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Offline Dave W

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Re: Wingnuts releases for 2013 ??
« Reply #75 on: January 31, 2013, 10:21:14 AM »
A response to Rowan's post above:

Rowan I think you misread the comments in this thread. We are not- I am most certainly not- trying to play a Chicken Little number on Wingnuts. This Forum and its members are THE most enthusiastic supporters of Wingnut Wings of any hobby website or Forum that I have seen, Just look at all of the posts here, don't single out those asking some serious questions about future sales potential and label us doom-mongers.

We all have a vested interest in ensuring Wingnut stays viable. But realistically they are now the major player in 1/32 scale aircraft models, now that Roden has backed away. Why Roden stopped doing WW1 subjects is secondary to the fact that they did abandon it, and Wingnut have plowed on and are the default large scale WW1 aircraft kit manufacturers ( some welcome resin manufacturers notwithstanding).

The Vintage Aviator operates on a different business model to Wingnuts but it's no secret TVAL shares its detailed information with Wingnut. It's also become evident that everything manufactured by TVAl will appear as a model from Wingnut. Hence we could expect a BE,2c and F and a Fokker D.VIII. This is speculation but based on the fact everything else TVAL has made has been subsequently kitted by Wingnut.

Rather than 'gloom and doom' as you suggest, I think this thread is showing itself to be a vibrant discussion on where we are going with large scale WW1 models. In my last article on Wingnuts the company indicated another bomber subject was quite likely so let's all cheer that decision. Hopefully a Handley Page 0/400?

It is a fact that Wingnut is targeting a wider mainstream hobby customer base for sales and this makes perfect sense as WW1 modellers are too small a niche for enduring profitability on our own.

That said, the fact is that most of those mainstream modellers incessantly demand Wingnut produce various American designs of the interwar years, or a 1/32 Lancaster. They call for anything BUT WW1 models! Those requests are everywhere, all of them ignoring Wingnuts stated policy of focussing on WW1 era aircraft.

So the trend here, encouraged by Roy's remarks, was to ask where the tipping point might be for mainstream sales vs dedicated WW1 enthusiasts.

All of us wish Wingnut a very long and very prosperous business life because it's in our best interests they thrive. 

Their kits are, in my view, the best in the world. Their instruction booklets are the best in the world ( all credit to Richard Alexander), their sales and delivery  and customer after-sales service is the best in the world ( all credit to Dave Johnson and his team).

I don't see any of the remarks in this thread as doom and gloom. I see them as expressions of support and concern by dedicated supporters of Wingnuts and what the company is striving to achieve.

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Re: Wingnuts releases for 2013 ??
« Reply #76 on: January 31, 2013, 10:40:51 AM »
Point taken Rowan and I agree with everything you have said, except the bit about Roden being scared off by Wingnuts. I have had a lot of personal communications with Vladimir, the President of Roden, and he has assured me that they cannot compete with the quality and price of the Wingnut superb kits, so they will not be producing any new 1:32 scale WW1 aircraft kits in the foreseeable future. Yes, I have built all of Rodens 1:32 scale WW1 kits and found all of them to be quite buildable, they need some work but they do build up to be a very nice model. As far as comparing them to a Wingnuts kit, well, there is no comparison, it's like chalk and cheese, the Wingnuts DH.2 runs rings around the Roden DH.2, and the Wingnuts Hannover is such a remarkable kit that it just falls together, brilliant engineering.

I fully support Wingnuts 110% and really appreciate what they have done for the large scale WW1 aircraft modeler, yes, they will produce obscure types and they will sell, we have to remember that there is a die hard Wingnuts fan club out there who will buy anything Wingnuts produces. There are only two Wingnut kits that I have not purchased, but these will be added to my stash in short time, the quality and buildability of these kits is unequalled with each new release getting better and better.

I don't think this topic has turned to doom and gloom, all it is are members voicing their opinions, some are on a negative tone but the majority look at this as being a very interesting and enjoyable conversation thread. Most, in fact all, are backing Wingnuts, and rightfully so, they are giving us an excellent product with the promise of many more to come, the more obscure the better in my opinion.

