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Offline RAGIII

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #75 on: April 30, 2023, 12:25:02 AM »
I'm enjoying seeing all this CAD sorcery taking shape!

Richie

I say the same thing - enjoyable sorcery!
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I am catching up here and couldn't have put it better  ::) I think I understand How guys felt that built Aircraft Models from wood when Plastic kits began to take over the market  :o This is the Next big change in how We do things but I am way behind the curve!

By the way Awesome work!
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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #76 on: May 16, 2023, 04:09:09 AM »
Hi again folks.  Thought I'd share a couple images on our design progress.  First, the engine design is nearly complete. We're just plotting out the last of the smaller details to be rendered as clear as possible in 1/72.  Really happy with how these printed out, even the rocker arm springs survived... though may just crumble during handling.  We shall see.

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Going back to the cockpit details, we've rendered the wireless transmitter, which is modeled on the British Army Spark Gap transmitter of 1914.  My brother spent about 5 hours designing this nearly microscopic device.  I'm still amazed how well the details print, though we need to probably exaggerate the coil a bit.

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A few more accessories to create, such as the windscreen and wing-mounted oil tank, plus some strut/boom fittings to tidy up, then we can move on to decals and photo etch.
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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #77 on: May 21, 2023, 03:44:19 AM »
Incredible details on such tiny parts, 3d printing technology has advanced at a very fast rate. Will you be making the photo etch parts yourself? This is something I have been looking into recently.

Richie

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #78 on: May 21, 2023, 05:19:01 AM »
Yes! My brother has acquired the proper equipment and we're aiming to start tinkering with that next month.

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #79 on: May 21, 2023, 06:21:21 AM »
I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes. A lot if exploring techniques in this thread. I love to see boundaries being pushed like this.

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #80 on: May 23, 2023, 01:06:37 AM »
Excellent results from Pure Sorcery  ::)
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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #81 on: May 23, 2023, 05:39:49 AM »
Just wow! That’s truely impressive what can be done with a computer and a good 3D printer.
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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #82 on: May 23, 2023, 08:33:19 AM »
Just wow! That’s truely impressive what can be done with a computer and a good 3D printer.
Andreas

Yes, it seems that prices for this technology continue to become more affordable every release generation.  Gaining fluency in the design software is the other major challenge.  Our biggest challenge evidently is my brother Eric's cat (see last pic).  Here are some pix of last weekend's print run of the Salmson engine components. We're designed it to enable as much painting as possible while mounted to minimize handling - this stuff is sooo fragile in 1/72.  We're also designing a jig for the metal wires that will be used for the pushrods (third photo). 

While we're at it, we are trying out AK, Alclad, Vallejo and other metallics (none of which I've used before).  For hand painting details Eric prefers water-based acrylics like most mini painters do, though many Tamiya colors are a pain to hand brush.  Retarder helps but only goes so far.  Oilbrushers seem to be a little thicker so far but apply easy.  What do you all prefer to paint WW1 engines with?

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #83 on: May 23, 2023, 09:58:56 PM »
Oh my! That is such tiny and intricate detail.  It all looks fantastic! 
My preference for engine colors are: acrylic base colors followed with an enamel wash.  I can’t get watery acrylic paint to give a consistent wash. They seem to bead up and not spread evenly. 

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #84 on: May 28, 2023, 03:54:29 AM »
My preference for engine colors are: acrylic base colors followed with an enamel wash.  I can’t get watery acrylic paint to give a consistent wash. They seem to bead up and not spread evenly. 

Thanks Tim - do you ever have trouble with the two types of paint bonding?  I'm still learning about the new paints out there since I last completed a build.
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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #85 on: May 28, 2023, 04:39:55 AM »
No sir, not when I apply oils over acrylic. Acrylic over oils doesn’t work well.

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #86 on: May 28, 2023, 09:04:00 AM »
I agree with Tim: you are achieving a level of detail which I would never have thought possible in God's Own Scale.

I also agree with him about paints: I used to use only enamels but now I mainly use acrylics, even on my large models. Enamels will paint well over acrylics, but certainly not the other way round.

I am so pleased to see that the cat has a deep interest in real aeroplanes and models - aren't they so delightful.........?

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #87 on: May 28, 2023, 12:25:29 PM »
Thanks.  It's all been a fun learning process for sure and everyone's feedback really helps. 

Eric and I are so far happy with how the original engine photographs translated to our 3D digital rendering, and how that in turn translates into the actual printed-resin elements.  Today Eric assembled our first fully painted test print of the 16 plastic engine parts, plus the first seven ignition wires (Eric used Uschi rigging).  Still need to attach the next 7 wires to each spark plug then the 28 pushrods (the jig so we printed was misaligned so have to redo it).  That totals over 50 separate parts for something smaller than a penny!  Not all parts fit quite perfectly yet - there's a distracting seam where the engine halves meet.  Also, a few of the cylinders are out of alignment with the pipes not quite connect.  This is a relatively easy fix in the design.  Thankfully no major breaks occurred, though we need to come up with a way to separately print the many small details on the rear engine side as they are too susceptible to breakage during handling while assembling and painting.

Regarding the paintwork, it always helps to work over a fresh white-paper-lined surface.  For this test he applied a thin coat of back primer to everything then applied Alclad dull aluminum to one pair of engine casings (the darker ones), which went on ok; and AK Xtreme metal on the brighter pair.  Eric reports that the AK seemed easier to use but was much brighter.  The cylinders were similarly done in two sets with Alclad and AK copper.  The Alclad looks amazing with excellent coverage and no visible metal flakes.  Eric reports that the AK copper was awful to apply but likes the color.  The intake pipes and hoses were respectively painted with Model Color silver and black but this proved less satisfactory.  Tamiya Dark Iron was used on the exhaust pipes.  The springs were highlighted Oilbrushers silver, which went on too thick though it applied easily.  The brass elements were done using Model Color, Oilbrusher and a Tamiya, but the results were unsatisfactory.  All had big metal flakes and looked like glitter with terrible coverage and many details lost trying to get color on.  He applied a thin wash to enhance the details.

         

Thanks for looking!
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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #88 on: May 28, 2023, 05:46:36 PM »
Seeing the engine sat by a penny built up, painted and knowing there are 50 parts I am even more stunned. The little tweaks will soon be done and it will be magnificent!

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Re: The Wight Type A.1 Improved Navyplane (1/72nd scale)
« Reply #89 on: May 29, 2023, 01:53:30 AM »
That engine detail in such a small scale is Incredible! Looks stunning painted and assembled!
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