Re: Armstrong Whitworth 3 seat triplane
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2025, 01:02:43 AM »
Excellent use of a bank holiday weekend! And also excellent use of a spare Gotha.....

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Re: Armstrong Whitworth 3 seat triplane
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2025, 02:02:27 AM »
Excellent use of a bank holiday weekend! And also excellent use of a spare Gotha.....

 ;D Even managed to eat some chocolate eggs so top weekend all round

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Re: Armstrong Whitworth 3 seat triplane
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2025, 11:21:28 PM »
Great project Paul!

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Re: Armstrong Whitworth 3 seat triplane
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2025, 12:54:45 AM »
Great project Paul!

Cheers matey. really busy at work so haven't had any chance to move it along so far this week  :-[
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Re: Armstrong Whitworth 3 seat triplane
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2025, 02:06:34 AM »
Nice scratch project of an ugly plane!
And hurry, so it is done when the kit arrives....
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Re: Armstrong Whitworth 3 seat triplane
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2025, 04:08:02 AM »
Been away and just found this: an excellent topic for a scratch build. I do like those experimental types which looked ungainly at best and down right ugly at worst. They are so interesting for a number of reasons, not least because they are so little known - which means nobody can claim that you have got something wrong! (even when you have!!!?)

I will be following with great interest not least to crib any good construction ideas.

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Re: Armstrong Whitworth 3 seat triplane
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2025, 05:35:10 PM »
Nice scratch project of an ugly plane!
And hurry, so it is done when the kit arrives....
Cheers Joachim

LOL wouldn't that be typical Joachim  ;D, but I reckon I'm pretty safe with this one . . .

Been away and just found this: an excellent topic for a scratch build. I do like those experimental types which looked ungainly at best and down right ugly at worst. They are so interesting for a number of reasons, not least because they are so little known - which means nobody can claim that you have got something wrong! (even when you have!!!?)

I will be following with great interest not least to crib any good construction ideas.

Stephen.

Cheers Stephen
I'm very taken with these shall we say 'quirky' designs and the empirical nature if build it to see if it works process that went on. They are also excellent display pieces compared with more regular designs provoking interest and comments when alongside more 'normal' aircraft  :)

Not sure there'll be much in the way of interesting techniques to crib, much of my modelling is 'make it up as you go along' school  ::)
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Re: Armstrong Whitworth 3 seat triplane
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2025, 04:52:39 AM »
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Not sure there'll be much in the way of interesting techniques to crib, much of my modelling is 'make it up as you go along' school  ::)
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....which is the technique that I use all the time. It means that you will probably do something I have not thought about and then I can crib it!!

Stephen.