All the wish lists that are floating around are great, and I can imagine in the years to come many of those aircraft will become fruition as kits by Wingnuts, we are in 1:32 scale modeling heaven at the moment and Wingnuts can be thanked for putting us there.

Making money, this is a bit of a sore point. Regardless of what people think a business is in business to make money, some don't make an enormous amount but they do have to cover costs, they don't go to all the trouble to produce and market a product just to give it away because they are nice guys. I don't know the business side of Wingnuts, they are extremely lucky to have the backing of Peter Jackson but even he would not be pumping enormous amounts of money into producing kits just for the fun of it, even if he only made one dollar per kit it is still not a loss.

Like you Rowan, I always look on the bright side of life, every day for me is a bonus and I take full advantage of each minute of each day. I love life, I love my wife and family, and I love modeling, I thoroughly enjoy running my website and forum and I love the interaction I have had with the forum members, life is good and Wingnuts have made it even better.

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Re: Wingnuts releases for 2013 ??
« Reply #77 on: January 31, 2013, 10:41:00 AM »
   Though not noted for my optimism nor for a consistently cheerful disposition I must go on the record as one who believes the WNW experience is all very good. We have been blessed with an incredible inventory of WWI topics of a quality far and away above the standards of only four years ago. This Logo has, IMHO, done more for the WWI niche of scale aircraft modelling then we've seen since injection molding drove the old Strombecker mixed medium Kits off the shelves. (And I mean no slur to those who work in the other arts of Vacuforms and Scratch Builds etc.)
   There's been some excellent points/observations stated here, the TVAL statement and analogy being a great one when related to the comments on the need to at least cover business costs. I may be a hopeless idealist however I really believe the sponsor and benefactor of TVAL and WNW has very noble reasons for what he is doing. Break even is no sin when you are spearheading the preservation and promotion of History, and he gets my vote.
   As far as the future releases, does anyone seriously think the HB29 would ever outsell the Albatros DV's? I think there will be more surprises and as said earlier, the Salmson is certainly not a cash cow................anything is possible. And then there's the between the Great Wars Period!
   I'm with Rowan's closing remarks; the future is bright, we should be REAL happy, and "we ain't seen nuthin yet!
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Re: Wingnuts releases for 2013 ??
« Reply #78 on: January 31, 2013, 10:59:13 AM »
 

Strolls away whistling "always look on the bright side of life"........."
 Just to lighten things up a bit, Rowan do I see another Monty Python fan in the crowd?
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Re: Wingnuts releases for 2013 ??
« Reply #79 on: January 31, 2013, 11:23:21 AM »
Sorry, Dave. I was not intending to label individuals as doom and gloomers - but just clumsily summing up a lot of the (in my view, unnecessary) angst and concern that 's being expressed in the thread, so please don't be personally offended.

You're obviously a much more serious person than I am but I hold a different view on the issue which I felt needed expressing. I'm absolutely certain that there really is no need to be concerned about the health of the WNW balance sheet or to assume that it must follow a conventional and simple business paradigm. Let them worry about that, they know what they're doing, I'd say. For all we know, it's a massive tax dodge, designed to behave like "Springtime for Hitler" and its success is a complete embarrassment! (Joke)

I think we can agree  to hold different viewpoints on this, can't we? The only real difference between our "positions"is that I'm right, of course!

On a more serious note, I can say, with some certainty, that I have new customers every week who are arriving from other modelling genres - and not just aircraft either. This new blood is entirely down to Wingnuts and boy, are they enthusiastic! My product is difficult to buy (no website or retailers...and I don't keep things as up to date on the forum as I should) and "reassuringly expensive", so the fact that I'm seeing a good number of incomers to "our" corner of nicheland must mean that the overall influx of new WWI modellers is much more significant than I am seeing.

By the way, some of the annoying, spoiled brat, back row who are pleading and screaming for P-40's  a la Wingnuts, are also buying their WWI kits.  WNW are a phenomenon and sooner or later numbers of the die-hard I'll-never-build-a-biplane will cave in, just to see what the fuss is about. And once they're in.......

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Re: Wingnuts releases for 2013 ??
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Re: Wingnuts releases for 2013 ??
« Reply #81 on: January 31, 2013, 01:41:58 PM »
Hey Bo, as a committed Christian, I find your last post absolutely HILARIOUS! ;D  You have amusingly demonstrated how seriously we WNW fans take these impending releases. :D  It's good not to take OURSELVES too seriously though.  Thanks for the injecting some fine humor!

As for me, I had modeled WWI subjects as a kid in the 60s, but it was noticing WNW reviews in modeling magazines that brought me back to the hobby.  Once in again, as Rowan has noted, I beat a path to his "shop" and, after drooling all over everything, have been buying almost all of it in 1/32.  Great stuff!  I plan on staying optimistic . . . it's much more fun!  Besides, even if WNW never released another new subject, I could still build Albies with Rowan's sheets for the rest of my mortal life, and be blissfully happy! ;D

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Re: Wingnuts releases for 2013 ??
« Reply #82 on: January 31, 2013, 02:43:40 PM »
I've persistantly stressed that WNW kits are THE state of the art for IM kits at this time. Not that some others do not make nice kits, but the total package WNW supplies is the best.
I think easy enough for WNW to work a few "classics" in with some new but less well-known machines.

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Re: Wingnuts releases for 2013 ??
« Reply #83 on: January 31, 2013, 05:32:06 PM »
I think it is rather obvious WNW see the Fokker DVII as their money-making-kits. At least that would explain why those kits kost USD79, but even the new Snipe is sold for the "old" price (USD69), despite their recent "we have to raise our prices" campaign.

If you take your time reading comments from end of November last year, there were an awful lot busy complaining - not about any lack of quality, but about a lack of BMW-motored Fokkers. Isn't that weird? Instead of simply being happy that all three manufacturers were represented at once, there were still complaints.

Some of our crowd seem to take this much too seriously. For myself, i have no interest regarding the Snipe; nevertheless i was very happy yesterday to see WNW having surprised me, once again. And even the BMW-fans might be happy now with "their" kit beeing announced.

And yes, i would absolutely favour a release of the DFW CV. I think the C and B-types are really underrepresented.

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Re: Wingnuts releases for 2013 ??
« Reply #84 on: January 31, 2013, 06:17:06 PM »
I would like to see more early war and perhaps pre- WWI aircraft.  Not being a historian my knowledge of these types is minimal, but the more fragile, open designs would make interesting models IMHO.

With WNW having released the Tripe, DVii (3x), DH2, Eindekker x2 and a combo set late last year, I was very surprised to see the Snipes so soon.

But then again, "no one expects......."

I wonder, what would be the "waffer thin mint" of WWI models? ;)

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« Reply #85 on: January 31, 2013, 09:17:40 PM »
I'm with you on this one Ian, early WW1 or even pre war machines would be great, these were the forerunners to the fighting machines and deserve to be preserved as a model, that is why I built my two scratch built models.

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Re: Wingnuts releases for 2013 ??
« Reply #86 on: January 31, 2013, 10:16:42 PM »


Arf!

Now that gave me a chuckle - surprisingly good resemblance as well - at least the hair was until I had a haircut a few months back, although thinking about it, there also seem to be about a hundred pounds of avoir du pois missing - and the beard, where's my beard gone?... so not such a good representation at all..... but I am mostly cheerful in the face of crucifixion. Mostly.

Altogether now:

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Re: Wingnuts releases for 2013 ??
« Reply #87 on: January 31, 2013, 11:02:24 PM »
 :) :)
No blasphemy intended - just fun.




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Re: Wingnuts releases for 2013 ??
« Reply #88 on: January 31, 2013, 11:11:14 PM »
... and all other manufacturers of aftermarket products....

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« Reply #89 on: January 31, 2013, 11:19:23 PM »
... and all other manufacturers of aftermarket products....

Why thank you, kind sir!

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